Ray Lewis on Owens

[ARMAGEDDON EAGLE]

I hate to let you know brother, but Terrell Owens loved the 49ers. Ever see him crying after he finally caught that winning TD pass in the playoffs after dropping about 4 of them, and hugging Steve Mariucci. He openly said last year that he loved the 49ers organization and team, but he knew he was going to be traded/cut, so then he started with the dissention. He knows nothing about the eagles organization, so you don't know if he'll like it or not..

Listen, that love affair ended when the 49ers tried to jam TO's contract!

Let's see what he likes after he's getting doubled constantly and they're not throwing his way 12 times a game.

He'll perform like a professional; as usual!

Worry abot your Qb situation; especially during an Eagles' blitz package!

 

[ARMAGEDDON EAGLE]

Lewis/Smith>Weaver
Hearst/Barlow<Westbrook/Buckhalter
Garcia<McNabb



Mitchell>Stokes (who was a Patriot last year BTW).
Pinkston<Streets (hopefully he doesn't start)

They are better at one position than us, #2 WR.

And in case you have been in a cave for the past 6 months, Thrash is a Commander.

Couldn't have said it better AJM

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I'm not worried about our QBs. I'd be worried about your RBs. Remember what Roy did to Emmitt last year? That's Westbrook this year.

 

[AJM1613]

I'm not worried about our QBs. I'd be worried about your RBs. Remember what Roy did to Emmitt last year? That's Westbrook this year.

Remember what Westbrook did to Roy last year? Or Ritchie? Or Buckhalter?






Sorry you set me up for that one...

 

[Tio]

Remember what Westbrook did to Roy last year? Or Ritchie? Or Buckhalter?






Sorry you set me up for that one...

Why dont you answer your miss on Garcia?

 

[AJM1613]

Why dont you answer your miss on Garcia?

What are you talking about?

 

[Tio]

You critiziced my view, and I assumed it was about Garcia=Mcnabb. Look at this...

Jeff Garcia just doesn't get any respect.

2000 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 561 355 63.3 4278 7.63 69 31 10 24/155 59 9 97.6
2001 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 504 316 62.7 3538 7.02 61 32 12 26/114 40 10 94.8
2002 San Francisco 49ers 16 16 528 328 62.1 3344 6.33 76 21 10 17/93 31 7
85.6


McNabb has never put up such numbers. Take a look at that 2000 season! I can see a unhappy T.O in the very near future.

 

[AJM1613]

You critiziced my view, and I assumed it was about Garcia=Mcnabb. Look at this...

Well, Garcia had Owens, McNabb had Thrash.

Look at Garcia's numbers from last season.

Last season Garcia was:

225/392 (57.4) for 2704, 18 TD and 13 interceptions (80.1).

McNabb was:

275/478 (57.5) for 3216, 16 TD and 11 interceptions (80.4).

Over the last 10 games:

184/288 (63.9) for 2362, 14 TD and 5 interceptions (98.5).

This topic has been beaten death, that is the reason why I didn't respond.

 

[Tio]

Well, Garcia had Owens, McNabb had Thrash.

Look at Garcia's numbers from last season.

Last season Garcia was:

225/392 (57.4) for 2704, 18 TD and 13 interceptions (80.1).

McNabb was:

275/478 (57.5) for 3216, 16 TD and 11 interceptions (80.4).

Over the last 10 games:

184/288 (63.9) for 2362, 14 TD and 5 interceptions (98.5).

This topic has been beaten death, that is the reason why I didn't respond.

Id take garcia over the last few years over what ever mcnabb is capable of...

 

[AJM1613]

Id take garcia over the last few years over what ever mcnabb is capable of...because I am a Cowboy fan

Personally, I am the other way around.

 

[Tio]

Personally, I am the other way around.

Uhh, i hate the 40 whiners, because I am a cowboy fan.

 

[Henry]

Blind homer? What the hell are you talking about?

Barlow has a career ypc of 4.7, Westbrook has a career ypc of 4.9.

Buckhalter has a career 4.4 ypc, same as Hearst.

Westbrook had a 5.2 ypc last season, Barlow had a 5.1.

Westbrook had 37 receptions for 332 yards (9.1 ypc).
Barlow had 35 receptions for 307 yards (8.8)

Sorry, i just have to chime in here real quick because I see this nonsense about Westbrook all the time from Eagle fans. You DO realize that a situational back is going to average more ypc than an feature back, don't you? For his career Westbrook has only carried the ball 10 times or more in four games, and never more than 15 in a game EVER. He's never had a 100 rushing-yard game. He's only broken 100 total yards three times. You simply cannot claim he's better than any back who's proven capable of carrying the load as an every down player, who's proven he can do the job week-in and week-out.

That gaudy ypc average is nice and all, but it proves nothing in terms of how well he can shoulder the load. Tell me how Westbrook is when he averages more than 8 carries a game.

 

[AJM1613]

Sorry, i just have to chime in here real quick because I see this nonsense about Westbrook all the time from Eagle fans. You DO realize that a situational back is going to average more ypc than an feature back, don't you? For his career Westbrook has only carried the ball 10 times or more in four games, and never more than 15 in a game EVER. He's never had a 100 rushing-yard game. He's only broken 100 total yards three times. You simply cannot claim he's better than any back who's proven capable of carrying the load as an every down player, who's proven he can do the job week-in and week-out.

That gaudy ypc average is nice and all, but it proves nothing in terms of how well he can shoulder the load. Tell me how Westbrook is when he averages more than 8 carries a game.

I will, but right now Westbrook's "situational" rushing stats are all we have to go by to judge him, because he was never given the chance. This is the first time in his career that he will become the feature back. He isn't proven but does that mean he isn't as good as all of the "proven" halfbacks in the NFL? Is Troy Hambrick better than him because he is "proven"? Why didn't we pick him up? Is James Stewart better because he is "proven"? Why havn't we picked him up? Is Eddie George better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Emmitt Smith better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Trung Canidate better because he is "proven"? That is a terrible way to judge a back.

I have seen him play a lot last season and some of his moves are amazing, Barry Sanders like, but no he isn't "proven". Hopefully we will have more to go by come October.

Uhh, i hate the 40 whiners, because I am a cowboy fan.

But you also hate the Eagles, probably more than the 49ers and do not fully understand what McNabb is capable of.

 

[Tio]

But you also hate the Eagles, probably more than the 49ers and do not fully understand what McNabb is capable of.

And you love the eagles, and overate mcnabb.

 

[AJM1613]

And you love the eagles, and overate mcnabb.

I overate McNabb if you judge QBs by stats, but if you judge them by what they do for a team, then I don't.

 

[ARMAGEDDON EAGLE]

And you love the eagles

RW DIRTY-ONE,

You are a quick one when it comes to catching On! Hell yeah we Love the

Eagles, we always have ... during those dark days (at least for us) when the

C'boys dominated the NFC East, the NFC, and the Super Bowl, when the

C'boys had some big Hall o fame players, destroying everything that put On a

football uniform, ...we Loved the Eagles! True, we're not quite there yet,

we're just dominating the NFC East! But we're working on it, and we're

chipping away, and guess what ... you're quick ...

WE STILL LOVE THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES!

 

[Henry]

I will, but right now Westbrook's "situational" rushing stats are all we have to go by to judge him, because he was never given the chance. This is the first time in his career that he will become the feature back. He isn't proven but does that mean he isn't as good as all of the "proven" halfbacks in the NFL? Is Troy Hambrick better than him because he is "proven"? Why didn't we pick him up? Is James Stewart better because he is "proven"? Why havn't we picked him up? Is Eddie George better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Emmitt Smith better (now) because he is "proven"? Is Trung Canidate better because he is "proven"? That is a terrible way to judge a back.

It isn't any more terrible than looking at yards per carry. Claiming Westbrook's 41 yards on 8 carries a game proves he's better than even an average 1000 yard back is ludicrous. If that and few barry-esque moves are all you have to go by to judge him then you can't judge him yet.

BTW, Trung Canidate has proven nothing. He rushed for 600 yards with us, his career year.

 

[Tio]

RW DIRTY-ONE,

You are a quick one when it comes to catching On! Hell yeah we Love the

Eagles, we always have ... during those dark days (at least for us) when the

C'boys dominated the NFC East, the NFC, and the Super Bowl, when the

C'boys had some big Hall o fame players, destroying everything that put On a

football uniform, ...we Loved the Eagles! True, we're not quite there yet,

we're just dominating the NFC East! But we're working on it, and we're

chipping away, and guess what ... you're quick ...

WE STILL LOVE THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES!

You just insulted AJM...

 

[AJM1613]

It isn't any more terrible than looking at yards per carry. Claiming Westbrook's 41 yards on 8 carries a game proves he's better than even an average 1000 yard back is ludicrous. If that and few barry-esque moves are all you have to go by to judge him then you can't judge him yet.

BTW, Trung Canidate has proven nothing. He rushed for 600 yards with us, his career year.

Westbrook had 970 offensive yards last season and 12 offensive touchdowns (155 touches). He also had 793 special teams yards and 2 special teams touchdowns (43 touches).

He did all this on 198 touches (1763 yards).

Because that is all we can judge him on, I think it is fair to think that he is better than an "average 1000 yard back", especially the way he moves.

I credit him for turning our season around last year against the Giants and winning the Commander and Buffalo game (in Buffalo he ran for a 62 yard TD in the fourth and in Washington he ran for a 19 yard TD in the fourth).

Players also have to be judged on what they do for the team.

 

[ARMAGEDDON EAGLE]

You just insulted AJM...

Are you losing your mind over this C'boy QB matter? Have you been hanging out with the wrong crowd?