Re-grading Gosselin

[dbair1967]

I thought I had made it clear in the other thread about why I didnt like Gosselin's grades for the draft, but unfortunately 2 or 3 people took that thread and ran with "people cry and are mad because he didnt give Dallas an A!!!!!!" It was pointed out several times that clearly wasnt the case.

With that in mind I decided to go back and use Gosselin's top-100, and compare that to how teams selected those players in the first 3 rounds (basically 100 picks). Now this obviously doesnt take into account the 4th- 7th rounders because I dont have access to his rankings there. Gosselin's top-100 is NOT his opinion, rather its some sort of ranking based on what he finds out from his NFL team sources. Now he doesnt tell us how many teams he gets info from, but for arguments sake we will assume his ranking is a good read on how the prospects were rated league-wide.

With that in mind:

Arizona. He graded them a C today. They had 3 picks in the top-100, all 3 were in Gosselins top-100. All 3 picks would represent "value" because they were drafted lower than where they were rated. They should have received a higher grade.

Atlanta. Graded a C. Had 3 picks in the top-100, only 2 of the 3 were in Gosselins top-100. Sean Weatherspon was overdrafted. They did draft 1 player one day two rated in the top-100. Grade probably should have been lower.

Baltimore. Graded a B. They had 3 picks in top 100, all 3 were rated in the top-100. A 4th was a top 100 pick drafted on day two. Kindle and Cody both represented some value, but they reached badly for Ed Dixon. Grade probably should have been a C.

Buffalo. Graded a B. Had 3 picks in top-100, all three picks were rated top-100, but all 3 were overdrafted based on his ratings. Grade should have been lower.

Carolina. Graded C. Had 3 picks in top-100, only two picks were rated in top-100. A 2nd day pick did have a top-100 grade. Grade probably accurate.

Chicago. Graded C. Had 1 pick in top 100 the guy they picked was top 100 rated but was overdrafted. A 2nd day pick was top-100 rated. Grade probably should have been lower but not by much.

Cincinnati. Graded C. 4 picks in top 100, all 4 rated in top-100. 1 was a substantial reach. Grade probably accurate.

Cleveland. Graded B. Had 5 picks in top 100, 4 picks rated in top-100. 3 of those 4 were overdrafted, two substantially overdrafted. Another pick wasnt rated top-100. Should have been graded lower.

Dallas. Graded C. Had two picks in top 100, both picks represented substantial value when looking at where they were drafted vs where they were rated. Probably should have been graded higher.

Denver. Graded A. 5 picks in top 100, only 4 were rated top-100. Tebow was massively overdrafted, and is even worse if you consider they gave up picks to move up to get him. Beadles was overdrafted, another pick wasnt even top-100 rated. Grade should have been much lower.

Detroit. Graded B. Had 3 in top-100, all three rated top-100. Reached for 1. Grade probably accurate, could have possibly been slightly lower.

Green Bay. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, 2 rated in top-100. A 2nd day pick was rated top-100. Grade probably accurate.

Houston. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, two rated top-100. Grade probably accurate.

Indianapolis. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, only 1 was rated as top-100 pick. Grade should have been lower.

Jacksonville. Graded D. 2 picks in top-100, both in top 100 but both overdrafted quite a bit. Grade accurate.

Kansas City. Graded A+. Had 5 picks in top 100, all 5 were top-100 rated. 2 were overdrafted. They deserve a high grade, but not an A+

Miami. Graded B. Had 3 picks in top-100, only two rated top-100. Grade should have been lower.

Minnesota. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, all 3 rated top-100. Reached for 2 of 3. Grade probably accurate.

New England. Graded A. 5 picks in top-100, all 5 rated top-100. A 2nd day pick was rated top-100. Reached quite a bit for 2 of the 5. Grade probably accurate.

New Orleans. Graded A. 3 picks in top-100, all 3 rated top-100. A 2nd day pick was a top-100 rated player. Grade accurate.

NY Giants. Graded B. 3 picks top-100, all 3 rated top-100. 2 of the 3 were slightly overdrafted. Grade probably should have been a C.

NY Jets. Graded C. 2 picks in top-100, both rated top 100. A 2nd day pick was top-100 rated. Grade probably too low.

Oakland. Graded B. 3 picks top-100, 2 of them rated top-100. A 2nd day pick was rated top-100. 1 of the 2 were overdrafted, Grade possibly could be C instead of B.

Philadelphia. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, 2 of the 3 top-100 rated. A 2nd day pick was a top-100 rated player. Grade probably accurate.

Pittsburgh. Graded C. 3 picks in top-100, all 3 top-100 rated. A 2nd day player was a top 100. Reached badly for 1 pick. Grade probably accurate.

St Louis. Graded C. Had 4 picks top-100, all 4 rated top-100. No real reaches. Grade probably accurate or could have been B

San Diego. Graded C. 2 picks in top-100, 1 is top-100 rated. Grade accurate or could have been lower.

San Fran. Graded B. Had 4 top-100 picks, all 4 top 100 rated. 1 overdrafted. Grade prob accurate.

Seattle. Graded A. Had 3 top-100 picks, all 3 top-100 rated. No reaches. Grade accurate.

Tampa Bay. Graded C. 4 top 100 picks, all 4 top-100 rated. 1 was significant reach. 1 other overdrafted. Grade probably accurate.

Tennessee. Graded C. 3 top 100 picks, 2 top-100 rated. Grade probably accurate.

Washington. Graded D. 1 pick in top 100, 1 rated top 100 (slight reach). 1 second day pick was top-100 rated. Grade probably should have been C.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Are you just taking into account the picks that a team had in the top 100 or the moves that a team made on draft day?

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Good read dbair.

 

[dbair1967]

Are you just taking into account the picks that a team had in the top 100 or the moves that a team made on draft day?

With that in mind I decided to go back and use Gosselin's top-100, and compare that to how teams selected those players in the first 3 rounds (basically 100 picks

 

[bbgun]

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The obsession continues.

 

[Hostile]

I got his e-mail address if you'd like to send him that. he does respond.

That was a clinic.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

With that in mind I decided to go back and use Gosselin's top-100, and compare that to how teams selected those players in the first 3 rounds (basically 100 picks

So you didn't factor in trades ?

 

[dbair1967]

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The obsession continues.

Do you agree or disagree?

You were one of those I was referring to, who apparently didnt get the thread to begin with.

 

[dbair1967]

So you didn't factor in trades ?

Top 100 list. Compared it to where those guys were actually selected. Thats all that matters for the most part, except in a case like Tebow (which I noted) where not only was the player vastly overdrafted, but the team gave away picks to get there. Gosselin should have penalized them for that but didnt.

Some teams did trade up for a player where they represented alot of value, we did that twice (both our top-100 picks). We (and others that did it) probably should have got credit for that, but didnt.

 

[RS12]

That was alot of work for you to find that you actually agreed with 14 of his grades almost 50% on something that is totally subjective at this point anyway. Hopefully he'll email you back and explain his criteria. Maybe he just has a thing for Napoleon up in Dever.

 

[Vintage]

So... the real question for dbair is...

How would you grade Gosselin's grading?



Good stuff though, in all seriousness.

 

[dbair1967]

That was alot of work for you to find that you actually agreed with 14 of his grades almost 50% on something that is totally subjective at this point anyway. Hopefully he'll email you back and explain his criteria. Maybe he just has a thing for Napoleon up in Dever.

But he claims they arnt subjective, and that he has a formula for it. What I have said (both here and to him via emails in the past) is that he doesnt seem to be using any formula and is instead giving his opinion.

I didnt even add it up, but if I disagreed with over half that seems to prove what I was saying all along.

 

[bbgun]

Do you agree or disagree?

Beats me. I don't know enough about this to tell Goose his business. Neither do you.

You were one of those I was referring to, who apparently didnt get the thread to begin with.

You've taken the most trivial thing imaginable (draft grades) and turned it into a colossal waste of time out of spite. In fact, you're so obsessed that you felt compelled to start a brand new thread. Was something wrong with the old one? You're pissed about the grade, not the methodology. Everything else is disingenuous spin.

Goose, if you have a heart, please award us an "A" next year so that the crybabies will be placated. Thanks.

 

[AdamJT13]

Gosselin's grades are NOT subjective. All he does is average out the rating of the players you select. It doesn't matter which picks you have, which is the problem with his grades. If you have more picks in the first few rounds, you'll almost certainly get a good grade because your average player drafted will be ranked higher. If you don't have any picks in the first few rounds or have a plethora of sixth- and seventh-round picks, you almost certainly won't get a good grade, because your average player drafted will be ranked lower. It really is that simple.

 

[jobberone]

Nice read David. Thanks for posting.

 

[dbair1967]

Beats me. I don't know enough about this to tell Goose his business. Neither do you.



You've taken the most trivial thing imaginable (draft grades) and turned it into a colossal waste of time out of spite. In fact, you're so obsessed that you felt compelled to start a brand new thread. Was something wrong with the old one? You're pissed about the grade, not the methodology. Everything else is disingenuous spin.

Goose, if you have a heart, please award us an "A" next year so that the crybabies will be placated. Thanks.

Dude, your response is pretty pathetic

First off if its a waste of your time, dont read the damn thread

And if you still dont get the gist of the thread, there's just no help for you...How many times does something have to be stated before you get it? Your either trying to be a *******, or the elavator isnt getting to the top floor.

 

[watertown]

I thought I had made it clear in the other thread about why I didnt like Gosselin's grades for the draft, but unfortunately 2 or 3 people took that thread and ran with "people cry and are mad because he didnt give Dallas an A!!!!!!" It was pointed out several times that clearly wasnt the case.

With that in mind I decided to go back and use Gosselin's top-100, and compare that to how teams selected those players in the first 3 rounds (basically 100 picks). Now this obviously doesnt take into account the 4th- 7th rounders because I dont have access to his rankings there. Gosselin's top-100 is NOT his opinion, rather its some sort of ranking based on what he finds out from his NFL team sources. Now he doesnt tell us how many teams he gets info from, but for arguments sake we will assume his ranking is a good read on how the prospects were rated league-wide.

With that in mind:

Arizona. He graded them a C today. They had 3 picks in the top-100, all 3 were in Gosselins top-100. All 3 picks would represent "value" because they were drafted lower than where they were rated. They should have received a higher grade.

Atlanta. Graded a C. Had 3 picks in the top-100, only 2 of the 3 were in Gosselins top-100. Sean Weatherspon was overdrafted. They did draft 1 player one day two rated in the top-100. Grade probably should have been lower.

Baltimore. Graded a B. They had 3 picks in top 100, all 3 were rated in the top-100. A 4th was a top 100 pick drafted on day two. Kindle and Cody both represented some value, but they reached badly for Ed Dixon. Grade probably should have been a C.

Buffalo. Graded a B. Had 3 picks in top-100, all three picks were rated top-100, but all 3 were overdrafted based on his ratings. Grade should have been lower.

Carolina. Graded C. Had 3 picks in top-100, only two picks were rated in top-100. A 2nd day pick did have a top-100 grade. Grade probably accurate.

Chicago. Graded C. Had 1 pick in top 100 the guy they picked was top 100 rated but was overdrafted. A 2nd day pick was top-100 rated. Grade probably should have been lower but not by much.

Cincinnati. Graded C. 4 picks in top 100, all 4 rated in top-100. 1 was a substantial reach. Grade probably accurate.

Cleveland. Graded B. Had 5 picks in top 100, 4 picks rated in top-100. 3 of those 4 were overdrafted, two substantially overdrafted. Another pick wasnt rated top-100. Should have been graded lower.

Dallas. Graded C. Had two picks in top 100, both picks represented substantial value when looking at where they were drafted vs where they were rated. Probably should have been graded higher.

Denver. Graded A. 5 picks in top 100, only 4 were rated top-100. Tebow was massively overdrafted, and is even worse if you consider they gave up picks to move up to get him. Beadles was overdrafted, another pick wasnt even top-100 rated. Grade should have been much lower.

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The Denver grade had me giggling

 

[bbgun]

Dude, your response is pretty pathetic

I'm not the one who wasted a good chunk of my Sunday re-grading(!) someone's subjective draft grades. There is no "right or wrong" answer, here. All that matters is that the grade makes sense to Goose.

First off if its a waste of your time, dont read the damn thread

If you don't want criticism (constructive or otherwise), then don't start them.

And if you still dont get the gist of the thread, there's just no help for you...How many times does something have to be stated before you get it? Your either trying to be a *******, or the elavator isnt getting to the top floor.

In a poll you conducted yesterday, 79 members gave us an "A." Assuming you think that grade is too high, have you badgered those people or demanded that they defend themselves? I'm guessing that's a big fat "no." Please extend Goose the same courtesy.

 

[Staggerlee]

Hey Dbair please email that to him, i wonder what he will say in response.

 

[Wimbo]

What does "overdrafted" mean? I haven't seen that since looking at a checking account statement when I was in college.