Re: Larry Allen....

[Idgit]

Am I missing a tactical reason why we'd leave him hanging?

If we've already signed his replacement, after everything he did for the team, you'd think we'd either be talking restructure or would release him so he can catch on elsewhere while there are still other options.

Any ideas?

 

[fortdick]

Am I missing a tactical reason why we'd leave him hanging?

If we've already signed his replacement, after everything he did for the team, you'd think we'd either be talking restructure or would release him so he can catch on elsewhere while there are still other options.

Any ideas?

From what I have read, they might do the same with him as Key. Let him test FA, find out what he is worth, then give Jerruh a chance to match or beat it. In the long run, it might be the surest way of getting him to restructure.

 

[jksmith269]

Am I missing a tactical reason why we'd leave him hanging?

If we've already signed his replacement, after everything he did for the team, you'd think we'd either be talking restructure or would release him so he can catch on elsewhere while there are still other options.

Any ideas?

And how do you know we aren't talking to him about his contract.

 

[Jimz31]

I personally don't think he's going anywhere...and I hope he doesn't go anywhere.

Sure, he may not be as good as he used to be, but what he used to be was AWESOME. He's still better than alot of other o-linemen in the league.

I think that alot of people keep remembering what he used to be like and keep judging him by thta standard instead of a standard against all o-linemen.

Hopefully, he'll be in even better shape this year and back to his mauling ways. I think he let himself go and it hurt him the last couple of years, except that his conditioning was better last year.

 

[TonyS]

IMHO, we as an organization absolutely STINK at re-signing people we had to let go. I don't know if they need Deepak Chopra or whoever to come in and teach them some communication skills or if the agents are such pricks that they cannot be dealt with reasonably, but we're not real good at coming to guys toward the end of their contracts and getting them to re-up for less money.

We usually let them go and they ride off into the sunset. I'm hoping Key will be the exception to this rule as we can use his leadership and clutch catches.

 

[Future]

did i miss something???? allen is still a cowboy right??

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I personally don't think he's going anywhere...and I hope he doesn't go anywhere.

Sure, he may not be as good as he used to be, but what he used to be was AWESOME. He's still better than alot of other o-linemen in the league.

I think that alot of people keep remembering what he used to be like and keep judging him by thta standard instead of a standard against all o-linemen.

Hopefully, he'll be in even better shape this year and back to his mauling ways. I think he let himself go and it hurt him the last couple of years, except that his conditioning was better last year.

I wouldnt mind him back at all. However, with a 15Mil contract given to Kosier, it could very well mean the end for LA.

Though I agree that his play is often judged against his former self, he no longer is quick enough to get out into space, and he isn't often bursting into the 2nd level like he used to.

 

[Idgit]

And how do you know we aren't talking to him about his contract.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50811

I don't know, but it was the comments from Galloway in this thread re: Allen that got me thinking about it.

If we were planning to release him, my guess would be that, out of respect, we'd have done it by now. If we're not expecting to release him, why aren't we talking about a new contract? If we are talking about a new contract, why would LA's agent indicate otherwise? Is a deal done already, and Larry's agent is providing some media cover?

Discuss.

 

[Idgit]

I wouldnt mind him back at all. However, with a 15Mil contract given to Kosier, it could very well mean the end for LA.

Though I agree that his play is often judged against his former self, he no longer is quick enough to get out into space, and he isn't often bursting into the 2nd level like he used to.

The point is, it's not like Jerry Jones to just leave him hanging. Whatever you're going to do, get the deal done or release him so that he can still sign elsewhere. It makes no sense for anybody to leave things hanging right now.

Edit: I'm not complaining about what the Cowboys are doing, I'm just saying it doesn't really add up. This whole offseason is a bit whack. It's like we've got agreements with players lined up and aren't announcing them. I *can't* see that Jerry and Bill would leave town, in the middle of the first week of FA, with a future HoF's contract hanging in the balance, or with the idea that we'll just cut him a few weeks down the road. Anyone with me?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Am I missing a tactical reason why we'd leave him hanging?

If we've already signed his replacement, after everything he did for the team, you'd think we'd either be talking restructure or would release him so he can catch on elsewhere while there are still other options.

Any ideas?

Maybe LA has indicated that he is willing to restructure for the good of the team and stay....:starspin

 

[Idgit]

Maybe LA has indicated that he is willing to restructure for the good of the team and stay....:starspin

That's kind of what I'm hoping for, but then why would there be no negotiations ongoing? Unless our team is busy elsewhere right now, maybe?

 

[SouthernStar]

Am I missing a tactical reason why we'd leave him hanging?

If we've already signed his replacement, after everything he did for the team, you'd think we'd either be talking restructure or would release him so he can catch on elsewhere while there are still other options.

Any ideas?

Several, probably.

1. It's always best to hang on as long as you can to see what "shakes out" in the market.

2. If we'd really like to have him back (even as a backup), then it's best to let all the other teams spend their money before we release him. There will be no teams interested in him and so he comes crawling back and is willing to take backup money. (that's all he's worth) If he balks, let him retire or go somewhere else.

3. Where do you get the idea that we "owe" him something? This is business, pure and simple.
He's been VERY WELL compensated over the years by the Cowboys. Very well, indeed. I'm sure that he is pretty well "set for life" financially.
He wanted to "hold us up" for more money just a couple of years ago, and we let him go out and "test the waters" back then. I think he found out that he wasn't worth as much as he thought he was.
Didn't we re-do his deal anyway and get him some more money, just not the exhorbant amnount he was asking for? What has he given us in return? One fairly decent year, and one blah-blah year.

Better yet, what does he have to give us now? He can't get outside and make the blocks. We're gonna need a good running game this year if we're going anywhere. I think his pass protection has fallen way off, as well. He might survive another year (as a starter) if he is surrounded by great players. I don't see us having great players. We'll need to make do with "adequate" ones and he isn't quite adequate anymore.....

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Allen will not be one the Cowboys next season, he simply does not fit with the rest of the OL. His lack of mobility is limiting what the team can do scheme-wise. I doubt that they try to reinstall the zone scheme that failed a few years ago (Allen was the main culprit in that) but we will see a scheme closer to what's won recent Super Bowls.

 

[Idgit]

Several, probably.

1. It's always best to hang on as long as you can to see what "shakes out" in the market.

2. If we'd really like to have him back (even as a backup), then it's best to let all the other teams spend their money before we release him. There will be no teams interested in him and so he comes crawling back and is willing to take backup money. (that's all he's worth) If he balks, let him retire or go somewhere else.

3. Where do you get the idea that we "owe" him something? This is business, pure and simple.
He's been VERY WELL compensated over the years by the Cowboys. Very well, indeed. I'm sure that he is pretty well "set for life" financially.
He wanted to "hold us up" for more money just a couple of years ago, and we let him go out and "test the waters" back then. I think he found out that he wasn't worth as much as he thought he was.
Didn't we re-do his deal anyway and get him some more money, just not the exhorbant amnount he was asking for? What has he given us in return? One fairly decent year, and one blah-blah year.

Better yet, what does he have to give us now? He can't get outside and make the blocks. We're gonna need a good running game this year if we're going anywhere. I think his pass protection has fallen way off, as well. He might survive another year (as a starter) if he is surrounded by great players. I don't see us having great players. We'll need to make do with "adequate" ones and he isn't quite adequate anymore.....

See, if we want him to sign with us at a lower rate, the right way to go about it is not to alienate him by draining the market for FA guards and then asking would he be willing to take a pay cut.

I do feel like we owe all our HoF players respect. Larry refused to renegotiate a few years ago in order to avoid going to Detroit, but, mean, who wouldn't avoid Detroit if they could? The last few years, he's been a solid player.

That's not really the point, though. The point is that Jerry's very loyal to his stars, and I don't think he'd hang him up just to get a better rate on the refinance. Hence, wondering if there's something else up is all.