Re-Visiting The 2016 Draft Class- Five Years Later

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Lol. u sound even more ridiculous and naive now than you did then. You get a starting NFL QB in round 4, an average starting CB and one of the top RB for several years. Its an A grade draft dude even if Zeke is about done and Dak only ends up being a top 12-15 QB, which is his floor. Stop making urself look so ridiculous. If those guys flame out it was still a B- draft worst case.
If those guys all flame out with zero super bowls to show for it, it's no better than the 2013 or 2009 draft classes.

If they win even just 1 Super Bowl with this core it instantly vaults back up. Especially if said 2016 draft class players were major reasons they won said Super Bowl.

Today's game was won by the 2014, 2015, 2020 and 2021 draft classes.

2018 is suddenly looking really awful as well. 2017 is down to one last mohican (Lewis). Not good.
 

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I was a solid Spurs fan growing up and didn't follow football too ardently until about Romo's second start in the NFL. I was a Cowboys fan but I always expected them to lose and felt a bit cheated that I'd missed out on the golden era by half a generation. However, I was used to the Spurs being a consistent NBA title contender, so I had that going for me. Due to the NBA lockout in 2011 that cost the NBA about 2-3 months of the season, I became a diehard NFL fan starting in 2011, which was 11th grade for me. I stopped watching basketball after 2016 when my favorite NBA player of all time retired and things got grim and really stupid in the NBA. I hate the NBA these days and haven't watched it at all since around the 2017 playoffs. I still play for fun, though.

So yeah, I wasn't really an avid fan in the dark ages between Aikman and Romo. I was a diehard basketball loving little kid. Romo really got me into the sport.

Right.....so all you know from the Dallas Cowboys is mild success with the occasional incredible performance. Go back and look at the post-Jimmy drafts leading up to Coach Tuna taking over. Those are F drafts. The 16 draft was top 10 of the decade for all teams. We are enjoying a 9-4 season with a strong chance to give teams major problems in the playoffs....because of that F draft.
 

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Lamb has been a disappointment. Granted, I wouldn't have taken the BPA there who was Justin Jefferson; I can't deny that one. I wouldn't have taken Chaisson, either. I would have either traded down and/or selected Xavier McKinney, who I believe is a stud strong safety. McKinney/Diggs would have been an awesome first two picks. Granted, I wanted someone like Kinlaw in the first, but he didn't fall to us.

I also definitely would have taken Juan Thornhill over Trysten Hill in 2019. Thornhill has come on strong recently for KC.
Lamb a disappointment?
You are losing credibility with that bizarre take.
 

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Right.....so all you know from the Dallas Cowboys is mild success with the occasional incredible performance. Go back and look at the post-Jimmy drafts leading up to Coach Tuna taking over. Those are F drafts. The 16 draft was top 10 of the decade for all teams. We are enjoying a 9-4 season with a strong chance to give teams major problems in the playoffs....because of that F draft.
Nah.

We're doing that because (a) our division stinks and (b) we hit the jackpot and drafted the best and most talented player on either side of the ball in the 2021 NFL Draft. And 2020 gave us a superstar corner, a solid if not slightly overdrafted receiver and a stud DT who just played his first game at an all pro level. But really because of that guy in 2021 and that corner in 2020.. with a little help from the first two rounds of 2014 and that second round guy from 2015 everyone has loved to hate over the years
 

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On the old DallasCowboys . com forum, I made a thread that reached over 180 pages in the Spring of 2016 giving the Cowboys a grade of F- for their 2016 NFL Draft performance.

I was chastised for the grade at the time by some, and applauded and commended by others. But by the end of the ensuing regular season, I was crucified for it and practically every single user on those forums made me out to be some sort of idiot by making that thread. My thread "Solid F- draft" became the brunt of jokes on the DC .com forum for a nice long while.

But, as the tried-and-true saying always goes... You have to wait 5 full years in order to fully judge a draft class. You can't judge it one way or the other after one, two, or even three years.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-co...boys-draft-picks-analysis-for-every-selection

Round 1, pick No. 4: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State - my grade was a solid F or 55% out of 100% because Ramsey, Jack and trade back were all top possibilities, DeForest Buckner and many other more impactful long-term players were on the board, and even in 2016 it was well known that you don't take a RB that high... plenty to be had in the mid rounds to replace Murray and McFadden

Round 2, pick No. 34:
Jaylon Smith, OLB, Notre Dame - my grade was an F----- or 1% out of 100% because you don't waste such a high pick on a player who will for sure miss one season, maybe more, maybe never come back, and if he does he will likely have a short and low-impact career due to the severe injury suffered

Round 3, pick No. 67: Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska - my grade was a D+ or 68% out of 100% because though it was a position of need, there were better players on the board at the time and Collins hadn't shown that he was better than a JAG in college at Nebraska. The comments about him were not good... best case scenario he will be "clay" for Coach Rod Marinelli to "work with" at the time

Round 4, pick No. 101: Charles Tapper, DE, Oklahoma - my grade was an F--- or 30% out of 100% because despite the production in college and athletic traits, he had a known spine condition that would shorten his career. Though he might have been one of the better immediate pass rushers available so late in the draft, he was another guy like Smith who was going to be certain to miss his rookie year. You have to draft for the now in today's NFL, especially with the higher draft choices

Round 4, pick No. 135: Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State - my grade was a C- or a 70% out of 100% because though obviously the Cowboys needed more competition at quarterback due to the Romo injury risk, Prescott was looking like a low-rent Teddy Bridgewater or Tyrod Taylor and at best could be a bus driver who had a lot to learn before becoming a capable NFL quarterback. Not an accurate pocket passer or much pocket presence, but also not a dynamic athlete like Michael Vick or RGIII coming out of college. A developmental project QB after missing out on the top choices.

Round 6, pick No. 189: Anthony Brown, CB, Purdue - my grade was a C- or a 72% out of 100% because while he did get burnt a lot in college, his speed for his position was rare to be had in the late rounds, and I figured he could become a solid player on special teams in due time. Never would I have guessed he would actually have to be relied on at some point to start at cornerback, though Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne as the starters weren't exactly an impressive combination either

Round 6, pick No. 212: Kavon Frazier, S, Central Michigan - my grade was a D- or a 62% out of 100% because other, more gifted players were on the board even so late in the draft. I couldn't fathom he would even be able to make an impact on special teams. Obviously, he was drafted to learn from and potentially back up Barry Church, a similar low-athleticism UDFA from the past, but the sentiment at the time was we needed an actual athlete to play that position, not another slow plodding box safety who can't cover

Round 6, pick No. 216: Darius Jackson, RB, Eastern Michigan - my grade was a B or an 84% out of because although drafting a back in the late rounds is smart, there were a few other backs with somewhat more upside than Jackson to be had in the 6th round. Still, drafting a back here is smart, but you had much better options in earlier rounds without squandering the #4 overall you had suffered so greatly all 2015 to acquire on a .....running back

Round 6, pick No. 217: Rico Gathers, TE, Baylor - my grade was a solid F----- or a 5% out of 100%. He's a basketball player who didn't make it in the NCAA and never had played football except flag and touch football for fun. He was never a football player. He was a big plodding body with size and weak hands and zero blocking ability. Terrible project. Yes, lots of wasted picks this late in the draft, but at least please draft someone who has a halfway decent chance to make the NFL.

Spring 2016 Final grade: F- or 49.7%. (Weighted: 43.9%.)


As of today, December 12th, 2021, roughly two and a half years later. I, (millennial_messiah of DC . com ex-forum) stand by these draft grades. I wouldn't mind it if none of them remained on the team, or a small handful of them at cheap salaries.

Definitely not the Ramsey-Henry-and so on draft I had in mind that spring.

What say y'all?
Do you have the power to make changes on this team? Do you have the power to control what this team does in the future? Just asking, because there's this little saying about things we can't change or control.
 

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Nah.

We're doing that because (a) our division stinks and (b) we hit the jackpot and drafted the best and most talented player on either side of the ball in the 2021 NFL Draft. And 2020 gave us a superstar corner, a solid if not slightly overdrafted receiver and a stud DT who just played his first game at an all pro level. But really because of that guy in 2021 and that corner in 2020

So by your logic, two drafts make a playoff team? That's not how the NFL works. Last year was expected to be a good one before 3/4 of the team ended up on IR. I love the players that came out of those draft classes but they would just be good players on a bad team if we were poor at drafting. I don't think you understand just how difficult it is to hit on a QB. There's a generational talent in North Florida stinking up the place right now. So many can't miss players have accomplished a fraction of what #4 has. No Dak, no playoffs for the last several years. No Zeke, no playoffs. No Brown and you either have a rookie or Jourdan Lewis manning the spot across from Diggs. You can hold onto your false narrative and play the revisionist game if it makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact that the 16 draft rebooted a fading franchise and we are still reaping those rewards. What happens if Dak isn't drafted and Tony retires without a replacement in place? You weren't around for Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Troy Hambrick, Felix Jones, Julius Jones, etc etc. It's easy to look back on a draft and say we could've done better here or there but to grade a unanimously declared successful draft a failure....dude....come back to reality.
 

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Well I went all the way back to the 2000 and 2005 drafts and could not believe we let 2 HOF qbs slip by us. I mean we had 5 chances to pick one of them in the 2000 draft and we just let him go to another team. That guy won 7 SB already and the other one won 1 SB. Their names are Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Hindsight is 20/20.
 

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So by your logic, two drafts make a playoff team? That's not how the NFL works. Last year was expected to be a good one before 3/4 of the team ended up on IR. I love the players that came out of those draft classes but they would just be good players on a bad team if we were poor at drafting. I don't think you understand just how difficult it is to hit on a QB. There's a generational talent in North Florida stinking up the place right now. So many can't miss players have accomplished a fraction of what #4 has. No Dak, no playoffs for the last several years. No Zeke, no playoffs. No Brown and you either have a rookie or Jourdan Lewis manning the spot across from Diggs. You can hold onto your false narrative and play the revisionist game if it makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact that the 16 draft rebooted a fading franchise and we are still reaping those rewards. What happens if Dak isn't drafted and Tony retires without a replacement in place? You weren't around for Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Troy Hambrick, Felix Jones, Julius Jones, etc etc. It's easy to look back on a draft and say we could've done better here or there but to grade a unanimously declared successful draft a failure....dude....come back to reality.
How many playoffs have they been together in 5-6 years? TWO??? How many playoff victories? ONE??!???!?!!? You've got to be kidding me. They didn't even have a winning season, much less make the playoffs, in the 2019 season where just about every NFL analyst declared that the Cowboys had "the best and deepest roster in the NFL"...
 

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Well I went all the way back to the 2000 and 2005 drafts and could not believe we let 2 HOF qbs slip by us. I mean we had 5 chances to pick one of them in the 2000 draft and we just let him go to another team. That guy won 7 SB already and the other one won 1 SB. Their names are Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. Hindsight is 20/20.
Brady is forgivable and excusable. The guy was a 6th round talent, a pocket stiff and pretty much was a tall dude with a handsome face but not really an athlete and not even a really strong arm. Nobody would have foreshadowed the kind of brainpower, IQ, and championship mettle that guy from Michigan had. He is the GOAT for a reason. Truly the greatest underdog story of all time sports history.

Rodgers on the other hand is NOT forgivable. It's not like the Cowboys had a franchise QB in-tow when Rotten Tuna chose to overdraft 3rd-round-talent Marcus Spears over a Justin Herbert-esque talent who could do it all in college (arm strength, quick throw motion, accurate, moxie, athleticism) that was Aaron Rodgers. The Cowboys were EXTREMELY quarterback-needy in 2005 as Drew Bledsoe was not only a ringless retread but also just about done for his career and everyone on the Cowboys knew it. Tony Romo was a nobody at that point, other than the fact he came in to hold the field goals and extra points. Nobody, not even the Cowboys knew what they had in Romo. They just knew that they had an old, broken, inconsistent Bledsoe that needed replacing and they drafted an Osa Odighizhuwa esque guy over a Justin Herbert esque guy... the most irresponsible decision in franchise history and one Jerry will never let down letting Smelly Rotten Big Tuna do that. I hate Parcells with a passion for it. Always will hate that forever New York Giant.
 

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How many playoffs have they been together in 5-6 years? TWO??? How many playoff victories? ONE??!???!?!!? You've got to be kidding me. They didn't even have a winning season, much less make the playoffs, in the 2019 season where just about every NFL analyst declared that the Cowboys had "the best and deepest roster in the NFL"...

No, I'm not kidding you my guy. Are you kidding me...doubling down on your insane take and acting like I'm the one who is in the wrong here? They have had talented rosters. The draft crew is really good here. Having Red coaching them on the other hand...not so much. Your argument is that the 16 draft was a dud. I've picked your argument to pieces. If you want to continue living in lala land, go for it man. Perspective is everything. Go back and look at those drafts that I cited to understand what a bad draft looks like. 3 major contributors, two that have been considered top 5-10 at their position group, one being a 4th round QB...6 years into their careers.....that's not a failure. It's a slam dunk.
 

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You weren't around for Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Ryan Leaf, Troy Hambrick, Felix Jones, Julius Jones, etc etc.
This is what these younger fans don’t get. These guys don’t grow on trees. We do not have a bottom feeder QB.
 

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No, I'm not kidding you my guy. Are you kidding me...doubling down on your insane take and acting like I'm the one who is in the wrong here? They have had talented rosters. The draft crew is really good here. Having Red coaching them on the other hand...not so much. Your argument is that the 16 draft was a dud. I've picked your argument to pieces. If you want to continue living in lala land, go for it man. Perspective is everything. Go back and look at those drafts that I cited to understand what a bad draft looks like. 3 major contributors, two that have been considered top 5-10 at their position group, one being a 4th round QB...6 years into their careers.....that's not a failure. It's a slam dunk.
Forget rings...... how many NFC championship game appearances?
 

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Brady is forgivable and excusable. The guy was a 6th round talent, a pocket stiff and pretty much was a tall dude with a handsome face but not really an athlete and not even a really strong arm. Nobody would have foreshadowed the kind of brainpower, IQ, and championship mettle that guy from Michigan had. He is the GOAT for a reason. Truly the greatest underdog story of all time sports history.

Rodgers on the other hand is NOT forgivable. It's not like the Cowboys had a franchise QB in-tow when Rotten Tuna chose to overdraft 3rd-round-talent Marcus Spears over a Justin Herbert-esque talent who could do it all in college (arm strength, quick throw motion, accurate, moxie, athleticism) that was Aaron Rodgers. The Cowboys were EXTREMELY quarterback-needy in 2005 as Drew Bledsoe was not only a ringless retread but also just about done for his career and everyone on the Cowboys knew it. Tony Romo was a nobody at that point, other than the fact he came in to hold the field goals and extra points. Nobody, not even the Cowboys knew what they had in Romo. They just knew that they had an old, broken, inconsistent Bledsoe that needed replacing and they drafted an Osa Odighizhuwa esque guy over a Justin Herbert esque guy... the most irresponsible decision in franchise history and one Jerry will never let down letting Smelly Rotten Big Tuna do that. I hate Parcells with a passion for it. Always will hate that forever New York Giant.
Rodgers’s first few games were terrible. Couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn if he was standing next to it. Jerry Rice, perhaps the greatest player of all time, couldn’t catch the ball if you handed it to him and people wanted him cut after 8 games. The thing is you never know. Like I have said before, hopefully Dak can pull out of this funk.
 

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They found 2 multiple time pro bowlers, 1 being their franchise QB in the 4th round. Despite what you grade the other picks that in itself elevates any grade because frankly that's hard to do. Jaylon was a big gamble and unfortunately his play fell off a cliff after his 1 pro bowl year. Anthony Brown has been a solid starter for this team. Collins started a lot of games and despite not getting a 2nd contract has also been a solid contributor for his next teams. Not sure what you're trying to convey, but it was still a good draft for the Cowboys.

I do get the debate around the Elliott pick and taking an RB in the top 10. I personally would have preferred Ramsey in round 1 and Henry in round 2 at the time. But was still ok with how it went at the time.
 
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