Read Option

[ABQCOWBOY]

When did Mike Vick and Vince Young run the read option?

They both ran read option offenses, practically from the time they came into the NFL. Each played in offenses that had elements of Read Option in them.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

R/O in my opinion will only last as long as QBs that run it. The only problem I see with it, QBs like Wilson and Kaepernick will adapt as they get older better than RG3. Though RG3 may need to evolve as passer much quicker now. As age and the hits add up you have to become more of a mobile pocket passer, please see Cunningham and McNabb when your legs go and you actually have to stand back there and read a defense pre-snap. QB is such a important position I do not see a GM drafting a QB to have him there 6-7 years so he can run R/O but totally suck at a real offense.

That is exactly what Griffin was doing when he got the concussion and the initial knee injury. They were standard dropback plays, but the OL did not maintain the pocket and he left the pocket. He has never been injured or even seriously hit on a read option play.

Since when has Kapernick become a better passer than Griffin? Prisoners of the moment, I tell ya....

 

[BaybeeJay]

What would early 00's Quincy Carter look like in San Francisco's offense? I think pretty good.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That is true but then he is running because he has been forced to run and things are collapsing around him. Now if I got 60 yards of clear space in front of me why would I not run and take it as SF QB did? He did not put himself at risk he went untouched. Had a defender closed in then slid or get out of bounds but I see the shot the QB take even after they throw the ball and that is no less painful and just as likely that you will get injured.

I'm not seeing the pistol expose the QB the read is very quick if the end man takes a step inside the QB pitches to the RB if the end move out to the RB and there is a big hole there the QB will take it and as long as he slids he is not going to take any hit. In the meantime he can also pull up and throw to the open man as the DB move up.

If this offense was soley a running option like the wishbone then I would agree it was nothing but a gadget play or fad but you can run the complete offense and use the entire field with 3 WR, RB and TE. In doing that defense can't just key on one aspect of the offense. It is not just about running the ball as a QB it takes advantage of their ability to throw the ball

I am definitely seeing it. RG3 is a good example of why I think teams will not go to it as a staple in future. JMO

 

[Doomsday101]

What would early 00's Quincy Carter look like in San Francisco's offense? I think pretty good.

I don't know it is a run or pass offense not a puff puff pass offense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What would early 00's Quincy Carter look like in San Francisco's offense? I think pretty good.

He would look like 00 Carter in Dallas. Quincy was not accurate with the ball. That's a problem.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am definitely seeing it. RG3 is a good example of why I think teams will not go to it as a staple in future. JMO

RGIII was trying to jump over defenders, he was trying to pick up the extra yards. No doubt if you play QB and you are challenging defenders head up then you will get busted up. He did not have to try to hurrdle a defender or try to pick up an extra yard. RGIII exposes himself not the offensive system.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

They both ran read option offenses, practically from the time they came into the NFL. Each played in offenses that had elements of Read Option in them.

This is news to me. I've seen them scramble on passing plays from under center and run on QB draws in a spread formation. Granted, I didn't watch a lot of their games in Atlanta and Tennessee.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

RGIII was trying to jump over defenders, he was trying to pick up the extra yards. No doubt if you play QB and you are challenging defenders head up then you will get busted up. He did not have to try to hurrdle a defender or try to pick up an extra yard. RGIII exposes himself not the offensive system.

I don't agree. Because of the way the offense is set up, that's going to happen. It's going to be something because you don't cover up your QB. He's out in space and he's either going to throw the ball, pull it down or get hit in the backfield. Two of the three involve exposing your QB. I think what you will see Defenses do is focus on hitting the QB everytime they break the pocket in future. I think this is how they will defeat that offense. I'm not a fan of it.

 

[DFWJC]

When did Mike Vick and Vince Young run the read option?

Vince Young at times ran a variation of it with Chris Johnson a few years ago.

I can't really recall Vick running it. Maybe he did though.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is news to me. I've seen them scramble on passing plays from under center and run on QB draws in a spread formation. Granted, I didn't watch a lot of their games in Atlanta and Tennessee.

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

RGIII was trying to jump over defenders, he was trying to pick up the extra yards. No doubt if you play QB and you are challenging defenders head up then you will get busted up. He did not have to try to hurrdle a defender or try to pick up an extra yard. RGIII exposes himself not the offensive system.

Exactly. He makes boneheaded decisions WHEN HE SCRAMBLES. When they're in Pistol, and he decides to keep it, he has avoided contact with not many defenders being able to get a bead on him. On passing plays from under center, the OL hasn't been able to consistently maintain the pocket and he's made bad decisions trying to turn a bad play into a good one. He needs to learn to throw the ball away sometimes. He rarely ever throws the ball away when he feels pressure or receivers aren't open.

 

[joseephuss]

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

From the 2009 season when the Eagles played the Cowboys in the playoffs.

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[NIBGoldenchild]

I don't agree. Because of the way the offense is set up, that's going to happen. It's going to be something because you don't cover up your QB. He's out in space and he's either going to throw the ball, pull it down or get hit in the backfield. Two of the three involve exposing your QB. I think what you will see Defenses do is focus on hitting the QB everytime they break the pocket in future. I think this is how they will defeat that offense. I'm not a fan of it.

The QB is instructed to only run when the DE/OLB is playing the tailback, that leaves him wide open to run and have plenty of time to slide or get out of bounds. The play is always being ran away from him, so there are only the defenders on the weak side with an opportunity to hit him, and you already know one isn't there. If the opportunity isn't there, the ball goes to the tailback. I've often seen RG3 keep it only twice a game. If a defense is been particularly undisciplined, you'll see him keep it more.

So actually, only one of the 3 options exposes your quarterback. He'll either hand it off to the RB, throw it, or keep it himself. Keeping it himself happens the least. How good your personnel is running the offense and how the defense plays it, determines how many times the QB is handing off or throwing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't agree. Because of the way the offense is set up, that's going to happen. It's going to be something because you don't cover up your QB. He's out in space and he's either going to throw the ball, pull it down or get hit in the backfield. Two of the three involve exposing your QB. I think what you will see Defenses do is focus on hitting the QB everytime they break the pocket in future. I think this is how they will defeat that offense. I'm not a fan of it.

Again the QB is not hanging on to the ball like some old fashion option play and NFL does not let you kill QB's. You got just as much of a chance getting hammered in the pocket. Look at Romo broken collar bone, broken ribs and injured ribs in the last game. If this was an offense that was soley about running the ball out of this formation then I would agree but it's not, guys with very good passing skills can run it be it RGIII or Andy Dalton.

In my view it is not anything like the wildcat which is nothing but a direct snap to the RB and it is soley a running play the defense know exactly what you are going to do. The Pistol does not allow you to key on just one thing you have to play the field because you can throw out of it just as easy as you can running out of it.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

From the 2009 season when the Eagles played the Cowboys in the playoffs.

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Thanks for the vid. I'd love to see some splits from that 2010 season to see how often Philly used it.

 

[joseephuss]

Thanks for the vid. I'd love to see some splits from that 2010 season to see how often Philly used it.

Probably less than they did with Vick in 2009 when he only came in a few plays a game as a change up to McNabb.

 

[JohnsKey19]

While scheme plays a part and enhances a players ability, ultimately you have to be a good player to succeed at this level. Kapernick, Wilson, Newton and RG3 will do fine going forward. I worry about RG3 some health-wise due to his slight frame and inability or refusal to avoid major contact, but the other guys will be just fine. Remember, these are all very skilled 1st/2nd year NFL QBs so you have to assume they will continue to improve and adjust as NFL defenses adjust to them. Neither player is hardly a one-trick pony. I believe they all have bright futures in the league whether NFL defenses better adjust to the read-option or not.

 

[dwmyers]

They both ran read option offenses, practically from the time they came into the NFL. Each played in offenses that had elements of Read Option in them.

When Vick came into the league, the coach in Atlanta was Dan Reeves, and he was running a version of Tom Landry's offense.

(sarcasm) You know, zone read central (/sarcasm).

D-

 

[links18]

He would look like 00 Carter in Dallas. Quincy was not accurate with the ball. That's a problem.

Switzer was on record saying we should run the option when Quincy was drafted....