Read Option

[jazzcat22]

It's the perfect offense.

The way the rules have been set up to protect QBs they almost have an unfair advantage over the d.

also the QB slide should be removed from the rule books if these guys are gonna be used in that manner.

Then teams better be 5 deep at QB, because once the defenses have an off season to figure this out, they won't last long....and it only take one defensive genius to figure it out, then all teams will copy it...

The QB will go down, and go down hard...on clean hits...

 

[dwmyers]

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

In 2000-2001 how many people were running the spread offense? If Rich Rodriguez is credited with inventing it, where did Vick learn it, from Tommy Bowden at Tulane or Clemson? Vick's coach in college was Frank Beamer, for crying out loud, a defensive guru and a 4-4 disciple.

Option plays, yes. The option is as old as Don Faurot. The zone read out of the spread? Almost certainly not. It wasn't that common when Vick came out of college.

D-

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I think it is here to stay.

What is not talked about is how rookie contracts and such are working out for QBs. In the past, GMs didn't want their 100 million dollar rookie QB doing it cause of that mountain of money. Now that they have less resources in the position, its not like you can't draft another one.

QBs are coming out more prepared and I really don't think they are as irreplaceable as they used to be. Now, you would much rather have the 15 year type, but if that read option guy never develops anything else in his game then you could easily just dump and replace him.

The NFL can change and it bout time we actually start to look at it instead of just sticking to ol' school thought processes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stanford had a great approach to playing the Oregon spread attack:

• Get upfield.
• Maintain lane/gap discipline
• Play physical and hit the QB on the read-option plays

If this is the approach going in, and the DEs in a 4-3 and the OLBs in a 3-4 are taught to stick the QB only, the attack can be stopped. It is predicated on the 3 man line/ILBs in the 3-4 and the 2 DTs and 3 LBs stopping the inside run from the back. The keys are what I listed above.

With the amount put in QBs, if they are getting tagged on these plays, the QBs will not hold up over the course of a season. It is why the option has not been a sustainable offense in the NFL.

I would tell my linemen that if the fake is in front of them and they are not sure then plow the QB. No cheap hits but if you have to guess guess such that the QB gets hit.

If the NFL picks up on this and Goodell does not turn it into laundry day then the read/option will not last. I believe that it is not lost to the NFL that one of the more dynamic prospects to come out in the last decade has a roached knee and runs this system.

 

[Fastphilly]

The read option is only successful with a very good conventional running game. WASH, SEA, and SF all possess that this year that contributed to their success. Without a good running game OLBs will not bite as much on the inside fake and they will stay diciplined on the outside edges.

Green Bay's LBs were spooked on the running game (Gore) and was caught slipping on the oustide containment. Not to mention Capers plan of bringing in fire blitzes with man to man coverage created alot of running space down field with DBs backs turned covering WRs. The difference between the Vikings QB last week and Kap this week is Kap can throw in the pocket.

 

[Fastphilly]

They both ran read option offenses, practically from the time they came into the NFL. Each played in offenses that had elements of Read Option in them.

Vick and Vince Young was missing an element essential of a read option offence success. They are not accurate passers.

 

[Yuma Cactus]

2 things that I think might work against the R/O.
1. DE/OLB always take a direct path to the QB.
2. Run stunts so the QB "reads" the DE/OLB crashing but an ILB/DT is looping out to in effect give a false "read".
Either way hit the QB as often and as hard as you can.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Either way hit the QB as often and as hard as you can.

Yeah decking the QB every time they do it will end it. Noone will want their QB taking that many hits cause they do add up for the game, and if they see him out there getting killed they will stop doing it.

If he wants to run, treat him like a running back and if he wants to slide, make him slide in the backfield. I saw what the 9er fan said about teams having a good running game being more effective with it, problem is their effectiveness is increased greatly by the run option so of course they run well.

Deck the QB, and you don't have to worry about him running.

 

[slaga]

2 things that I think might work against the R/O.
1. DE/OLB always take a direct path to the QB.
2. Run stunts so the QB "reads" the DE/OLB crashing but an ILB/DT is looping out to in effect give a false "read".
Either way hit the QB as often and as hard as you can.

The offense will use the FB to loop around the DE and block your ILB/DT. The DE is not blocked at all. He takes himself out of the play.

 

[Vinnie2u]

College ball is pumping out read option qb's like the Fed is printing money. You can get a new one every year. I would suit up 3 qb's every game.

 

[DFWJC]

The offense will use the FB to loop around the DE and block your ILB/DT. The DE is not blocked at all. He takes himself out of the play.

Especially if his name is D Ware. :

I know he was very hurt, but he seemed very unprepared mentally to defend that play and was always out of position. Granted, RG3 is a great ball-handler, but Ware was clueless.
That to me, reflected on Rob Byan and the staff.

 

[jayhouston12]

2 things that I think might work against the R/O.
1. DE/OLB always take a direct path to the QB.
2. Run stunts so the QB "reads" the DE/OLB crashing but an ILB/DT is looping out to in effect give a false "read".
Either way hit the QB as often and as hard as you can.

this is why i think the read option is just a fad that will pass on

i love the read option but after awhile defenses will adjust and the unblocked end will just go straight and hit the quarterback no guessing anymore, and those million dollar quarterbacks will take too many shots

will the read option work if a team like the skins, 9ers run it for years? I think so but do they want their quarterback in the dirt 5 times a game, along with sacks and other pressure

 

[Eddie]

College ball is pumping out read option qb's like the Fed is printing money. You can get a new one every year. I would suit up 3 qb's every game.

I agree. We can snag a R/O QB late in the draft. I want one !!!

 

[Eddie]

this is why i think the read option is just a fad that will pass on

i love the read option but after awhile defenses will adjust and the unblocked end will just go straight and hit the quarterback no guessing anymore, and those million dollar quarterbacks will take too many shots

will the read option work if a team like the skins, 9ers run it for years? I think so but do they want their quarterback in the dirt 5 times a game, along with sacks and other pressure

Yep ... even if it leads to a penalty. Have the DE head straight for the QB and put a helmet into his chest regardless if he has the ball or not.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Vick and Vince Young was missing an element essential of a read option offence success. They are not accurate passers.

Not true. As a running QB, both were much better. Neither were what I would call accurate but both were better throwing on the run then they were completing passes in a traditional drop back offense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The QB is instructed to only run when the DE/OLB is playing the tailback, that leaves him wide open to run and have plenty of time to slide or get out of bounds. The play is always being ran away from him, so there are only the defenders on the weak side with an opportunity to hit him, and you already know one isn't there. If the opportunity isn't there, the ball goes to the tailback. I've often seen RG3 keep it only twice a game. If a defense is been particularly undisciplined, you'll see him keep it more.

So actually, only one of the 3 options exposes your quarterback. He'll either hand it off to the RB, throw it, or keep it himself. Keeping it himself happens the least. How good your personnel is running the offense and how the defense plays it, determines how many times the QB is handing off or throwing.

No. I understand the design of the read option but, you can not account for everything the defense will do. Things break down and your QB is going to get hit. It's the NFL. If your QB gets hit, he's going to get hurt. I mean, that's really what it comes down to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again the QB is not hanging on to the ball like some old fashion option play and NFL does not let you kill QB's. You got just as much of a chance getting hammered in the pocket. Look at Romo broken collar bone, broken ribs and injured ribs in the last game. If this was an offense that was soley about running the ball out of this formation then I would agree but it's not, guys with very good passing skills can run it be it RGIII or Andy Dalton.

In my view it is not anything like the wildcat which is nothing but a direct snap to the RB and it is soley a running play the defense know exactly what you are going to do. The Pistol does not allow you to key on just one thing you have to play the field because you can throw out of it just as easy as you can running out of it.

Right, and the Defense is not just rushing up the field in designated passing lanes either. Defense gets paid to play football too. You can't know what a defense will do to counter you. You may depend on the fact that a DC will devise a game plan to hit you as much as possible. This is not new stuff. We've seen QBs try to run this for years. It's not as if this is new this year. What always happens? You get your QB killed.

I'm sorry, I don't agree.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When Vick came into the league, the coach in Atlanta was Dan Reeves, and he was running a version of Tom Landry's offense.

(sarcasm) You know, zone read central (/sarcasm).

D-

I recall. In fact, I also remember Reeves wanting to get away from running as much of, what he called "Freelance", offense with Vick. In fact, that was a major issue between he and the organization and ultimately, that's what helped get him fired. Vick wanted to run this offense and Reeves wanted to move away from it and develop Vick in a more traditional offense with more of a running game dependent play action style.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In 2000-2001 how many people were running the spread offense? If Rich Rodriguez is credited with inventing it, where did Vick learn it, from Tommy Bowden at Tulane or Clemson? Vick's coach in college was Frank Beamer, for crying out loud, a defensive guru and a 4-4 disciple.

Option plays, yes. The option is as old as Don Faurot. The zone read out of the spread? Almost certainly not. It wasn't that common when Vick came out of college.

D-

This is crazy. That offense has been around since Roger Staubach at Navy. Heck, before that. The 49ers ran a version of this with Steve Young. Doug Williams ran it as well. They have been running this in Canada since they had football in Canada. I mean, this is not new. Come on guys.

The NFL has not used it because NFL coaches know that once you lose your QB, your done.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is crazy. That offense has been around since Roger Staubach at Navy. Heck, before that. The 49ers ran a version of this with Steve Young. Doug Williams ran it as well. They have been running this in Canada since they had football in Canada. I mean, this is not new. Come on guys.

The NFL has not used it because NFL coaches know that once you lose your QB, your done.

Not true

Rich Rodriguez at Clemson was the primary inventor of the 21st century "read option" offense which he then took to WVU and had success with Pat White.

http://smartfootball.com/run-game/the-zone-read-gun-triple-option-and-the-quadruple-option

Chris Ault at Neveda invented the "pistol" formation which started in 2005

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-Commanders-rg3

Before the 2005 season, Ault, unhappy with his offense, presented his staff with a new idea – a shotgun formation with the running back aligned directly behind the quarterback. “They thought I’d lost my marbles,” Ault recently recalled [source]. But with the “Pistol” Nevada went from near the bottom to the top of its conference in offensive production and over the next few years slowly added additional components to the attack to make it even more effective.