Realistic trade scenarios

[BlindFaith]

1. San Fran - I don't think they are enamored with Kap. The move up from 7 to 4 is very doable as they have a ton of picks. The Chargers may want to move down, but they also may really like Ramsey or Buckner.
(We get - rd1 #7, rd2 #6 and rd5 #6)

2. Rams - They really need a QB. Goff to Rams just makes sense. Plus they have two second rounders.
(We get - rd1 #15, rd2 #12, rd2 #14)

3. Philly - Bradford isn't the long term answer. Goff could be a guy that becomes the starter by mid season. They have a quantity of picks, but not a lot of quality.
(We get - rd1#8, rd3 #14, rd3 #16, rd4 #2)

I really like the San Fran idea. (Since we are unlikely to draft a QB). This would put us in a position to draft Elliot, Rankins, Hargreaves or Lawson at 1.

 

[Idgit]

I'm not sure we're unlikely to draft a QB, but as these trades pretty much hinge on us not liking Goff, I'll play. I like the idea of a trade down with San Fran as it's a lot more predictable which players will still be on the board. With Lynch and Elliot still there and options at DB and DL that we must like a bit more realistic, I wouldn't mind that move if it presented itself. Basically, it's Goff v. Lynch and a 2nd and a 5th in my book. That's reasonable value. And if Lynch isn't there, you still don't get stuck too badly.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Why would any of those teams need to jump Bal or Jax to get a qb? Our best chance to generate interest for other teams to trade up is if Tunsil falls to 4.

 

[funkytown]

The thing about the Cowboys trading down, it seems like we never get enough from the other team. But when we trade up we end up giving up more than expected.

The Rams are the scenario that seems most likely. They trade up for a QB and give us 1-15. But I don't think we could get both their 2nd rounders.

 

[BlindFaith]

I'm not sure we're unlikely to draft a QB, but as these trades pretty much hinge on us not liking Goff, I'll play. I like the idea of a trade down with San Fran as it's a lot more predictable which players will still be on the board. With Lynch and Elliot still there and options at DB and DL that we must like a bit more realistic, I wouldn't mind that move if it presented itself. Basically, it's Goff v. Lynch and a 2nd and a 5th in my book. That's reasonable value. And if Lynch isn't there, you still don't get stuck too badly.

I think that would be pretty high for Lynch. You'd be good with him at 7? Maybe if we traded with the Rams he could be in consideration at 15.

 

[Sasquatch]

Why would any of those teams need to jump Bal or Jax to get a qb? Our best chance to generate interest for other teams to trade up is if Tunsil falls to 4.

Because other qb needy teams could switch picks with those guys.

 

[BlindFaith]

Why would any of those teams need to jump Bal or Jax to get a qb? Our best chance to generate interest for other teams to trade up is if Tunsil falls to 4.

That's why WE need to at least express consideration for drafting Goff at 4. Which is really what I'd do anyway. And then you have other teams like Philly and the Rams that could be very interested.

Those teams will need to get as high as possible. The Chargers could be that team if they don't love either Ramsey or Buckner. If they do, and don't want to trade down, that leaves us.

If the Chargers are in play for a trade down, then we would be looking at getting less value back in return as teams would be pitting us against them and who wanted to move down more.

 

[BlindFaith]

The thing about the Cowboys trading down, it seems like we never get enough from the other team. But when we trade up we end up giving up more than expected.

The Rams are the scenario that seems most likely. They trade up for a QB and give us 1-15. But I don't think we could get both their 2nd rounders.

Depends on if they think Goff is a franchise guy. Giving up 2 second round picks for a quality QB that could be yours for the next 10 years is very worth it to me.

 

[Idgit]

I think that would be pretty high for Lynch. You'd be good with him at 7? Maybe if we traded with the Rams he could be in consideration at 15.

It's a tough one. He's a big reach at #7. I guess I'm saying if the team wants a QB, but doesn't see a big delta between Goff and Lynch, or rather, if they think Lynch is a better fit for us because we've got the 2-3 years he'll need to develop, I don't mind the drop to pick up another top-100 pick.

But I do want a QB out of this offseason. There are 3 in the draft I have any faith in. 15-20 is about the right spot for Lynch, but if we were to drop that low, I'd be sweating the whole time that another team would jump us and take him. We could still pivot to Spence or Elliot or another good player there at 15, but I think not getting the developmental QB from the 4 pick here, however circuitously, would be a mistake.

 

[DFWJC]

1. San Fran - I don't think they are enamored with Kap. The move up from 7 to 4 is very doable as they have a ton of picks. The Chargers may want to move down, but they also may really like Ramsey or Buckner.
(We get - rd1 #7, rd2 #6 and rd5 #6)

2. Rams - They really need a QB. Goff to Rams just makes sense. Plus they have two second rounders.
(We get - rd1 #15, rd2 #12, rd2 #14)

3. Philly - Bradford isn't the long term answer. Goff could be a guy that becomes the starter by mid season. They have a quantity of picks, but not a lot of quality.
(We get - rd1#8, rd3 #14, rd3 #16, rd4 #2)

I really like the San Fran idea. (Since we are unlikely to draft a QB). This would put us in a position to draft Elliot, Rankins, Hargreaves or Lawson at 1.

1. Seeing that San Fran traded Kap to Denver--pending a re-work of the contract--I'd say they for sure aren't enamored with him
They are a great potential trade partner.
But the trade would not include their 2nd rounder. We could maybe get their 3rd and 4th though.
Interesting, that trade even leaves open the possibility of drafting Elliott, for those wanting that. Don't see him going before 8th.

2. Rams trade would require more from Dallas. A 4th probably. But in ay case, I have a hard time seeing Fisher being willing to give up all of that. Maybe though.
I agree that Lynch may come into play at this point

3. Philly...eeew

 

[dueyhemlock]

The thing about the Cowboys trading down, it seems like we never get enough from the other team. But when we trade up we end up giving up more than expected.

The Rams are the scenario that seems most likely. They trade up for a QB and give us 1-15. But I don't think we could get both their 2nd rounders.

They can keep their 2nd second rounder and replace it with next years 1st rounder. It's the same value and we'll have a lot more options next year with 2-1st round picks.

 

[BlindFaith]

It's a tough one. He's a big reach at #7. I guess I'm saying if the team wants a QB, but doesn't see a big delta between Goff and Lynch, or rather, if they think Lynch is a better fit for us because we've got the 2-3 years he'll need to develop, I don't mind the drop to pick up another top-100 pick.

But I do want a QB out of this offseason. There are 3 in the draft I have any faith in. 15-20 is about the right spot for Lynch, but if we were to drop that low, I'd be sweating the whole time that another team would jump us and take him. We could still pivot to Spence or Elliot or another good player there at 15, but I think not getting the developmental QB from the 4 pick here, however circuitously, would be a mistake.

Lynch is being mocked all over the place. I don't think he gets passed Denver in the first. If San Fran, Philly or the Rams don't trade up, he could easily go to any of those teams.

If we trade down, I would guess that we would be targeting a QB for the 2nd or 3rd. Cook and Hackenberg make sense there.

 

[BlindFaith]

1. Seeing that San Fran traded Kap to Denver--pending a re-work of the contract--I'd say they for sure aren't enamored with him
They are a great potential trade partner.
But the trade would not include their 2nd rounder. We could maybe get their 3rd and 4th though.
Interesting, that trade even leaves open the possibility of drafting Elliott, for those wanting that. Don't see him going before 8th.

It all depends. If two teams are interested in moving up they may have to give up that second rounder. Especially if they don't even have a QB.

 

[Kaiser]

I like the SF trade better but it all depends on who are targeting and what the board looks like. You don't really have a sense of who is targeting who until the week of the draft and these trades will be made when Dallas is on the clock. If you are targeting a guy like Jack and think he will drop to 7, the SF trade would be great. If not, take the Rams deal and load up in the 2nd round.

 

[DFWJC]

It all depends. If two teams are interested in moving up they may have to give up that second rounder. Especially if they don't even have a QB.

I hear you.
It's just that the value (and I know those charts aren't the end-all) was 1800 to 2060. Value-wise, by the charts, it would be a first time. I've yet to see one in many years that had the values off by more than 5-10%. And especially when Jerry trades...it's usually us giving up more.
But hey, if Jerry can pull it off, kudos.

I do think they are most probably trade partner--especially now that they're looking to trade Kap to Denver.

 

[Idgit]

Lynch is being mocked all over the place. I don't think he gets passed Denver in the first. If San Fran, Philly or the Rams don't trade up, he could easily go to any of those teams.

If we trade down, I would guess that we would be targeting a QB for the 2nd or 3rd. Cook and Hackenberg make sense there.

That's what I'd be afraid of.

For me at QB, it's either one of the top-3, or pay Hoyer when he's cut loose and get a guy in the 4th to play around with for a year and hope you get lucky. Which, to be clear, I think is a completely sucky solution to a significant personnel problem.

Backup QB was the second biggest personnel need on the team at the end of last season, and they've done nothing for it. You don't get franchise guys outside the top 10 in the draft very often, so I'm thinking long and hard before passing on a guy here this year.

That said, we have lots of needs, and I can also see why we'd consider adding picks and defensive talent. If we go that route, I'll understand the thinking. I'll just vehemently disagree with it.

 

[Sydla]

The Rams trade would be the best trade, then followed by the 49ers trade.

 

[tyke1doe]

The thing about the Cowboys trading down, it seems like we never get enough from the other team. But when we trade up we end up giving up more than expected.

The Rams are the scenario that seems most likely. They trade up for a QB and give us 1-15. But I don't think we could get both their 2nd rounders.

Why not? That's too doable if they want to make the jump that high. I wouldn't trade with the Rams unless they gave up their two No. 2s - at the least. Maybe swap our third with their fourth to sweeten the pot.

 

[Sarge]

1. San Fran - I don't think they are enamored with Kap. The move up from 7 to 4 is very doable as they have a ton of picks. The Chargers may want to move down, but they also may really like Ramsey or Buckner.
(We get - rd1 #7, rd2 #6 and rd5 #6)

2. Rams - They really need a QB. Goff to Rams just makes sense. Plus they have two second rounders.
(We get - rd1 #15, rd2 #12, rd2 #14)

3. Philly - Bradford isn't the long term answer. Goff could be a guy that becomes the starter by mid season. They have a quantity of picks, but not a lot of quality.
(We get - rd1#8, rd3 #14, rd3 #16, rd4 #2)

I really like the San Fran idea. (Since we are unlikely to draft a QB). This would put us in a position to draft Elliot, Rankins, Hargreaves or Lawson at 1.

You're making a huge assumption that we are not interested in QB at #4 OURSELVES.

Never assume.

 

[Szczepanik]

I like the SF trade better but it all depends on who are targeting and what the board looks like. You don't really have a sense of who is targeting who until the week of the draft and these trades will be made when Dallas is on the clock. If you are targeting a guy like Jack and think he will drop to 7, the SF trade would be great. If not, take the Rams deal and load up in the 2nd round.

Could end up doing both trades. Down to 7 then down to 15