Reason to believe in Kyle Kosier (sarcasm)

[Cowboys&Caps]

i will bet anyone that Larry Allen misses as many as 8 games and no less than 4 games this year. The dude is lazy, slow, and old. In the NFL today that is asking for injuries. I am happy w/ Kyle "freakin" Kosier and i believe in Ireland.

 

[wileedog]

Or the fact that LA, on his worst day, never got bulldozed by a LB

No, but an aging Warren Sapp ran circles around him for an entire game last year.

Care to put up a video clip of the Raider game?

 

[The30YardSlant]

It's called watching the games.

I love it, AND recommend it. Give it a shot.

Who knows what sort of things you might come up with....

You want phenomenal, pop in SB 30 and watch Deion Sanders. You want good, watch Terence Newman cover Santana Moss.

Seems you have a different definition of phenomenal than I do. I reserve phenomenal for guys who have more than one great season.

BTW, I've watched every Cowboys game since 1990, so you can give up the "watch the game" schitck, its getting old, just like your undying praise for Newman.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

HH31...you are full of some serious sh..., ah you get the point. Ever think when you are fighting a one man battle against a thousand idiots that you just might be the idiot? Probably never crossed your mind.

T-New did not give up a TD pass all year. Champ Bailey got torched multiple times for TD's in a game. Don't make AdamJT come in here with his stats and show you the raw numbers.

And anyone calling Ronde Barber and Chris McAlister great cover guys aren't watching. McAlister has become average as the rest of the Ravens defense has weakned. Isn't it funny how that happens. Ronde Barber is a zone corner. He very rarely plays man coverage. You can't even begin to compare him with Newman or Hall or Bailey.

That's insane.

 

[The30YardSlant]

No, but an aging Warren Sapp ran circles around him for an entire game last year.

Care to put up a video clip of the Raider game?

You mean the sack in which Sapp blew up Al Johnson?

Try again

 

[Alexander]

And anyone calling Ronde Barber and Chris McAlister great cover guys aren't watching. McAlister has become average as the rest of the Ravens defense has weakned. Isn't it funny how that happens. Ronde Barber is a zone corner. He very rarely plays man coverage. You can't even begin to compare him with Newman or Hall or Bailey.

That's insane.

Uh, you do realize you are helping him prove his point here, right? McAlister and Barber are two of the best in the game.

 

[wileedog]

You mean the sack in which Sapp blew up Al Johnson?

Try again

I'm not talking about 1 play. Sapp abused Allen almost that entire game.

 

[superpunk]

You want phenomenal, pop in SB 30 and watch Deion Sanders. You want good, watch Terence Newman cover Santana Moss.

Noone has been as good as Deion since Deion. Pretty reasonable yardstick you've established there...

Seems you have a different definition of phenomenal than I do. I reserve phenomenal for guys who have more than one great season.

Yay! Newman's had two. What's his prize?

BTW, I've watched every Cowboys game since 1990, so you can give up the "watch the game" schitck, its getting old, just like your undying praise for Newman.

It's not schtick.

You have a rep for judging play based on.....nothing.

Needless to say your opinion doesn't carry much weight on player evaluations.

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH31...you are full of some serious sh..., ah you get the point. Ever think when you are fighting a one man battle against a thousand idiots that you just might be the idiot? Probably never crossed your mind.

T-New did not give up a TD pass all year. Champ Bailey got torched multiple times for TD's in a game. Don't make AdamJT come in here with his stats and show you the raw numbers.

And anyone calling Ronde Barber and Chris McAlister great cover guys aren't watching. McAlister has become average as the rest of the Ravens defense has weakned. Isn't it funny how that happens. Ronde Barber is a zone corner. He very rarely plays man coverage. You can't even begin to compare him with Newman or Hall or Bailey.

That's insane.

No, I feel like I'm fighting against a bunch of homers who have bought into the hype that gets shoveled for this team. I dont care if you, or anyone else, agrees with me, but when people start calling Newman the best corner in football, or Drew Bledsoe a top 5 QB, or Kyle Kosier an upgrade over maybe the greatest lineman to ever live, I feel obligated to say something. This board is turning into Extremeskins, what with the blue and silver glasses that everyone seems to be sporting.

Sorry, but I am not buying it. I have higher standards for greatness than most of this board seems to. I refuse to slap the greatest corner in football lable on a guy who has 1 great season. I refuse to lable a backup guard better than the best to ever play the game.

And that last paragraph discredited anything you had to say. Barber and <cCalister are two of the best in the game any way you slice it.

 

[Hoov]

You want phenomenal, pop in SB 30 and watch Deion Sanders. You want good, watch Terence Newman cover Santana Moss.

Seems you have a different definition of phenomenal than I do. I reserve phenomenal for guys who have more than one great season.

BTW, I've watched every Cowboys game since 1990, so you can give up the "watch the game" schitck, its getting old, just like your undying praise for Newman.

You want more than one great season from newman to say he is a top corner, but you'll deny him that honor for one average season. He played well his rookie year, had one average year playing hurt on a bad team, then rebounded with a good year. That is all he has had a chance to play yet.

But i see from your sig quote that if you like a player he doesn't even need to play a down in the nfl before being proclaimed great.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You want phenomenal, pop in SB 30 and watch Deion Sanders

Huh? The Larry Brown Super Bowl? You have the wrong corner. And they were playing against a mediocre pass offense. Ernie Mills? Yancey Thigpen?

You might want to pick a different Deion game to prove your point.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Huh? The Larry Brown Super Bowl? You have the wrong corner. And they were playing against a mediocre pass offense. Ernie Mills? Yancey Thigpen?

You might want to pick a different Deion game to prove your point.

Jesus man, you just dont get it. Larry Brown had 2 INTs because Deion completely shut down the opposite side they threw at him THREE TIMES the entire game. It's starting to make sense, you equate great corner play with numbers. If they arent throwing at you, you are a very good corner. Teams still throw at Newman, albeit much less than they used to. Teams dont throw at Ronde Barber, the best pure cover corner in my eyes in football right now.

Amd I was just using an example that everyone would recognize. It was easier than saying "Hey, watch the 1998 Washington Commanders game in Dallas"

Get a clue

 

[superpunk]

Ronde Barber really does cover that short-right zone better than any Tampa-2 corner in the league. Dude is teh hotness.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You want more than one great season from newman to say he is a top corner, but you'll deny him that honor for one average season. He played well his rookie year, had one average year playing hurt on a bad team, then rebounded with a good year. That is all he has had a chance to play yet.

But i see from your sig quote that if you like a player he doesn't even need to play a down in the nfl before being proclaimed great.

No, he had a good rookie year, followed by a terribkle sophmore season, then a very good 3rd year. Average doesnt do 2004 justice.

And the sig isnt proclaiming anyone great, its saying he will be at some point. You're reaching

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Ronde Barber is a great zone corner...but he is NOT a cover corner. They are not the same thing. Put Barber on an island and you would have memories of Elvis Patterson. You remember him don't you? "Toast".

HH's argument is that DeAngelo Hall is way better than Newman. I'd question that he is better at all.

When is the last time a receiver had double digit catches against TNew or over a 100 yds?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ronde Barber really does cover that short-right zone better than any Tampa-2 corner in the league. Dude is teh hotness.

Wow, now it's really starting to make sense.....

Speaking of not watching the games.......

 

[parchy]

Get a clue

Why even include that in your post?

 

[Alexander]

Ronde Barber is a great zone corner...but he is NOT a cover corner. They are not the same thing. Put Barber on an island and you would have memories of Elvis Patterson. You remember him don't you? "Toast".

Again, you are trying to help him prove his point with this kind of ridiculous exagerration.

 

[superpunk]

Wow, now it's really starting to make sense.....

Speaking of not watching the games.......

It will never make sense to you. So I'm not certain why I try.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Ronde Barber has help either from a safety or LB on just about every play, Newman has it rarely.

Why do you think Henry had so many passes thrown against him last year? Because no one threw to Newman's side.