Rebooting the secondary

[texbumthelife]

LOL

Yes, let's draft another in the first. Spend a billion gazillion on another. Worked so well last time.

Yes, because I said that in my post. You read about as well as we scout DB's.

 

[Alexander]

You said show you a Super Bowl team, I just showed you. They went big in FA to secure their secondary.

So, I'm awaiting your brilliant solution to fix our secondary. Not the draft, not FA, so what do we do? This is funny. Haha

I don't think it needs "fixing".

It needs attention, sure.

A pick here or there. An extra body in FA.

But this is not a scheme that is driven by the secondary.

If we keep Marinelli, it is dumb to bother.

If you spend a ton of resources , that is a waste of time.

I would look at what we are doing. Marinelli's best defense in Chicago was with zone corners. We seem to have lost our way with attempting this "Seattle" idea that has been around since Old Man Kiffin was hired.

 

[texbumthelife]

We have no talent at corner or safety. Even Scandrick is just passable. Certainly don't know why people are so high on Claiborne this year, except they've gotten too used to sub average play.

No talent? Scandrick is not a Hall of Famer, but he is a very good corner. Byron Jones has some room to grow, but has looked great. Mo has played well enough to earn a modest contract. I am not saying throw number one money at the guy, but what he's done this year has been good enough for modest money.

Our two best linebackers might not be in our future either.

So which is it, stand pat at linebacker or go after more talent? First you said stand pat and now you're saying our two best might not be in our future. Like I said, I think they go after a LB early and if we keep losing and/or one of the top guys falls to us you snatch him up.

Our best defensive end is on a one year deal, Crawford is underperforming, and Lawrence and Gregory haven't shown any indication that they are the players of the future.

Well, personally, I think Lawrence needs to go back to the weak side rotation with Gregory and Crawford needs to play SDE. I think that solves a lot of what ails us.

Ngata can stop the run, which is something we desperately need here. Huge upgrade over Hayden even if he isn't the same guy he was years ago.

Ngata is a shell of himself. He hasn't done jack in a season and a half. He is 31 coming off a 31 tackle season. He has EIGHT tackles this season. Yes, single digits, only playing in 5 games. He's done.

Your response seems like it is coming from someone who is still riding preseason hype. It hasn't come to fruition and that is at the minimum worrisome.

Your post sounds like someone living in the Madden fantasy world where you have All Pros at every position.

The seahawks played talented rookies in the secondary and they were able to flourish. Sometimes you have to make changes and take risks. Part of this teams biggest problem is that it is so risk averse and unwilling to give young guys a chance.

We talking about two rookies who've turned out to be potential Hall-of-Fame level players? If that's your measuring stick, this D will never live up.

The defense has not been good enough, but it hasn't been so bad there needs to be some massive reconstruction, either. That just ridiculous. To suggest their "window is closing" when we are one of the youngest teams in the league is just asinine.

I am all for taking risks. I would love a new defensive scheme that brought pressure and took advantage of our players better. I think that's the best way to impact the performance and splash play ability of this defense. We definitely need another FS. Wilcox and Heath have no business starting in this league. Church leads the team in tackles again and when allowed to play in the box still performs above average. I think you address his spot next off season, unless a good SS just falls into your lap.

 

[Alexander]

Psst. It is always the players. Just need to keep adding players. Coaching and scheme mean zero.

 

[Galian Beast]

No talent? Scandrick is not a Hall of Famer, but he is a very good corner. Byron Jones has some room to grow, but has looked great. Mo has played well enough to earn a modest contract. I am not saying throw number one money at the guy, but what he's done this year has been good enough for modest money.



So which is it, stand pat at linebacker or go after more talent? First you said stand pat and now you're saying our two best might not be in our future. Like I said, I think they go after a LB early and if we keep losing and/or one of the top guys falls to us you snatch him up.



Well, personally, I think Lawrence needs to go back to the weak side rotation with Gregory and Crawford needs to play SDE. I think that solves a lot of what ails us.



Ngata is a shell of himself. He hasn't done jack in a season and a half. He is 31 coming off a 31 tackle season. He has EIGHT tackles this season. Yes, single digits, only playing in 5 games. He's done.



Your post sounds like someone living in the Madden fantasy world where you have All Pros at every position.



We talking about two rookies who've turned out to be potential Hall-of-Fame level players? If that's your measuring stick, this D will never live up.

The defense has not been good enough, but it hasn't been so bad there needs to be some massive reconstruction, either. That just ridiculous. To suggest their "window is closing" when we are one of the youngest teams in the league is just asinine.

I am all for taking risks. I would love a new defensive scheme that brought pressure and took advantage of our players better. I think that's the best way to impact the performance and splash play ability of this defense. We definitely need another FS. Wilcox and Heath have no business starting in this league. Church leads the team in tackles again and when allowed to play in the box still performs above average. I think you address his spot next off season, unless a good SS just falls into your lap.

Scandrick is an above average corner, he isn't a really good corner, but he is the only guy we should retain out of the three corners we have.

I think you're reading selectively here. I said that we should stand pat at linebacker next year and focus on fixing the secondary. I said that the window looks like it could be closing for this defense as it is. That doesn't mean that we can pull another year out of these linebackers though. It does mean that they probably aren't the future.

Crawford has never been a force on the outside. He isn't a 9 million a year defensive end. If Lawrence can't get the job done on the strong side, what makes you think he is going to perform at the weak?

I'm not sure what fantasy you're living in, but is certainly is a fantasy.

The defense hasn't been bad, but it certainly hasn't been good enough to hang your hat on and it could get significantly worse depending on who is retained at the end of the year and if the offense continues to regress.

 

[Galian Beast]

Psst. It is always the players. Just need to keep adding players. Coaching and scheme mean zero.

Did you not see where I said we should fire the secondary coaches?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Joey Bosa's dad was a 1st round pick defensive lineman in the NFL.

Joey Bosa's dad was an unbelievable bust.

Just saying.

Michael Jordan was the best basketball player ever. His son was mediocre. Relevance?

 

[cowboyuptx]

Scandrick and Jones to start at CB..Not sure who the 3rd CB would be, maybe resign Claiborne, but I assume we could find an adequate 3rd CB somewhere...

At FS, I would definitely sign Weddle or Gipson who will both be UFA's and it's very unlikely either will re-sign with their current teams... These guys are both proven commodities at FS, and either one would immediately fill that gap at FS that has existed for more than a decade...
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At SS, my top choice would be to sign James Ihedigbo away from the Lions in the offseason...
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My primary focus in the draft would be DT, DE, and LB... And of course we'll need a RB for the offense...

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think the team can simply keep throwing good money after bad at the secondary. At some point, whoever is in charge of making the picks or coaching the players needs to move on.

Claiborne cost a 1st and a 3rd.

Jones a 1st.

Now another 1st and a 2nd/3rd.

That's 5 premium picks in 5 drafts. Unacceptable to have anything less than a very good secondary and yet Dallas would be relying on 2 more rookies just to get them to good.

The team clearly isn't getting it's bang for the buck on these picks. I'd almost rather they just spent the picks somewhere else. If you aren't improve, you're letting another area of the team get weaker.

 

[therock1982]

carr i agree with cutting
i cant see mo commanding big mone anwhere so wh not bring him back?he has showed big improvements this year.
use the money you saved on carr by bringing in gipson from the browns if he hits free agency-freeing up bj to start at cb
draft a mid round cb-i like lloyd carrington in round 4 out of arizona state
use and earl round selection on another safety to start opposite gispson-again i like darian thompson in the 2nd from boise state.
this wa we are only starting 1 rookie in the secondary,but with a safety pairing of gipson and thompson it might just improve our cb play-much like the play of the seahaks secondary makes the corners there not named sherman look alot better.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Wilcox cant tackle and takes bad angles. He has 27 tackles on the year. Church leads the team with 77 tackles. So i definately wouldnt cut church and leave wilcox. No sir.

Church has gave up more big plays then church. Church has been terrible

 

[Derinyar]

The Safetys are an issue, if Jones is a CB. The CBs are an issue if Jones is a S. Regardless we need at least 1 safety for next year, a box safety if we keep Jones at S or a Free if we keep Jones at CB. If Jones is a CB I don't think there's a pressing need to have to go heavy at CB, even if we release Carr and don't resign Mo. I suspect we still sign someone, because you can't fully trust that Scandrick will be 100% next year, though it's somewhat likely. Scandrick, Jones, Patmon are a good enough three deep, especially if you can generate some semi consistent pass rush. I think we will have to see what the team wants to do with Jones before we really figure out what they are going to do in the secondary for next year.