Redo on 2023 Draft

[DasTex]

I like the real draft 10 times better because the players they took actually fit with the schemes they plan to run. Did you not witness the absolute mess that has gone on in Green Bay since they drafted Jordan Love so high instead of using that draft capital to add a weapon for Rodgers? I want no part of going down that road. When and if they decide to move on from Dak, you just do it. Trade for or sign a veteran and then draft one but drafting one and still keeping Dak around is not how I would approach it. I'd follow what the Rams did, not Green Bay!

Worked out pretty well for Kansas City.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Worked out pretty well for Kansas City.

Alex Smith was terrible.

And again, it was a first-round pick that they traded up for, so it was a QB they believed in the future of. They didn't wait and take Deshone Kizer in the second round.

There is a massive difference between getting a guy in the first round and taking a guy who falls to you in the second, as far as what type of asset you view them as.

 

[Cowboys22]

In general I agree with this, but there is a huge middle ground between GB and LAR lol.

Nothing GB has done in the draft the last decade or so has many any sense at all. That said, I don't hate the Love pick, but they should have moved on from Rodgers well before they did, if that's the angle.

Thats my whole point. You dont draft Hooker in the 2nd instead of a new weapon for Dak and then try to keep Dak as the starter until Hooker is ready. It's a disaster in the lockeroom.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Thats my whole point. You dont draft Hooker in the 2nd instead of a new weapon for Dak and then try to keep Dak as the starter until Hooker is ready. It's a disaster in the lockeroom.

yea, I'm agreeing with you lol

I don't really care about the lockerroom part, but fundamentally yea.

 

[DasTex]

Alex Smith was terrible.

And again, it was a first-round pick that they traded up for, so it was a QB they believed in the future of. They didn't wait and take Deshone Kizer in the second round.

There is a massive difference between getting a guy in the first round and taking a guy who falls to you in the second, as far as what type of asset you view them as.

Alex Smith was not terrible with KC - but they looked to improve the QB position when they figured out he could not get them to the next level. Dak has not shown he can do that and yet wants to be paid as a Top 5 QB - already thinking about his next extension. Projections being 5 yrs 255 million - vomit.

As far as your comparing Deshone Kizer vs Hendon Hooker - that's not even close. Might want to go back and check out Kizer's stats before throwing out that comparison. Hooker without the injury would have been a 1st rounder.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Alex Smith was not terrible with KC - but they looked to improve the QB position when they figured out he could not get them to the next level. Dak has not shown he can do that and yet wants to be paid as a Top 5 QB - already thinking about his next extension. Projections being 5 yrs 255 million - vomit.

As far as your comparing Deshone Kizer vs Hendon Hooker - that's not even close. Might want to go back and check out Kizer's stats before throwing out that comparison. Hooker without the injury would have been a 1st rounder.

Not terrible is the same as terrible when you are talking about quarterback play.

College stats don't matter and that's not the point anyway. But the point isn't to compare the two players, the point is the fundamental difference in the approach of investing heavy draft capital to draft a QB in the first round because you believe he can be your franchise qb vs. just letting a qb fall to you in the second.

 

[DanA]

Thats my whole point. You dont draft Hooker in the 2nd instead of a new weapon for Dak and then try to keep Dak as the starter until Hooker is ready. It's a disaster in the lockeroom.

Yeah, I think this is the only logical position.

The reality is we can’t get away from Dak’s contract this year so there is no point rocking the boat. I do think paying a QB that is 6-15th best in the league is fraught with danger as a general rule but that ship has sailed. I wouldn’t renew though and 2024 or 2025 I’d look at drafting a QB. I just don’t want a guy outside that very top tier on 50m+ a season. Same goes for pass rushers and any position really.

 

[Sandyf]

Like what we did better.

 

[Zekeats]

They didn't take him in the second round either.

Ok I know that. Your point?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Ok I know that. Your point?

Uh, that there's no logic to using a second-round pick on a QB if you already have one. That's literally what the thread is about. Rodgers isn't relevant to the point.

 

[EST_1986]

There's no point in drafting guys who aren't going to play in the second round, and if you think they are going to play, you take them in the first round so you can get the 5th-year option. In your scenario, if Hooker proves to be a capable starter after taking over in 2024, you're paying him probably $50m in 2027 anyway, working on the extension before the 2026 season. The Cowboys will have no leverage in this scenario.

This is all besides the point, which is that Hooker isn't good anyway.

The Cowboys make a habit out of drafting guys in the 2nd round that cant play, most that physically cant play

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Not terrible is the same as terrible when you are talking about quarterback play.

College stats don't matter and that's not the point anyway. But the point isn't to compare the two players, the point is the fundamental difference in the approach of investing heavy draft capital to draft a QB in the first round because you believe he can be your franchise qb vs. just letting a qb fall to you in the second.

Alex Smith literally led the entire nfl in passer rating the year they took Mahomes. Highest average yards per attempt in the nfl, lowest interception %. It is a proper comparison to Dak at this stage of his career.

What about what Philly did with Hurts? Not worth a first round pick, literally saved the franchise. This notion of 1st-rounder-or-not worth-it is hullabaloo. Dak, Russell, Kirk, JimmyG, Derek Carr… you can get value beyond the first round at the position, even future starters; especially if you put the proper context of each scenario. Had Hooker not been injured he’s likely a top 15 pick.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Alex Smith literally led the entire nfl in passer rating the year they took Mahomes. Highest average yards per attempt in the nfl, lowest interception %. It is a proper comparison to Dak at this stage of his career.

What about what Philly did with Hurts? Not worth a first round pick, literally saved the franchise. This notion of 1st-rounder-or-not worth-it is hullabaloo. Dak, Russell, Kirk, JimmyG, Derek Carr… you can get value beyond the first round at the position, even future starters; especially if you put the proper context of each scenario. Had Hooker not been injured he’s likely a top 15 pick.

The point isn't whether or not you can get a good player outside of the first round. The point is that if you have a franchise QB, taking one in the second round is stupid because it means you don't believe in them enough to take them in the first round while at the same time undermining your current QB.

You can take a guy like Hurts, for instance, when you don't already have a quarterback. But if they truly thought he'd be a franchise player, they were stupid to wait until the second to get him, just in the same way the Cowboys were stupid to wait for Dak and got extremely lucky to get him where they did. Any team who gets a franchise QB after the first 10 picks or so just got lucky.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The point isn't whether or not you can get a good player outside of the first round. The point is that if you have a franchise QB, taking one in the second round is stupid because it means you don't believe in them enough to take them in the first round while at the same time undermining your current QB.

You can take a guy like Hurts, for instance, when you don't already have a quarterback. But if they truly thought he'd be a franchise player, they were stupid to wait until the second to get him, just in the same way the Cowboys were stupid to wait for Dak and got extremely lucky to get him where they did. Any team who gets a franchise QB after the first 10 picks or so just got lucky.

You can play that game with any position. If Dallas was so high on Mazi Smith, why didn’t they trade up into the top 10 to get him? Because they knew he’d be there at 26. It has just as much to do with what you see in him as it does what others see in him. Teams covet players differently. There is risk with Hooker, but also great benefit. That is why he was a day 2 pick.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You can play that game with any position. If Dallas was so high on Mazi Smith, why didn’t they trade up into the top 10 to get him? Because they knew he’d be there at 26. It has just as much to do with what you see in him as it does what others see in him. Teams covet players differently. There is risk with Hooker, but also great benefit. That is why he was a day 2 pick.

You can't do it with any position because they don't all have the same positional value. Nothing matters without a quarterback, so it's dumb to wait and just hope teams don't take your guy.

There is a large element of luck with the draft, and team building in general, but you are shorthanding yourself if you try to get cute at quarterback.