Refs really don't call the games the same

[ETex]

Agreed.

Heck, if there really were a purposeful bias we would be in the playoffs every year. You think someone is purposely trying to make the team that gets far and away the best TV ratings lose?

It's been my experience that when you can't make sense of something, it's best to stand back and look at who profits.

We know it's not the TV networks - Cowboys are a ratings hit
We know it's not Jones - though he'd buy them off if he could get away with it
The NFL could probably care less - though the fact that the Cowboys are the only team to have their own Pro Shop to peddle their team merchandise probably grates on them
Is it the Ref themselves? - The only motivation they would have to call more penalties on the Cowboys would be
a. We are a heavily penalized team anyway which puts more emphasis our way
b. We are a heavily publicized team which puts the spotlight on us good/bad
c. They don't like us
d. MONEY - either through bets or fantasy or payoff

If I had to guess; our penchant for penalties is like a self-fulfilling prophesy that gears the refs toward greater scrutiny of each and every one of our mistakes. At the same time, the refs are so worried about what we do that they miss (often) blatant call on our opponents. Plus some of them suck and others are possible on the take.

Short answer, IF WE TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, all these points are moot.

 

[Boyz981]

How about this? Deangelo Hall went to his knees twice (on highlights alone) and presumably wasn't flagged for it (since he did it twice)-- once after his INT for a TD, and another time after another INT. I'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but I get tired teams receiving amnesty for blantant things we're flagged for by committing them to the smallest degree.

Still, if we weren't so dumb, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Aikman pointed it out, after the TD. And said it should be a penalty!var geo_Partner = 'e05b1eac-2867-4e25-8030-b9fe4967719c'; var geo_isCG = true;

 

[Don Corleone]

What does this mean? I hear it all the time, but...

Officials only work during games...and then what do they do in the offseason?

I just don't get what the means...

Care to explain how that would make a difference?

They are Lawyers, dentists, male strippers monday through friday. Refs on weekends.

 

[5Stars]

They are Lawyers, dentists, male strippers monday through friday. Refs on weekends.

I know that...but what I'm asking is, what is a full time ref supposed to do during the week? Re-read the offical handbook, again? Review film? What?

What does a full time ref do during the off season?

Just like players, you can practice the game, look at film, listen to a coach, but on gameday all that goes out the window during the course of the game, and mistakes are made. Just look at the Cowboys.

Again, what is a "full time ref" going to do that might make a change in the calls during a game when they are just as human and sometimes as stupid some players are?

I just don't get how this would prevent better calls, when, really, most of the penalties are legit...like Miles pushing off on a TD catch that he really did not have to do...

Someone needs to explain to me just what a full time ref does on a full time basis?



Sdog threw it out there...I asked him...then he took off without answering.

 

[Everson24]

I think they are human and imperfect. I think the blame lies with the NFL for not employing full time officials.

I dont see any favoritism. I see poor job performance all around but in the end, it's still an excuse for losing.

If you don't see it then you apparently don't watch any Cowboys or Steelers games because even Stevie Wonder could see the difference in the way the games are called.

 

[BIGDen]

Yep. I didn't think either celebration penalty on us should have been called, but I don't think they're targeting the Cowboys for no reason. I think it's because they have a stigma attached as a team that commits a lot of penalties. The only way to get rid of that stigma is to start playing more mistake-free football.

That's fine. We certainly are sloppy and deserve many of the calls against us. I personally believe most football fans (including refs) hate the Cowboys. If you're not a Cowboys fan, you hate them. I believe that's part of the reason they are so heavily penalized. But even if the reputation thing is the reason, explain to me why the low # of penalties called on our opponents. Tennessee was having major penalty problems, but they go to Dallas and are almost penalty-free. Our opponents almost always have fewer calls against them when playing us vs. when they play the rest of the league. We've had numerous threads with the official stats that back this up.

I've watched football for over 30 years and there is NO DOUBT, in my mind, that teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Colts get favorable officiating more often than not. The Steelers would likely have at least 2 fewer Lombardis if it weren't for getting some amazing calls in the SB (vs. Seattle, us, and even the Cards)

 

[wood28]

how to fix this? ... what could be the solution to disparity in the refs minds?. Seriously this makes me sick.

 

[wood28]

If you don't see it then you apparently don't watch any Cowboys or Steelers games because even Stevie Wonder could see the difference in the way the games are called.

:laugh2:

 

[blindzebra]

I know that...but what I'm asking is, what is a full time ref supposed to do during the week? Re-read the offical handbook, again? Review film? What?

What does a full time ref do during the off season?

Just like players, you can practice the game, look at film, listen to a coach, but on gameday all that goes out the window during the course of the game, and mistakes are made. Just look at the Cowboys.

Again, what is a "full time ref" going to do that might make a change in the calls during a game when they are just as human and sometimes as stupid some players are?

I just don't get how this would prevent better calls, when, really, most of the penalties are legit...like Miles pushing off on a TD catch that he really did not have to do...

Someone needs to explain to me just what a full time ref does on a full time basis?



Sdog threw it out there...I asked him...then he took off without answering.

MLB and the NBA have full time officials, but their seasons consist of around 70 games each in the NBA and 145 in MLB. It makes no financial sense for the NFL to go to full time officials and frankly it would do very little to improve officiating.

 

[Cover 2]

That's fine. We certainly are sloppy and deserve many of the calls against us. I personally believe most football fans (including refs) hate the Cowboys. If you're not a Cowboys fan, you hate them. I believe that's part of the reason they are so heavily penalized. But even if the reputation thing is the reason, explain to me why the low # of penalties called on our opponents. Tennessee was having major penalty problems, but they go to Dallas and are almost penalty-free. Our opponents almost always have fewer calls against them when playing us vs. when they play the rest of the league. We've had numerous threads with the official stats that back this up.

I've watched football for over 30 years and there is NO DOUBT, in my mind, that teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Colts get favorable officiating more often than not. The Steelers would likely have at least 2 fewer Lombardis if it weren't for getting some amazing calls in the SB (vs. Seattle, us, and even the Cards)

My guess is the refs are focusing so much on our guys, that they some times miss penalties that other teams are committing. A recent example is Mike Jenkins. The refs follow him so closely now that if another penalty were to happen nearby, they wouldn't see it due to tunnel vision. Same with the rest of the team.

 

[5Stars]

MLB and the NBA have full time officials, but their seasons consist of around 70 games each in the NBA and 145 in MLB. It makes no financial sense for the NFL to go to full time officials and frankly it would do very little to improve officiating.

That's how I feel, blindzebra. And, it's good to hear from someone that actully refs game...basketball if I remember.

But, I've heard this time and time again about having a full time ref...and it makes absoutely no sense, unless someone else can refute what you and I think about it?

 

[ConstantReboot]

+1

Don't get me started on the Steelers/Fins game

Yes I saw that play and your right. I also notice that there is alot of bumping going on with the Patriots past the 5 yard marker and yet no call.

 

[wood28]

MLB and the NBA have full time officials, but their seasons consist of around 70 games each in the NBA and 145 in MLB. It makes no financial sense for the NFL to go to full time officials and frankly it would do very little to improve officiating.

even if they are full time or not,has nothing to do with the disparity, If i have control in this thing, I suspend bad refs, somethin has to be done.

 

[burmafrd]

unless I am mistaken the NFL is the only pro league that does not have full time officials.

NBA regular season goes from October to April; then half the teams make the playoffs. Which last another month plus. Its also 82 games not counting playoffs or exhibitions.

MLB has 162 and goes april to october; not counting pre or post season.

So the off time of a NFL ref would be basically the middle of Feb to the middle of june. Since they would need a month to get ready as the players do. That is not much more than teachers get now. AND being full time they can be forced to watch film during the offseason showing their mistakes.

 

[5Stars]

even if they are full time or not,has nothing to do with the disparity, If i have control in this thing, I suspend bad refs, somethin has to be done.

There does seem to be some really questionable calls that the Cowboys get that maybe other team don't get.

But, how about laying as much blame or more on the players and coaches of this team? Because, as much as we like out Boyz, you have to admit, most of those calls are because of just plain stupid play.

Just for conversation, which calls against the Cowboys that you think were the wrong call? Don't compare it to other teams...just the Boyz. What calls have been wrong?

 

[VietCowboy]

even if they are full time or not,has nothing to do with the disparity, If i have control in this thing, I suspend bad refs, somethin has to be done.

They need to do more to ensure that ref error is as minimal as possible, including having MORE cameras in place.

 

[tyke1doe]

These same type accusations were made by other teams when it involved the 90s Cowboys.

Start winning and refs will appear to give even the Cowboys the benefit of the doubt.

Right now, it sounds like a bunch of whining, which essentially translates it crying because the Cowboys aren't really a good team right now.

And we know whose fault that is.

 

[5Stars]

unless I am mistaken the NFL is the only pro league that does not have full time officials.

NBA regular season goes from October to April; then half the teams make the playoffs. Which last another month plus. Its also 82 games not counting playoffs or exhibitions.

MLB has 162 and goes april to october; not counting pre or post season.

So the off time of a NFL ref would be basically the middle of Feb to the middle of june. Since they would need a month to get ready as the players do. That is not much more than teachers get now. AND being full time they can be forced to watch film during the offseason showing their mistakes.

You mean like the players are supposed to do during the season to show their mistakes, yet the Cowboys get a flag for illegal substitution?

A full time ref can fix that?

 

[5Stars]

These same type accusations were made by other teams when it involved the 90s Cowboys.

Start winning and refs will appear to give even the Cowboys the benefit of the doubt.

Right now, it sounds like a bunch of whining, which essentially translates it crying because the Cowboys aren't really a good team right now.

And we know whose fault that is.

:starspin

 

[wood28]

There does seem to be some really questionable calls that the Cowboys get that maybe other team don't get.

But, how about laying as much blame or more on the players and coaches of this team? Because, as much as we like out Boyz, you have to admit, most of those calls are because of just plain stupid play.

Just for conversation, which calls against the Cowboys that you think were the wrong call? Don't compare it to other teams...just the Boyz. What calls have been wrong?

Agree, but this refs problem its not only to the cowboys, Im talking about entire NFL, they have very bad calls, you see the steelers call today? cmon this needs to stop now ................
hhoo lord let me check my recorded games, Im pretty sure Can tell you many plays xD