Reports: Weapons, ammo seized at Burress' home

[Longboysfan]

I know I may be in the minority on this, but I think our legal system is in a whacked out condition at the moment.

How in the world do you have convicted child molesters back on the streets and we hunt down a guy who discharges a gun into his own leg to the full limits of the law and try to make an example of him? I still feel the same way about the Michael Vick situation. I do NOT support cruelty to animals. And I do NOT support gambling of any sort, much less illegal gambling. But to have Mike Vick in prison to satisfy PETA types (and yes I do believe there was an element of this involved in his case) while we allow criminals to run around free who have perpetrated crimes AGAINST PEOPLE is insane.

Like I said, I know there are many who disagree, and to each his own, but I just think it speaks to where our mindset is as a nation right now. We are heavily slanted toward the PC crowd and common sense takes a back seat.

It will make press if the charge him.

My problem is who was at the gate at Fort Burriss when the cops came?

Kids man the gate - I'll hold them off from the upstairs.....

 

[masomenos]

Edit: Damn, I wrote 'Bear" too. It's infectious.

"Bear" arms is correct, actually.

 

[rcaldw]

What criminals are running around and are you saying the authorities KNOW they are criminals and refuse to arrest them?

You aren't aware that we have people living in neighborhoods all across America that have multiple convictions when it comes to abusing children, yet they continue to be released back into society?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl...5/child-molester-given-probation-because.html

And that was with a very quick google search on child molesters getting probation.

Do the search yourself and you will see countless examples.

 

[BigDFan5]

In Texas he does not even reach the rank of amtuer with that collection of weapons.

Thats no lie, I read the list and said to myself "thats all"

 

[masomenos]

Thats no lie, I read the list and said to myself "thats all"

Hillbilly.

 

[BigDFan5]

Hillbilly.

I prefer Hi Tech Redneck

 

[5Countem5]

You aren't aware that we have people living in neighborhoods all across America that have multiple convictions when it comes to abusing children, yet they continue to be released back into society?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl...5/child-molester-given-probation-because.html

And that was with a very quick google search on child molesters getting probation.

Do the search yourself and you will see countless examples.

Well, those guys get SENTENCED to specific periods of time incarcerated or on probation. Once they do their time, it's really unfair to keep them jailed. They served their sentence or are on probation-which is their sentence.

And basing the criminal justice system on the theory that minor crimes should not be prosecuted until all the major ones are rectified is a poor plan.

 

[rcaldw]

Well, those guys get SENTENCED to specific periods of time incarcerated or on probation. Once they do their time, it's really unfair to keep them jailed. They served their sentence or are on probation-which is their sentence.

And basing the criminal justice system on the theory that minor crimes should not be prosecuted until all the major ones are rectified is a poor plan.

I just think you like to argue. First off, if you read my post carefully you would have seen I said "convicted". That means they went through the legal system. Do you understand what I am saying? Agree with it or disagree with it, what I am saying is that CHILD MOLESTERS are perpetrating crimes AGAINST PEOPLE and MANY of them ARE NOT SEEING JAIL TIME FOR IT. Mike Vick saw prison time immediately for what he did, and YES, I am aware that it involved other issues like gambling, but I still believe the PC, PETA concerns had a lot to do with how that case was prosecuted. And now lets see if Burress gets the full wrath of the law for shooting himself in the leg with a gun that he didn't have properly registered? Is it right to carry that firearm? No. But will there be any common sense here and some probation for him? Let see. Meanwhile, monsters who act against CHILDREN walk around free on probation.

Stupid if you ask me. Simple point that I made. Agree with it or disagree with it. Am I to understand that you think that crimes against children are minor in comparison with what Burress has done? Or,do you believe they are both minor or both major? If you believe they are both major then do you agree with child molesters getting probation if Burress gets jail time?

I believe what Burress has done is minor IN COMPARISON with child molestation. So, for me to see child abusers walk around free while Burress goes to jail would be frustrating to me, and I think it is wrong headed and speaks to where our justice system is. READ THE ARTICLE that was referenced earlier.

 

[Jon88]

Welcome to the Tank Johnson School of Stupidity.
Here you'll learn how to screw your career, while spending thousands on arms, that you won't be able to keep.

When you graduate, a stint in the slammer is a possibility as well as ending up on the Cowboys roster.

Tuition is free.

He'll be on our roster the second he's released from jail.

 

[5Countem5]

I just think you like to argue. First off, if you read my post carefully you would have seen I said "convicted". That means they went through the legal system. Do you understand what I am saying? Agree with it or disagree with it, what I am saying is that CHILD MOLESTERS are perpetrating crimes AGAINST PEOPLE and MANY of them ARE NOT SEEING JAIL TIME FOR IT. Mike Vick saw prison time immediately for what he did, and YES, I am aware that it involved other issues like gambling, but I still believe the PC, PETA concerns had a lot to do with how that case was prosecuted. And now lets see if Burress gets the full wrath of the law for shooting himself in the leg with a gun that he didn't have properly registered? Is it right to carry that firearm? No. But will there be any common sense here and some probation for him? Let see. Meanwhile, monsters who act against CHILDREN walk around free on probation.

Stupid if you ask me. Simple point that I made. Agree with it or disagree with it. Am I to understand that you think that crimes against children are minor in comparison with what Burress has done? Or,do you believe they are both minor or both major? If you believe they are both major then do you agree with child molesters getting probation if Burress gets jail time?

I believe what Burress has done is minor IN COMPARISON with child molestation. So, for me to see child abusers walk around free while Burress goes to jail would be frustrating to me, and I think it is wrong headed and speaks to where our justice system is. READ THE ARTICLE that was referenced earlier.

The justice system allows for, in certain circumstances, probation. If you want to say that your prosecutor's office, judges and defense attorneys should have no leeway in sentencing and in making deals then your concept of the criminal justice system is too remedial for me to try and argue with.

I don't know the specifics when some get probation and why some don't but I am not so arrogant to call it wrong when I don't know the specifics. I know some child-abuse cases involve pedophiles and some involve other situations- like a boyfriend at 18 and girlfriend at 14.

I guess you should work through a grass-roots movement to have the laws changed so that ALL criminals do pen-time. You can single-handedly grind the justice system to a halt by requiring a jury trial in every case.

 

[5Countem5]

Am I to understand that you think that crimes against children are minor in comparison with what Burress has done?

I think that those two crimes have NO bearing on each other. They are crimes. They are to be handled according to the law. One has no bearing on the other. Why would it?

 

[DallasEast]

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[rcaldw]

The justice system allows for, in certain circumstances, probation. If you want to say that your prosecutor's office, judges and defense attorneys should have no leeway in sentencing and in making deals then your concept of the criminal justice system is too remedial for me to try and argue with.

I don't know the specifics when some get probation and why some don't but I am not so arrogant to call it wrong when I don't know the specifics. I know some child-abuse cases involve pedophiles and some involve other situations- like a boyfriend at 18 and girlfriend at 14.

I guess you should work through a grass-roots movement to have the laws changed so that ALL criminals do pen-time. You can single-handedly grind the justice system to a halt by requiring a jury trial in every case.

Do you even read another person's comments or just start typing?

I AM THE ONE arguing for common sense. I AM THE ONE arguing that Burress SHOULDN'T go to jail.

What does that mean? That means that when you have a situation like you described, where you have an 18 year old with a 14 year old girl friend, and there wasn't a rape situation, etc, etc, etc, I would want common sense to rule, which means those in authority have LEEWAY in sentencing. Savvy?

When you have a pedophile perpetrating a sexual, predatory crime against a child, THEY SHOULD BE LOCKED UP. Savvy?

Have you read the article yet? Probably not. What you will find is that there are HORRIBLE crimes that are not being prosecuted with jail time. Meanwhile, you have a professional football player who hasn't, to my knowledge, done one thing against society except fire a gun into his own leg, like Barney Fife, and you have the Mayor of New York saying he wants him prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...yor_bloomberg_fuming_over_plaxico_shoo-3.html

It is not just Burress specific, it is a general concern about our society. Is it arrogant to have such a concern? I think not. I think it is arrogant to bypass my words completely and just construct your own reality to make a straw man argument.

And I only use pedophiles as my example because, to me, it is such an easy contrast to make with what Mike Vick did. He abused ANIMALS. Should that be prosecuted? YES. But does it compare with crimes against our children? NO.

Lets be more concerned with children than animals. Sound ok with you? We can be concerned with both, I'm ok with that. But if we are going to show disregard for one crime or the other, then lets err on the side of our children. I would rather see the dog fighter on probation and the pedophile in jail.

 

[rcaldw]

I think that those two crimes have NO bearing on each other. They are crimes. They are to be handled according to the law. One has no bearing on the other. Why would it?

My point is that they are connected in this way. One, in the news recently, is being pursued with great vengeance and it is probably going to result in jail time. The other, in a news article that I linked for you, is, in some cases, largely being ignored.

Is that correct? Is that how it should be? That is my point.

 

[5Countem5]

Actually, it's you missing the point. And I do not really need to read articles about prosecutions, believe me.

One crime and it's punishment has nothing to do with the other. For you to rant and rave about a child molester getting probation and, say, a thief getting jail time is wrong. Each case should be looked at on it's own merit, on what the community thinks, on what the evidence shows or doesn't show.

Why do you think a child molester would get probation? What would possess an honest, hard-working prosecutor, who makes a fraction of what his law-school classmates make, grant probation to a child molester?

 

[rcaldw]

Actually, it's you missing the point. And I do not really need to read articles about prosecutions, believe me.

One crime and it's punishment has nothing to do with the other. For you to rant and rave about a child molester getting probation and, say, a thief getting jail time is wrong. Each case should be looked at on it's own merit, on what the community thinks, on what the evidence shows or doesn't show.

Why do you think a child molester would get probation? What would possess an honest, hard-working prosecutor, who makes a fraction of what his law-school classmates make, grant probation to a child molester?

In some cases we have witnessed in this nation, the answer to your question is, a liberal mindset and social agenda. I don't know that I can say that about prosecutors, but I can say that about some judges. Any way, lets not argue about it, we just see it differently, and I'm ok with that. You have a merry Christmas.

 

[5Countem5]

In some cases we have witnessed in this nation, the answer to your question is, a liberal mindset and social agenda. I don't know that I can say that about prosecutors, but I can say that about some judges. Any way, lets not argue about it, we just see it differently, and I'm ok with that. You have a merry Christmas.

As a close, let me just say that each case is not the same. There are problems in every case, the reliability of victims is not always cut and dried, the evidence may not support the story BUT even in those cases there is the knowledge that the crime has happened and that SOMETHING, ANYTHING has to be done. Probation, which is no cakewalk here, may be a huge victory for society. That's why these discrepancies exist.

You have a great Christmas too!!!!

 

[casmith07]

Nothing wrong with guns and we do have the right to bear arms in good old New Jersey, so I don't know what the problem is with Burress, aside from carrying one around and shooting himself and stockpiling them.

They're probably not registered, which once you do that, you're free to buy as many as you like.

Edit: Damn, I wrote 'Bear" too. It's infectious.

the correct word is "bear".

Just wanted to add there's nothing wrong with stockpiling all the weapons you want, as long as you properly register them.

 

[casmith07]

Lets be more concerned with children than animals. Sound ok with you? We can be concerned with both, I'm ok with that. But if we are going to show disregard for one crime or the other, then lets err on the side of our children. I would rather see the dog fighter on probation and the pedophile in jail.

 

[ladiewolve]

TOTOWA, N.J. – The bloody pants that Plaxico Burress wore when he accidentally shot himself last month, plus a handgun, a rifle and an assortment of ammunition were seized Tuesday by authorities from the home of the New York Giants receiver.
In addition to a 9-mm handgun, a .30-06-caliber rifle and the ammunition, including a clip for a .45 gun, police also said they recovered the sneakers that Burress wore during the accidental shooting during the three-hour search of the Super Bowl star's Totowa home.
Investigators are trying to determine whether the weapons are registered, so it is unclear whether Burress will face additional charges.
Totowa police chief Robert Coyle said it would is hard to successfully prosecute someone if they have legally registered weapons in one state and stored them in New Jersey.
Burress still faces two felony gun-possession charges following the accidental shooting at a Manhattan nightclub last month.
Benjamin Brafman, the receiver's criminal attorney, said Wednesday morning that he believed that only a registered rifle was taken from the home. He did not know whether Burress would face additional charges.
"We have not had a chance to review this new information," Brafman said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday morning. "When we do, we will have additional comment."
Burress was not at home during the search by Totowa police, four New York City detectives and a Brafman associate, Coyle said, adding the player's wife was present.
Brafman said his client was out of town but did not elaborate.
The New York Post reported that authorities discovered a suitcase full of money, but Coyle said that was not true.
Burress accidentally shot himself in the right thigh at the Latin Quarter nightclub on Nov. 29 when he fumbled with an unlicensed handgun tucked into the waistband of his sweat pants. He checked himself into New York-Cornell Hospital and later turned himself in to police.
The Giants suspended Burress for the rest of the season and also withheld $1 million owed to him as part of his signing bonus.
Burress is due back in court March 31 and faces up to 3 1/2 years in prison on each count.
Burress was also sued last week in Florida's Broward County Circuit Court for rear-ending a woman in May while driving his nearly $140,000 Mercedes-Benz.
According to a document provided by the woman's attorney, his car insurance lapsed three days before the crash. A letter from Allstate says Burress neglected to pay his premiums.