Reserve OL

[Biggems]

Our starting OL looks to be pretty darn good. Hopefully the injury flu that has decimated our defense can be kept far away from our starters along the OL, cause our reserves just flat out suck, at least at the OT position.

All I know is, if I am Jones and Jones, I have all kinds of interest come cut day. There has to be some quality at the OT position that will be released. Hopefully we can pounce and grab two of them to backup Smith and Free. A department store mannequin would be more effective and impressive than any of the scrub back-ups we have out there on the edge protecting our QBs and block in the running game.

For the last two years, I have been wanting more OTs drafted and brought in as UDFAs, unfortunately, we have passed. Now we are razor thin at the position and it may come back to bite us.

 

[CCBoy]

Our starting OL looks to be pretty darn good. Hopefully the injury flu that has decimated our defense can be kept far away from our starters along the OL, cause our reserves just flat out suck, at least at the OT position.

All I know is, if I am Jones and Jones, I have all kinds of interest come cut day. There has to be some quality at the OT position that will be released. Hopefully we can pounce and grab two of them to backup Smith and Free. A department store mannequin would be more effective and impressive than any of the scrub back-ups we have out there on the edge protecting our QBs and block in the running game.

For the last two years, I have been wanting more OTs drafted and brought in as UDFAs, unfortunately, we have passed. Now we are razor thin at the position and it may come back to bite us.

I hope you are right, that would be the best of all worlds. My guess, having seen quite a few seasons of pickups following cuts, is that this often is a tough pursuit. Then there is cap considerations, as those players have no experience in scheme or with the current players. So, contracts are looked upon the second week of the season. That impact is a lessened window of opportunity for success and being integrated as well.

From the start, the starters are solid and backups are functional at this point. That's up from what it was the past four seasons.

 

[reddyuta]

so the 9ers drafted Carlos hyde,how many RBs do they need?

 

[Corso]

Parnell went from looking like a stud to a straight dud.
Terrible.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Now we are razor thin at the position and it may come back to bite us.

Now? Right now or for the past 2-3 years now?

 

[casmith07]

Ideally our entire OL won't get hurt at once so the depth doesn't worry me that much, but as a unit they looked horrible.

 

[xwalker]

Our starting OL looks to be pretty darn good. Hopefully the injury flu that has decimated our defense can be kept far away from our starters along the OL, cause our reserves just flat out suck, at least at the OT position.

All I know is, if I am Jones and Jones, I have all kinds of interest come cut day. There has to be some quality at the OT position that will be released. Hopefully we can pounce and grab two of them to backup Smith and Free. A department store mannequin would be more effective and impressive than any of the scrub back-ups we have out there on the edge protecting our QBs and block in the running game.

For the last two years, I have been wanting more OTs drafted and brought in as UDFAs, unfortunately, we have passed. Now we are razor thin at the position and it may come back to bite us.

Did you watch all snaps by the OTs? Parnell had about 2 bad plays. Tyron had about 2 bad plays. Parnell played more snaps. The defender that beat Parnell on that most significant play was a veteran that has played a lot the past 3 years. He was not a scrub.

Add to the equation that Parnell was playing though a knee injury because they didn't want to put any of the other OTs at LT. Garrett originally said that Parnell would be out due to the injury, but he did milk it like Claiborne and stepped up and played though it.

Parnell had several good plays, but you have to focus on the OTs not on the ball to see them. They ran right behind him on one of the TDs.

Wetzel was not terrible this week or last week. He had some issues, but he could probably get you through a game playing RT.

Wetzel came out at some point while Parnell stayed in to the end. The RT that came in after Wetzel was a problem, but he is just a camp body.

 

[Corso]

Did you watch all snaps by the OTs? Parnell had about 2 bad plays. Tyron had about 2 bad plays. Parnell played more snaps. The defender that beat Parnell on that most significant play was a veteran that has played a lot the past 3 years. He was not a scrub.

Add to the equation that Parnell was playing though a knee injury because they didn't want to put any of the other OTs at LT. Garrett originally said that Parnell would be out due to the injury, but he did milk it like Claiborne and stepped up and played though it.

Parnell had several good plays, but you have to focus on the OTs not on the ball to see them. They ran right behind him on one of the TDs.

Wetzel was not terrible this week or last week. He had some issues, but he could probably get you through a game playing RT.

Wetzel came out at some point while Parnell stayed in to the end. The RT that came in after Wetzel was a problem, but he is just a camp body.

OK- I respect that.
I respect your analysis more than almost anyone I have come across.
But I ask- where is the TERRIBLE play we've been seeing when the 2nd stringers come in come from?

If Parnell only goofed twice and Wetzel only goofed twice- why do the tackles appear so darn cruddy?
Is it the Guards not doing their job? I obviously don't know.

You my man X. I need you to show some light on this for me.
What is root problem of the backup OL players?
Why do they appear so bad?

 

[Alexander]

Parnell went from looking like a stud to a straight dud.
Terrible.

When did he look like a stud?

Oh yes, when people imagined he was good based off a decent regular season stint two years ago because they "watched the film".

People seem to forget when Javier Collins shut down Michael Strahan for one magical Sunday once and was a complete waste thereafter.

 

[Corso]

When did he look like a stud?

Oh yes, when people imagined he was good based off a decent regular season stint two years ago because they "watched the film".

People seem to forget when Javier Collins shut down Michael Strahan for one magical Sunday once and was a complete waste thereafter.

You're a joy Alex.
A beautiful ray of sunshine upon all of us to enjoy.
Keep shining your light friend.

 

[Alexander]

You're a joy Alex.
A beautiful ray of sunshine upon all of us to enjoy.
Keep shining your light friend.

Sorry it is unpleasant to acknowledge the truth, but anyone expecting Jeremy Parnell to be a possible starting tackle or even quality reserve is fooling themselves.

There is a reason we drafted Martin and it is due to his versatility.

And Corso, I find it tough to believe that you stand by that "stud" comment.

 

[Risen Star]

Parnell was never any good. He just was in the mix briefly to potentially battle a terrible Doug Free.

Yeah, we're thin along the OL. But three years ago we had practically nothing. So great progress has been made.

 

[Corso]

Sorry it is unpleasant to acknowledge the truth, but anyone expecting Jeremy Parnell to be a possible starting tackle or even quality reserve is fooling themselves.

There is a reason we drafted Martin and it is due to his versatility.

And Corso, I find it tough to believe that you stand by that "stud" comment.

I didn't say he was a stud.
I said there was a time when he looked like a stud.
There was a moment there. I acknowledged those reports from the past.

And then I acknowledged he turned out to be a dud.
Where did I not acknowledge the truth?
Did I say I think he is a stud?
Where the heck did your reading comprehension go?
Was it replaced by prejudice?
Don't answer that- you already did,

 

[Corso]

Parnell was never any good. He just was in the mix briefly to potentially battle a terrible Doug Free.

Yeah, we're thin along the OL. But three years ago we had practically nothing. So great progress has been made.

Exactly.
He was most likely being compared favorably next to a struggling Free.
Reports were that Parnell was outperforming Free.

I acknowledged those reports Alex.
Acknowledged- maybe I should provide a definition, but I think you already know.
I didn't say they were gospel.

Thank you Risen for helping my point.

 

[Bluestang]

Parnell was never any good. He just was in the mix briefly to potentially battle a terrible Doug Free.

Yeah, we're thin along the OL. But three years ago we had practically nothing. So great progress has been made.

And even now, Doug Free is the weakest link on the unit.

Meanwhile, Parnell will probably win the backup job because we lack depth to kick him to the street.

Brandon Weeden probably hates Parnell after yesterday.

The defense of Parnell is amazing to me...

- First he beat out Doug Free when they rotated series but yet Doug Free still remains the starter.
- Parnell played through a knee issue, hence why he sucks but the reports where that he sucked way before the injury. And then he played 3/4 of the game on an injured knee?
- Parnell is the longest tenured Cowboy who is not a full time starter.

Am I missing anything?

 

[xwalker]

OK- I respect that.
I respect your analysis more than almost anyone I have come across.
But I ask- where is the TERRIBLE play we've been seeing when the 2nd stringers come in come from?

If Parnell only goofed twice and Wetzel only goofed twice- why do the tackles appear so darn cruddy?
Is it the Guards not doing their job? I obviously don't know.

You my man X. I need you to show some light on this for me.
What is root problem of the backup OL players?
Why do they appear so bad?

It was more than twice with Wetzel. Also, Wetzel was replaced at some point by Aladenoye.

I saw several failures from Goodin and Tribue. They were some rushers that did get picked up by RBs or TEs. They were occasions where the QB just held the ball too long.

The problem with 2nd/3rd sting OLines is that even if each individual player does OK, they are not all going to be in sync with each other and with the RBs and TEs.

I recall one play where Nwaneri was expecting to pass off a rusher to Wetzel but Wetzel didn't initially react. Wetzel then realized that he need to get over but Nwaneri had already taken that rusher when Wetzel did take him. They ended up both blocking that guy while the rusher that Nwaneri was initially going to block ran past. It made it look like Nwaneri failed, but it was really Wetzel that caused the problem.

 

[Alexander]

I didn't say he was a stud.
I said there was a time when he looked like a stud.

So how do you quantify "looking like" and actually "being" a stud?

Waiting for xwalker to tell you so?

 

[Alexander]

Am I missing anything?

Not really.

But you need to assure me you have watched the film.

 

[Bluestang]

Not really.

But you need to assure me you have watched the film.

There are no assurances, because I'm not a pro.

I could be wrong though, and there is nothing wrong with being wrong about a fan based player evaluation.

 

[Corso]

So how do you quantify "looking like" and actually "being" a stud?

Waiting for xwalker to tell you so?

Ha ha! Maybe... He at least gives me more info about players than you ever could hope to.
Why would you even bring him up? Did I? Have I been praising him and it bugs you? Have I been praising him at all?
Funny that you bring up someone outside our conversation without call...

I have admitted many times I could never claim to be an expert in talent evaluation.
I read reports like you and most others and go from there.

There was a time when people there were saying he looked good.

So I stated there was a time when he looked good.

Did I ever say this guy came in and blew the doors off and was carrying us through a game?
No. Nor was I saying he "was" a stud. You're attacking me for a funny reason. I wonder what it is.

I don't know how else to explain this to you Alex. I made a statement and it wasn't wrong.
People observing him were saying he looked like a stud. Did that not happen a few years ago?
Am I fabricating this?