Revisiting Tyler Smith G/T Tulsa

[Cowboyny]

He was only a 1/2 step slow due to lack of technique.
- Physically he has terrific athleticism for a 324 pound player.
- He often didn't even have a kick-step on Pass Pro.
- At times he would step into the pass rusher similar to run blocking.
- Many of his penalties were due to pancaking defenders and landing on top of them.
- He has to learn 'good enough'. He wanted to dominate defenders on every snap.

The Cowboys have to consider him in the 1st.
- The upside is huge and even with his technique issues, I think as a rookie he is an upgrade at LG.
- If he had played OG only in college, I don't think there would be any questions about him as a 1st round pick.
- I actually think that he is a relatively safe pick as an OG.

His OL coach at Tulsa was young and inexperienced.

In an interview, he mentioned OL coach Brandon Hartston or Hartson; however, that must have been High School.
- The Cowboys had a long-snapper on the roster in the 2016 off-season named Brandon Hartson.

His OL coach at Tulsa was Zach Hanson. 2020 was his 1st time an an OL coach.
- He was TEs coach and assistant OL coach in 2018 with OU.
- Prior to that he was a Graduate Assistant for a few years.

Philbin really deserves credit for turning Terrence Steele into a serviceable player, considering how far he has come in yr 2, compared to his rookie season. Imagine what he can do, with a player with such raw physical abilities. GB has a great track record of developing offensive lineman, although Philbin spent more time as the OC, he came into this league as an OL Coach.

Question is, would you or more importantly the Cowboys take such a developmental player in the 1st rd? Usually, their mindset is plug/play impact starter. I think if they would do more of a minor trade down, he would be more of an option if he lasts that long. Tony Pauline, a connected insider said he is expected to go much higher then what others are projecting, that Tenn is eyeing him at 26.

 

[fivetwos]

I so hope you’re right. And that’s there’s anything left by then.

I expect them to add a veteran OL post draft.

No one that's gonna get anyone all pumped up....because, as you ask....who may be left?

Saying this figuring they draft a player to at least compete at LG....they could probably use a Joe Looney type.

If we want to call things a clear upgrade at LG via veteran FA signing....I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.

I think they targeted the starting LG as pick 24 all along, and we will see.

Can't believe I'm saying it but I've completely given up on McGovern. Unless it's purely a LG/RG thing with him, the regression isn't explainable.

 

[Cowboyny]

I’ve only heard a few interviews with him, but he gives me the impression of a humble, thankful young man that wants to go good and be good.

I got that same impression after seeing his interview with NBC Sports, I believe at the combine.

 

[Cowboyny]

We need all positions on the oline
Especially interior.

He has the skillset to start within the interior and eventually kick outside to Tackle. Right now, he is probably the better interior player due to his strength.

 

[Stash]

I expect them to add a veteran OL post draft.

No one that's gonna get anyone all pumped up....because, as you ask....who may be left?

Saying this figuring they draft a player to at least compete at LG....they could probably use a Joe Looney type.

If we want to call things a clear upgrade at LG via veteran FA signing....I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.

I think they targeted the starting LG as pick 24 all along, and we will see.

Can't believe I'm saying it but I've completely given up on McGovern. Unless it's purely a LG/RG thing with him, the regression isn't explainable.

The only potential upgrade that I see still available is Ereck Flowers. And I’ve heard nothing about him out there.

 

[fivetwos]

The only potential upgrade that I see still available is Ereck Flowers. And I’ve heard nothing about him out there.

I dont mind him at guard. At least has tackle experience in a pinch.

Guessing he will get a little more than the 1y/2m that we probably have earmarked for that spot.

 

[john van brocklin]

He has the skillset to start within the interior and eventually kick outside to Tackle. Right now, he is probably the better interior player due to his strength.

Sounds promising !

 

[cowboyec]

I would too, but only if I was sure I could get Sam Williams in the 3rd round. And I can’t be sure of that.

too bad we dont have multiple picks in rd2.
all my guys are there.

 

[Stash]

I dont mind him at guard. At least has tackle experience in a pinch.

Guessing he will get a little more than the 1y/2m that we probably have earmarked for that spot.

I have to think that a $3 million offer would get it done.

 

[Stash]

too bad we dont have multiple picks in rd2.
all my guys are there.

That’s why I’m repeatedly tempted to trade down from 24.

 

[xwalker]

Philbin really deserves credit for turning Terrence Steele into a serviceable player, considering how far he has come in yr 2, compared to his rookie season. Imagine what he can do, with a player with such raw physical abilities. GB has a great track record of developing offensive lineman, although Philbin spent more time as the OC, he came into this league as an OL Coach.

Question is, would you or more importantly the Cowboys take such a developmental player in the 1st rd? Usually, their mindset is plug/play impact starter. I think if they would do more of a minor trade down, he would be more of an option if he lasts that long. Tony Pauline, a connected insider said he is expected to go much higher then what others are projecting, that Tenn is eyeing him at 26.

I'm OK drafting him at #24 if the team is 'sold' on him.
- Moving to OG solves many of his issues.
- I think he can start at LG as a rookie despite the technique issues he has at OT.
- He is just far more powerful and athletic than McGovern.

I would be even more inclined to draft him with a trade down to #32.
- Obviously there would have to be a backup plan in the event that he was drafted before #32.
- I think that there would still be multiple good options at #32 (At least 1 of Green, Jameson Williams or Travis Jones).

 

[xwalker]

The only potential upgrade that I see still available is Ereck Flowers. And I’ve heard nothing about him out there.

Trai Turner
Age 28
Played all 17 regular season games plus the Steelers 1 playoff game last season.
5 straight Pro Bowl seasons with the last one in 2019.

Ereck Flowers is 27 and has never made a Pro Bowl. Turn seem like a better option.

 

[xwalker]

I expect them to add a veteran OL post draft.

No one that's gonna get anyone all pumped up....because, as you ask....who may be left?

Saying this figuring they draft a player to at least compete at LG....they could probably use a Joe Looney type.

If we want to call things a clear upgrade at LG via veteran FA signing....I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.

I think they targeted the starting LG as pick 24 all along, and we will see.

Can't believe I'm saying it but I've completely given up on McGovern. Unless it's purely a LG/RG thing with him, the regression isn't explainable.

I expect it to happen pre-draft. Stephen Jones likes to have those types of players in place to help avoid a tendency to force a pick for need.

 

[Stash]

Trai Turner
Age 28
Played all 17 regular season games plus the Steelers 1 playoff game last season.
5 straight Pro Bowl seasons with the last one in 2019.

Ereck Flowers is 27 and has never made a Pro Bowl. Turn seem like a better option.

Give that a watch if you’re interested. It sounds like Turner is really beat up and his movement skills are shot at this point.

 

[baltcowboy]

Absolutely, I am very surprised they haven't covered themselves.

Maybe they like McGovern and the Nebraska guard better then we do. The Cowboys will draft a guard but maybe they are not as desperate as the Cowboys media makes it out to be. Remember last season the media thought we needed a cornerback. I like to make fun of the trolls who killed the Parsons draft pick but I need to look up the trolling for Diggs and Brown as well.

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm OK drafting him at #24 if the team is 'sold' on him.
- Moving to OG solves many of his issues.
- I think he can start at LG as a rookie despite the technique issues he has at OT.
- He is just far more powerful and athletic than McGovern.

I would be even more inclined to draft him with a trade down to #32.
- Obviously there would have to be a backup plan in the event that he was drafted before #32.
- I think that there would still be multiple good options at #32 (At least 1 of Green, Jameson Williams or Travis Jones).

I agree, moving to the back end of the 1st rd, adding an extra pick would be ideal. 1 of Smith or Jones will probably be there, along with some other intriguing options.

 

[Cowboyny]

Maybe they like McGovern and the Nebraska guard better then we do. The Cowboys will draft a guard but maybe they are not as desperate as the Cowboys media makes it out to be. Remember last season the media thought we needed a cornerback. I like to make fun of the trolls who killed the Parsons draft pick but I need to look up the gate for Diggs and Brown as well.

Also, maybe they know they could sign a particular player if they fail to address the need.

 

[baltcowboy]

Also, maybe they know they could sign a particular player if they fail to address the need.

Maybe but interior linemen appeared to be picked clean in free agency. Broaddus keeps bringing up a trade of one of the 5th rounders. We will see.

 

[Cowboyny]

Maybe but interior linemen appeared to be picked clean in free agency. Broaddus keeps bringing up a trade of one of the 5th rounders. We will see.

Minor trade is also an option, but I don't think we will be talking after day 2 that they haven't filled the need.

 

[Cowboyny]

Sounds promising !

It's an upside pick which carries some risk.