RGIII vs Luck

[casmith07]

They're both great prospects that do things very well.

Any team that needs a QB will be happy to have either one of them. One thing I really like about them both is that along with great talent, they're also great students. Smart, talented QBs = winning QBs.

 

[ringmaster]

Everytime I have watched Luck play he seems to stare down his receivers. And most of his completions seem to be very high-percentage.

With the huge hype around him, I think he is very over rated.

So why the hype?

I think Luck is a good guy. Personable, likable. He looks the part of the big time QB. The media wants to latch on to someone like that to create more interest in their product.

His dad was an atrocious, forgettable, NFL QB.

The media seems to imply something positive with the son due to his father playing in the NFL while ignoring how bad he was.

I think Luck is more likely to be the next Ryan Leaf than RGIII is.

Remember, Ryan Leaf was a "can't miss NFL prospect" too, at one time. And teams kept taking chances on him because of his "measurables". He looked the part.

I don't see Ryan Leaf anywhere in Luck, yes Leaf had million dollar talent but a 10 cent brain.

I agree that the media overrated Luck's value but the media overhype alot of people.

 

[Doomsday101]

Brought this back for fun. lol

 

[LatinMind]

lol the OP hahahahaha

 

[DFWJC]

Better link this quick guys.
No bumping old threads allowed from what I'm told.
I once bumped a thread that was only a few months old and got warned about it.
Seems silly, but rules are rules.

 

[Doomsday101]

Better link this quick guys.
No bumping old threads allowed from what I'm told.
I once bumped a thread that was only a few months old and got warned about it.
Seems silly, but rules are rules.

Did not know it was a violation, just curious what everyones take was in the 2011 draft with RGIII and Luck.

 

[DFWJC]

But for Griffin -- who has yet to declare his intention for next year, on whether he'll be a fifth-year senior or NFL rookie -- the trouble arises not in what scouts can see on film. It's what they can't see

They don't call plays in the huddle. They walk to the line, the play comes from upstairs to the sideline, and it's signaled in," said one NFC executive. "The coordinator upstairs is reading the defense, (Griffin) is not doing that at all.
And in the NFL, you're going to have to be the one reading the defense. You have to know what's going on at all times. And you have to get him under center, taking 3-, 5- and 7-step drops."

One college scout assigned to the Big 12 I spoke to was less enthusiastic about Griffin's prospects than the above execs, but conceded that he's one that some will more than likely fall for over his overwhelming physical gifts

"That offense made things simple on him," said the scout. "Because he's such a running threat, he saw soft coverage, you didn't see defensive ends bending the corner to get him. They played him different to keep him in the pocket, and as a result, he got passing lanes he may not get in the pros. It's a problem, because he's got average-to-below-average size. The Vick comparison is there, because you figure he'll miss games (due to injury), but you can't tell him not to run, because that's what makes him special."

Beyond Baylor's offensive structure, other negatives you get from these evaluators start with Griffin taking hits that aren't necessary. "He's not as big as Cam (Newton) and takes more hits than he should. You wonder if he's trying to be a tough guy ... because he doesn't always play smart," said the first exec.

That was fairly prophetic.

 

[LatinMind]

Did not know it was a violation, just curious what everyones take was in the 2011 draft with RGIII and Luck.

Luck all the way. Griffen looked good his rookie yr but injuries have taken his best asset. His wheels. A runner on bad wheels turns into avg. IN RGs case below avg

 

[Doomsday101]

Luck all the way. Griffen looked good his rookie yr but injuries have taken his best asset. His wheels. A runner on bad wheels turns into avg. IN RGs case below avg

Yes I know this was a thread from 2011 draft day when people here discussed who should go #1. Consensus was Luck. Myself I felt RGIII would have the better rookie season because of his athletic ability but Luck would be the better overall QB. I think my prediction was correct.

 

[LatinMind]

Yes I know this was a thread from 2011 draft day when people here discussed who should go #1. Consensus was Luck. Myself I felt RGIII would have the better rookie season because of his athletic ability but Luck would be the better overall QB. I think my prediction was correct.

I dont think RG was better. He had the better support. Remember Alfred Morris took alot off his shoulders running the way he did his rookie yr. Luck had and still doesnt have a running game.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The issue I saw with RG3 in his rookie season is that he struggled to see over the linemen and doesn't have the footwork to find a passing lane. In his rookie season he would have to use the play fake and suck the LB's way in and then have a wide open pass. To Rob Ryan's credit, he coached the LB's to not allow that to happen in the 2nd time meeting RG3 and he had a terrible game throwing the ball.

I knew that Washington was in trouble when Kyle Shanahan stated that he thought the beauty of the read-option was that it would prevent teams from blitzing. But in reality that is the best way to stop it because it allows the defense to attack the QB and the RB and play-action passes are always hard to pull off against blitzes. I think NFL coaches got a bit too carried with 'assignment football' and some of the dumb stuff that college defenses tried in vain to stop the read-option. Instead of allowing your defenders to get upfield and know their basic gap and containment responsibilities.






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[Doomsday101]

I dont think RG was better. He had the better support. Remember Alfred Morris took alot off his shoulders running the way he did his rookie yr. Luck had and still doesnt have a running game.

That may be the case of the cast around him but fact is he had very good success in year 1 which I felt he would have. I have always felt Luck would become the better QB

 

[IAmLegend]

Everytime I have watched Luck play he seems to stare down his receivers. And most of his completions seem to be very high-percentage.

With the huge hype around him, I think he is very over rated.

So why the hype?

I think Luck is a good guy. Personable, likable. He looks the part of the big time QB. The media wants to latch on to someone like that to create more interest in their product.

His dad was an atrocious, forgettable, NFL QB.

The media seems to imply something positive with the son due to his father playing in the NFL while ignoring how bad he was.

I think Luck is more likely to be the next Ryan Leaf than RGIII is.

Remember, Ryan Leaf was a "can't miss NFL prospect" too, at one time. And teams kept taking chances on him because of his "measurables". He looked the part.