Richard Seymour = Roy Williams

[dmq]

People are bashing Al for giving up a 1st for RS. Look what we just gave up for Roy Williams. I really question the sanity of both these guys. People will argue, but the trade for Roy hurt our ability to move up and down in this draft. Hence we couldn't move around to select who we wanted in this years draft and it all blew up in our face. Hate what I am saying, but Jerry could have easily drafted a Roy Williams in the first round and would have had the flexibility to get who they wanted later in the draft. Instead, we got a greek God to punt for us and nothing else. That should get us to the top of the East. Jerry drives home the point that anyone can become rich.

 

[theogt]

One is entering the prime of his career, the other is on the donwside of it. How is this similar?

And who the heck could we have drafted that equaled Roy Williams?

 

[speedkilz88]

Do you have a crush on Mat McBriar?

 

[Galian Beast]

It was a dumb trade on both the raiders and the patriots sides.

it wont help the raiders much at all, as it will hurt them in the long run.

And it will put an already spiraling defense into complete ineffectiveness for the patriots, and it wont help them a great deal in the future

this is a 2011 pick not 2010

 

[Monster Heel]

It was a dumb trade on both the raiders and the patriots sides.

it wont help the raiders much at all, as it will hurt them in the long run.

And it will put an already spiraling defense into complete ineffectiveness for the patriots, and it wont help them a great deal in the future

this is a 2011 pick not 2010

The defense was going to be bad with or without Seymour, why not rob someone?

 

[Hoofbite]

The defense was going to be with or without Seymour, why not rob someone?

No kiddin. The Pats don't even need a defense.

They picked up a 1st rounder that will probably be top 10.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Roy Williams is a ex-pro bowler in his 20's. Richard Seymour is a 30 year old defensive end who's only getting worse. The Lions trade may prove to be terrible but at this point in Seymour's career he's not worth a 1st rounder. If the Raiders wouldn't have given up a draft pick he would've been cut. Roy still has a season to prove his worth.

 

[dcfanatic]

One is entering the prime of his career, the other is on the donwside of it. How is this similar?

And who the heck could we have drafted that equaled Roy Williams?

I don't think the comparison is fair.

But I don't think Seymour is on the down side of his career.

He's still a very good player.

 

[dcfanatic]

Roy Williams is a ex-pro bowler in his 20's. Richard Seymour is a 30 year old defensive end who's only getting worse. The Lions trade may prove to be terrible but at this point in Seymour's career he's not worth a 1st rounder. If the Raiders wouldn't have given up a draft pick he would've been cut. Roy still has a season to prove his worth.

Seymour is gettin worse?

He had 8 sacks last season as a DE in a 3-4. And he's turning 30 in October.

Whoever thinks Seymour is done already is way off.

The Pats got rid of him because he wanted a huge contract, not because he isn't a good player anymore.

 

[RS12]

Pats robbed Al blind. Seymour is on the downside, was hurt last year, but more importantly the Raiders are multiple players and coaching staff away from being competitive. Russell likely a bust, Cable not gonna lead em any where. The team is an absolute train wreck.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Cheatriots have a history of cutting a player when he starts to slide in ability. This preseason may have shown them that the last remaining year on his contract was going to be at best the last remaining year he would be playing in Foxboro.

 

[dwdj75]

Percy Harvin
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt

Not exactly jumping out at me here.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Pats robbed Al blind. Seymour is on the downside, was hurt last year, but more importantly the Raiders are multiple players and coaching staff away from being competitive. Russell likely a bust, Cable not gonna lead em any where. The team is an absolute train wreck.

Well, at least they didn't trade their franchise QB, keep a total head case for a WR, fire their OC, fire their OC, cause a palace coup to replace their OC, bring in a convicted felon who expects to start behind an incumbent who's "feelings" might get hurt like he did with TO, didn't keep 3 fullbacks on the roster, didn't keep 7 WR's and 9 LBers and only 3 safeties, didn't....oh you get the idea...

Plenty of idiocy to go around these days.

 

[NextGenBoys]

So in one offseason, the Pats have essentially traded a 1st round pick and pass rusher Derrick Burgess for Al Johnson and Richard Seymore.

Wow.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

So in one offseason, the Pats have essentially traded a 1st round pick and pass rusher Derrick Burgess for Al Johnson and Richard Seymore.

Wow.

They got Burgess for 3rd and 5th round picks.

 

[peck-sicilyisland]

So in one offseason, the Pats have essentially traded a 1st round pick and pass rusher Derrick Burgess for Al Johnson and Richard Seymore.

Wow.

The Pats will go hard after Jason Hatcher if he has a good.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Seymour is gettin worse?

He had 8 sacks last season as a DE in a 3-4. And he's turning 30 in October.

Whoever thinks Seymour is done already is way off.

The Pats got rid of him because he wanted a huge contract, not because he isn't a good player anymore.

I don't care about stats. Stats can say what you want. I watched him play last season and he's definately on the downside of his career and there's no surprise he's going to the grave that is Oakland Raiders. Not to mention these past 3 years he's been injury prone.

 

[NextGenBoys]

They got Burgess for 3rd and 5th round picks.

I read it was for Al Johnson???

My mistake

*edit* They released Al Johnson to make room for Burgess on the roster after trading for him

 

[igtmfo]

People are bashing Al for giving up a 1st for RS. Look what we just gave up for Roy Williams. I really question the sanity of both these guys. People will argue, but the trade for Roy hurt our ability to move up and down in this draft. Hence we couldn't move around to select who we wanted in this years draft and it all blew up in our face. Hate what I am saying, but Jerry could have easily drafted a Roy Williams in the first round and would have had the flexibility to get who they wanted later in the draft. Instead, we got a greek God to punt for us and nothing else. That should get us to the top of the East. Jerry drives home the point that anyone can become rich.

Agreed. Bought RW way too high, mid-season when you pay a big premium to acquire players.

The thought was this was a weak draft, including for WR. ... But if you have confidence in your FO you can always find players. ... Or even use extraneous mid-round picks to trade out of the draft like the Pats did this year during the draft, when they got two No. 2 picks next year for peanuts.

Probably our whole draft would have shifted without RW and we would have had the Hakeem Nicks, Max Ungers and other contributors on the 53 this year instead of some of the guys we wound up with a half-round or full round later. Not that RW won't be a big contributor ...

Jerry had visions of a Super Bowl last year, then offloading Owens in the off-season. For both reasons he wanted to pull the trigger.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

My prob. w/ the RW trade is we overpaid. Detroit couldnt tag him and would have done it for a 2nd & change.

For NE, a smart move would have been to actually use Seymour to try and win a SB(then maybe re-sign him if theres no cap). The Pats arent winning a SB now. Their line gets pushed around and they have no running game.

And if the rookie scale isnt put in, what the hell will NE do w/ a top pick?