Rob Ryan and the O line

[burmafrd]

That is what the coming season will pivot on.

How RR uses his new pieces on D and how the O line gets it done (or doesn't)


By any reasonable estimate we have the offense skill people to put it to any D in the league. If the O line can be good we can score 25+ a game.

I see no reason why the D cannot keep our opponents down to around 17 per game. IF RR is as good as he thinks he is. We now have excellent CBs and from all reasonable evaluation solid Safeties. We have Ware and hopefully an improved ILB situation plus a Decent D line.

An 8 point average differential would win us 10-12 games.


On the O line we seem to have improved somewhat at guard with the New FAs and hopefully Arkin getting strong enough.

Tackle is I think good to fine at LT and if Free can get his act back together the same at RT. He was EXCELLENT there in 2009.

Then it comes down to Center.

I just hope that is not the Achilles heal of our Team this year.

 

[fortdick]

Kowalski and Nagy are the two I expect to step it up. Nagy was playing well until getting hurt and Killer showed a lot of promise.

If RR's defense doesn;t produce this year, then we know it isn't the players, its him. They have invested everything into getting him the tools.

 

[Yuma Cactus]

Rob has lots of motivation for his D to be dominate. I, and think he, feels his only chance at a HC job is to not just put a good or solid D on the field but a dominate one. His father had to have a dominate one for a number of years to get his shot and brother Rex also lead a dominate D for a few years to get his. Would love to see Rob get this group elite for the next 2 years then he can have his shot.

 

[Tabascocat]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dexternjack
Which shows they have confidence in what we have now, and I am good with that. Lets get that defense working and make a run deep into the playoffs. If it were opposite and we drafted offense, the defense would have killed them again next season.

Your response:
Romo's aching ribs and hand and everything else says you are of course right

Our lack of rushing TDs also salutes your wisdom

By the way when was the last time Dallas had a 3rd and 1 anywhere and you thought we would make it on the ground?
Las Cruces NM
White Sands NM



Were you not arguing against this post yesterday against me? It seems you did a 180 on your assessment. I said the same thing, our offense is good enough, just needed a better defense. The other way around still would have not worked.

 

[Bluestang]

That is what the coming season will pivot on.

How RR uses his new pieces on D and how the O line gets it done (or doesn't)


By any reasonable estimate we have the offense skill people to put it to any D in the league. If the O line can be good we can score 25+ a game.

I see no reason why the D cannot keep our opponents down to around 17 per game. IF RR is as good as he thinks he is. We now have excellent CBs and from all reasonable evaluation solid Safeties. We have Ware and hopefully an improved ILB situation plus a Decent D line.

An 8 point average differential would win us 10-12 games.


On the O line we seem to have improved somewhat at guard with the New FAs and hopefully Arkin getting strong enough.

Tackle is I think good to fine at LT and if Free can get his act back together the same at RT. He was EXCELLENT there in 2009.

Then it comes down to Center.

I just hope that is not the Achilles heal of our Team this year.

Even with the OL we had last year we had 4 games that we entered in the 4th quarter with a lead. Overall they can get better but when it boils down to it there was enough execution there with that mediocre group. Like you said the two guards should make the overall unit better and we have some young guys in the fold too.

On paper anyways Ryan should have everything he needs to be successful. He will need to hit the ground running with OTAs and the minicamp that way when training camp comes around guys are just putting in work. A large portion of this will be how fast the younger guys can digest the playbook, playcalls, and the speed of the game. This draft was all about getting Rob Ryan all of the key pieces he needs to run his scheme successfully.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dexternjack
Which shows they have confidence in what we have now, and I am good with that. Lets get that defense working and make a run deep into the playoffs. If it were opposite and we drafted offense, the defense would have killed them again next season.

Your response:
Romo's aching ribs and hand and everything else says you are of course right

Our lack of rushing TDs also salutes your wisdom

By the way when was the last time Dallas had a 3rd and 1 anywhere and you thought we would make it on the ground?
Las Cruces NM
White Sands NM



Were you not arguing against this post yesterday against me? It seems you did a 180 on your assessment. I said the same thing, our offense is good enough, just needed a better defense. The other way around still would have not worked.

No, the offense wasn't even close to "good enough". They had an extremely weak schedule last year and strong defenses absolutely killed them(and Romo) reducing their play calling to smoke and mirrors and misdirection. If they are going to become playoff competitive that OL has to improve a great deal,,, as it stands now the OL is a total crapshoot, maybe Callahan can get something more out of the jag FAs, maybe he can conjur up a center,,,, the approach is a total gamble.

 

[viman96]

If you are going to single out Ryan then the same should be done with Callahan. Or mention the players on D should be held accountable as well.

 

[Tabascocat]

No, the offense wasn't even close to "good enough". They had an extremely weak schedule last year and strong defenses absolutely killed them(and Romo) reducing their play calling to smoke and mirrors and misdirection. If they are going to become playoff competitive that OL has to improve a great deal,,, as it stands now the OL is a total crapshoot, maybe Callahan can get something more out of the jag FAs, maybe he can conjur up a center,,,, the approach is a total gamble.

Our offense is good enough as in this upcoming year. Our line got more experience, hopefully better coaching coming in, etc. What I am trying to say is if this past draft was focused on the O-line mainly, we would still be in the same position--the defense still would have killed us, with the only addition of Carr. IMO we are now in a better position to win instead of drafting DeCastro and going in the other direction.

 

[burmafrd]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dexternjack
Which shows they have confidence in what we have now, and I am good with that. Lets get that defense working and make a run deep into the playoffs. If it were opposite and we drafted offense, the defense would have killed them again next season.

Your response:
Romo's aching ribs and hand and everything else says you are of course right

Our lack of rushing TDs also salutes your wisdom

By the way when was the last time Dallas had a 3rd and 1 anywhere and you thought we would make it on the ground?
Las Cruces NM
White Sands NM



Were you not arguing against this post yesterday against me? It seems you did a 180 on your assessment. I said the same thing, our offense is good enough, just needed a better defense. The other way around still would have not worked.

its called accepting reality. I was hoping up until yesterday that we would get some O line help. Did not happen and will not happen. So just have to accept that and hope its good enough.

 

[burmafrd]

Even with the OL we had last year we had 4 games that we entered in the 4th quarter with a lead. Overall they can get better but when it boils down to it there was enough execution there with that mediocre group. Like you said the two guards should make the overall unit better and we have some young guys in the fold too.

On paper anyways Ryan should have everything he needs to be successful. He will need to hit the ground running with OTAs and the minicamp that way when training camp comes around guys are just putting in work. A large portion of this will be how fast the younger guys can digest the playbook, playcalls, and the speed of the game. This draft was all about getting Rob Ryan all of the key pieces he needs to run his scheme successfully.

and if the O line had been better in each of those four games we would have had a shot at being able to run out the clock late on the ground; but we could not. OR we could not give Romo decent protection

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think it was Hos that mentioned that Nagy could be moved to center.

I think bottom line the G-C-G combo this season will be better than last season. How much better?

Don't know.

But there will be improvement.

I also think Free will be better.

Overall the line will be improved.

 

[burmafrd]

If you are going to single out Ryan then the same should be done with Callahan. Or mention the players on D should be held accountable as well.

who is dumb enough not to hold the players accountable?

RR is the guy with the rep and DC; Callahan is in his first year here and is only the OL coach. So why put anywhere near the responsiblity on him? Kind of stupid

 

[burmafrd]

I think it was Hos that mentioned that Nagy could be moved to center.

I think bottom line the G-C-G combo this season will be better than last season. How much better?

Don't know.

But there will be improvement.

I also think Free will be better.

Overall the line will be improved.

how much is indeed the question. Nagy is small for a guard but not as small for a center so he probably has his best shot there.

 

[Tabascocat]

As long as Costa is not anywhere near that starting line-up, I'll support whichever way they go.

 

[burmafrd]

As long as Costa is not anywhere near that starting line-up, I'll support whichever way they go.

If I was Red Ball I would look at Callahan and tell him this is his First Commandment

"ANYONE BUT COSTA."

 

[TheCount]

Kowalski and Nagy are the two I expect to step it up. Nagy was playing well until getting hurt and Killer showed a lot of promise.

If RR's defense doesn;t produce this year, then we know it isn't the players, its him. They have invested everything into getting him the tools.

I don't think Nagy was playing well before he got hurt. In fact the run game improved 10 fold once he went out of the lineup.

 

[LOBO7]

and if the O line had been better in each of those four games we would have had a shot at being able to run out the clock late on the ground; but we could not. OR we could not give Romo decent protection

Or we didnt have the ball last.

They must believe the guys they signed as free agents and the off season advancements of last years Oline has improved to the point that we could go heavy dee in the draft. I think the possibility of signing a vetren center at some point is still out there. They have the luxury of having Jenkins as trade bait for as long as he remains a Cowboy.
Our corners will buy our Dline one more second, that second could change the world for us.


We are headed in the right direction.

 

[sago1]

Callahan has an excellent reputation of getting the best out of his OL players. Don't believe Cowboys would have signed those 2 FA OL players w/o his agreement--although you kinda believe his first choice would have been bringing in a FA OG like Nicks or the other guy. Assume Callahan also spent lot of time studying the play of our OL last year. Gotta believe he sees lot of ability to improve their play which is why Cowboys didn't bother drafting any OL players. Same goes for our resigning backup OT Parnell to 3 year deal. We shall see. Must admit I'd still like to see us bring in a proven vet center who could handle the job while the young ones get up to snuff.

 

[Trajan]

We should be better, but our schedule looks more difficult. We will have to improve enough to overcome harder opponents.

 

[Wood]

That is what the coming season will pivot on.

How RR uses his new pieces on D and how the O line gets it done (or doesn't)


By any reasonable estimate we have the offense skill people to put it to any D in the league. If the O line can be good we can score 25+ a game.

I see no reason why the D cannot keep our opponents down to around 17 per game. IF RR is as good as he thinks he is. We now have excellent CBs and from all reasonable evaluation solid Safeties. We have Ware and hopefully an improved ILB situation plus a Decent D line.

An 8 point average differential would win us 10-12 games.


On the O line we seem to have improved somewhat at guard with the New FAs and hopefully Arkin getting strong enough.

Tackle is I think good to fine at LT and if Free can get his act back together the same at RT. He was EXCELLENT there in 2009.

Then it comes down to Center.

I just hope that is not the Achilles heal of our Team this year.

If Dallas offensive line holds up - they are playoff team.