Robert Griffin III: What are you seeing?

[zrinkill]

If he's available at the back end of the 1st round I hope we draft him and never look back.

As would I ...... the guy is an unbelievable talent with character.

 

[jblaze2004]

after what vick did to us and seeing our offensive line. Give me a QB that can move and will actually run for a couple yards if the defense give's it to him.

 

[realtick]

I think things are getting confused here. Kliff Kingsbury and Graham Harrell didn't suck because they played in the spread... They sucked because they had lousy arms, were too small, didn't have it mentally, etc. -- the same reason college QBs from pro systems fail.

Sam Bradford played in the spread at OU. Does that mean he can't play in the NFL? I don't think so.

What if Troy Aikman had stayed at Oklahoma and ran a lot of option. Would that have made him a worse pro? I can't imagine you think so, but maybe you do.

It seems like you're mixing college stats, which obviously get inflated in any offense that passes all the time, with projecting a QB's ability talent to the NFL.

Kliff Kingsbury's arm wasn't anymore weak than Joe Montana's. Kingsbury and Harrell failed for numerous other reasons, sure Harrell's lack of an arm didn't help his case, but it wasn't what failed him.

If you think Sam Bradford and RGIII ran the same type of spread offense in college you're trippin' Choc. OU ran a spread out offense but also incorporated heavy use of it's running back and had its receivers running more traditional routes/deeper patterns. Perhaps you blazed past my original post, but did you see where I mentioned RGIII threw apx. 21-24 bubble screens in his WRs in the game against OSU (the vast majority of which didn't even pass the LOS). Bradford never played in such an offense as he was constantly throwing down the field. Lol, can most people even name Baylor's running back?

You bring up a what if with Aikman, as if you could gaurantee Aikman would have come out the backend of four years at OU and been the same Aikman we came to know in Dallas. The reality is Aikman opted out of playing in Switzer's spread offense to play in a more traditional scheme at UCLA. That time spent was crucial in his development as a QB.

Are you saying RGIII is a similiar talent to Aikman? How about Bradford? If so, how? If not, why not? It's easy to attempt evoke the this-is-that reasoning, but it's much harder to make those comparisons when scrutinized for actual specific similiarities.

Finally, there's no confusion on my part, I'm not making my case about RGIII based off his college statistics. I don't hold it against him for putting up eye-popping numbers at Baylor. What I am saying is that I'm not fooled or enamored with his college numbers based off of the spread/option system he plays in at Baylor.

RGIII has an uphill battle to succeed at the prolevel based off of the simplified scheme he plays in; the disparity in complexities of a pro offense compared to Baylor's; playing under center; reading NFL defensive coverages; having to throw to receivers that have deeper slower developing routes; being able to pick up his eyes and read multiple patterns and how the secondary is reacting, et cetera.

Yes, every college QB has a learning curve, I'm saying RGIII's is steeper because of his background.

For some reason I think RGIII is getting some Tebow Effect. In other words, people want to believe he'll succeed because "he's a good kid, he's smart, does everything, the type of guy I'd want my daughter to marry..."

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

For some reason I think RGIII is getting some Tebow Effect. In other words, people want to believe he'll succeed because "he's a good kid, he's smart, does everything, the type of guy I'd want my daughter to marry..."

If you were to put Tebow and RGIII next to each other and watch them throw, there'd be absolutely no reason to compare them. RGIII actually has nice form and accuracy. Tebow has a long windup and is all over the place with the ball.

 

[realtick]

If you were to put Tebow and RGIII next to each other and watch them throw, there'd be absolutely no reason to compare them. RGIII actually has nice form and accuracy. Tebow has a long windup and is all over the place with the ball.

Lol, .

Did you actually read what I wrote or just saw the name Tebow and assumed I was comparing the two?

I said I believe there is some "Tebow Effect" phenomena, or whatever you may want to call it in terms of the way some fans view both of these players...to quote myself: "In other words, people want to believe he'll succeed because "he's a good kid, he's smart, does everything, the type of guy I'd want my daughter to marry..." Love him or hate him, we all know Tebow is kid with a lot of character as a person, and by all accounts the same can be said about RGIII. People/fans on a personal level like to see guys like that succeed and I think that plays into how people view them as football players. Conversely, the opposite effect could be found in fans when they dislike a player the way a lot of people did with Cam Newton. They saw a cocky kid with a "fake smile" and some apparent character issues struggle in a passing drill at the combine and declared he was going to be a bust.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Lol, .

Did you actually read what I wrote or just saw the name Tebow and assumed I was comparing the two?

I said I believe there is some "Tebow Effect" phenomena, or whatever you may want to call it in terms of the way some fans view both of these players...to quote myself: "In other words, people want to believe he'll succeed because "he's a good kid, he's smart, does everything, the type of guy I'd want my daughter to marry..." Love him or hate him, we all know Tebow is kid with a lot of character as a person, and by all accounts the same can be said about RGIII. People/fans on a personal level like to see guys like that succeed and I think that plays into how people view them as football players. Conversely, the opposite effect could be found in fans when they dislike a player the way a lot of people did with Cam Newton. They saw a cocky kid with a "fake smile" and some apparent character issues struggle in a passing drill at the combine and declared he was going to be a bust.

I understood what you were getting at. Both are good guys and that causes people to want them to succeed. However, I'm saying that while both are good guys, one actually has a chance to succeed because he actually has the skills necessary to be a QB in the NFL.

 

[realtick]

I understood what you were getting at. Both are good guys and that causes people to want them to succeed. However, I'm saying that while both are good guys, one actually has a chance to succeed because he actually has the skills necessary to be a QB in the NFL.

Well, they are two different QBs with different physical traits. I'm skeptical of RGIII as a pro prospect. Having said that, if I had to choose between the two players in deciding who I was going to invest the time, effort and money, I'd go with RGIII, no question; I think he has a better foundation of skills to work with initially.

On a side note, what's funny is there are some who have commented on this thread who swore Tebow was a legit prospect bound for NFL success prior to the draft.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Kliff Kingsbury's arm wasn't anymore weak than Joe Montana's. Kingsbury and Harrell failed for numerous other reasons, sure Harrell's lack of an arm didn't help his case, but it wasn't what failed him.

If you think Sam Bradford and RGIII ran the same type of spread offense in college you're trippin' Choc. OU ran a spread out offense but also incorporated heavy use of it's running back and had its receivers running more traditional routes/deeper patterns. Perhaps you blazed past my original post, but did you see where I mentioned RGIII threw apx. 21-24 bubble screens in his WRs in the game against OSU (the vast majority of which didn't even pass the LOS). Bradford never played in such an offense as he was constantly throwing down the field. Lol, can most people even name Baylor's running back?

You bring up a what if with Aikman, as if you could gaurantee Aikman would have come out the backend of four years at OU and been the same Aikman we came to know in Dallas. The reality is Aikman opted out of playing in Switzer's spread offense to play in a more traditional scheme at UCLA. That time spent was crucial in his development as a QB.

Are you saying RGIII is a similiar talent to Aikman? How about Bradford? If so, how? If not, why not? It's easy to attempt evoke the this-is-that reasoning, but it's much harder to make those comparisons when scrutinized for actual specific similiarities.

Finally, there's no confusion on my part, I'm not making my case about RGIII based off his college statistics. I don't hold it against him for putting up eye-popping numbers at Baylor. What I am saying is that I'm not fooled or enamored with his college numbers based off of the spread/option system he plays in at Baylor.

RGIII has an uphill battle to succeed at the prolevel based off of the simplified scheme he plays in; the disparity in complexities of a pro offense compared to Baylor's; playing under center; reading NFL defensive coverages; having to throw to receivers that have deeper slower developing routes; being able to pick up his eyes and read multiple patterns and how the secondary is reacting, et cetera.

Yes, every college QB has a learning curve, I'm saying RGIII's is steeper because of his background.

For some reason I think RGIII is getting some Tebow Effect. In other words, people want to believe he'll succeed because "he's a good kid, he's smart, does everything, the type of guy I'd want my daughter to marry..."

Where to start...

-- Did you think that OU and Baylor might run different style spread offenses because of the talent they have? Baylor has no talent at all other than Wright. Put another way, if Griffin were at OU, do you think OU wouldn't run the same offense? I don't. They'd probably incorporate more running plays for Griffin just because he can do it, but I think they'd still throw it down the field to Broyles and Stills.

-- I'll take your word for the OSU play counts, but I've seen him throw slants, flies, and fades, too. It's not every game that 90% of plays are very short passes.

-- I never said RG was a similar talent to Aikman. How did you possibly make that conclusion from what I said? I'm talking about the system they play in as a collegian. You seem to think that playing in a pro-style offense is a huge help to a QB's pro career, and I don't. Might it take them another year to adjust to the NFL if they come from the spread? Sure. But I don't think that should matter if you're talking about a franchise-type QB who you plan to lead your team for many years.

And Aikman didn't "opt out" of Oklahoma as much as it was a mutual decision. He was the starter until he broke his leg, the backup came in, and they won the national championship with Barry's old wishbone. Troy knew he wasn't getting his job back, so he left. But I think he'd have been the same great pro QB he turned out to be if he'd stayed at OU.

-- And speaking for myself, I'm not going on RG's numbers at Baylor at all. I don't even have any idea what his numbers are, other than knowing that he has an absurd TD/INT ratio. I'm going on the way I see him throw the ball with velocity and accuracy, and the fact that he's an intelligent, diligent person.

 

[DFWJC]

I like RG3

It seems everytime I watch him I come away impressed. But I honestly haven't studied tape on him enough to evalute his NFL potential. I feel sure he'll make it, but at what level, I'm not so sure.

 

[Aikbach]

well I hope he goes to Wash

hes no Cam Newton

an he's probably is 6 not 6'2"

there no way this a body of 220 guy - he looks like Dennis Dixson

this my last post on this scrub - IMO

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