Roger Staubach scrambler question

[Maikeru-sama]

I was listening to the radio on my way to lunch today. Dale Hansen was talking about running QBs in general.

He said that before Roger Staubach became Roger Staubach, many said he would not be a good NFL Quarterback because he was known as a "Scrambler".

I knew he could run a little based on some of the books I have read and I knew there were some doubts about his ability based on him running, but how real were those doubts I just mentioned.

I have seen his stats before, but never really analyzed his rushing stats. He ran for 300+ yards in 3 of his 11 Seasons. Anyone think that is alot of running for a 14 Game Season?

- Mike G.

 

[boysfanindc]

Roger had a lot of hurdels to get over when GM's thought about him for the draft. Not only the questions you ask about the scrambling (although Tarkenton had to help). But they fact he was at Navy, meaning questions about the competition, but he also had to go away for 4 years.

I read a great book about how he trained and tried to stay close to football while he was serving his time.

Has there every been a player coming close to what he did in the NFL from one of the service academies. What he did winning the Heisman, then serving his time then what he did in the NFL was truly amazing, never has it repeated unless you include D. Robinsion in the NBA.

 

[Hostile]

I was listening to the radio on my way to lunch today. Dale Hansen was talking about running QBs in general.

He said that before Roger Staubach became Roger Staubach, many said he would not be a good NFL Quarterback because he was known as a "Scrambler".

I knew he could run a little based on some of the books I have read and I knew there were some doubts about his ability based on him running, but how real were those doubts I just mentioned.

I have seen his stats before, but never really analyzed his rushing stats. He ran for 300+ yards in 3 of his 11 Seasons. Anyone think that is alot of running for a 14 Game Season?

- Mike G.

His running drove Tom Landry crazy. Even when he was a pass first guy whenever he took off Landry went from stoic on the sidelines to agitated. I don't believe he ever ran that Landry wasn't puckered and cringing.

Out of the pocket is so much more dangerous than some people realize. Even with the rules now that protect the QBs like the feet first slide (Staubach didn't have that) there's just more opportunity for injury without those big uglies at least slowing the charge down a little bit.

 

[Juke99]

He was interviewed on WFAN last week...said "It took Landry a while to adjust to me"....in fact, in his last season Landry while watching film together, Landry said, "See, right there Roger, someday you'll learn how to stay in the pocket on those plays"...

He became a GREAT pocket QB...but yeah, early in his career, if a play broke down...he'd take off. I think it was more a problem of not waiting for the play to develop.

Landry had Roger and Craig Morton (the original Drew Bledsoe). Two more different styles didn't exist.

Landry finally decided to go with Roger "the dodger"...and the rest is history.

Interesting point...Roger said, in the same interview, "In today's NFL, it is more important than ever for a QB to be able to buy time because sooner or later a WR is going to get loose because of the new rules restricting CB's....and it might take that extra second for the play to develop."

 

[Doomsday101]

He was interviewed on WFAN last week...said "It took Landry a while to adjust to me"....in fact, in his last season Landry while watching film together, Landry said, "See, right there Roger, someday you'll learn how to stay in the pocket on those plays"...

He became a GREAT pocket QB...but yeah, early in his career, if a play broke down...he'd take off. I think it was more a problem of not waiting for the play to develop.

Landry had Roger and Craig Morton (the original Drew Bledsoe). Two more different styles didn't exist.

Landry finally decided to go with Roger "the dodger"...and the rest is history.

Interesting point...Roger said, in the same interview, "In today's NFL, it is more important than ever for a QB to be able to buy time because sooner or later a WR is going to get loose because of the new rules restricting CB's....and it might take that extra second for the play to develop."

Roger also learned to throw from a pocket. In the SB game against Miami Landry pulled Roger to the sidelines because he was missing wide-open men down field, in the 2nd half Roger started hitting those open men.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you have to put this in the correct context. Back in those days, QBs didn't wear skirts like they did today. Any time a QB took a hit, it was probably a pretty good shot. Not like today when QBs can slide. In those days, if you slide, you'd get speared and that's the truth. Staubach averaged 5.5 yards a carry throughout his career. If he's rushing for 300 yards a season, that figures to be about 55 hits a year. Remember, this is not a brand of football where guys slide or run out of bounds. He retired after 10 years in the league from concusions. .................

 

[JIGGYFLY]

I was listening to the radio on my way to lunch today. Dale Hansen was talking about running QBs in general.

He said that before Roger Staubach became Roger Staubach, many said he would not be a good NFL Quarterback because he was known as a "Scrambler".

I knew he could run a little based on some of the books I have read and I knew there were some doubts about his ability based on him running, but how real were those doubts I just mentioned.

I have seen his stats before, but never really analyzed his rushing stats. He ran for 300+ yards in 3 of his 11 Seasons. Anyone think that is alot of running for a 14 Game Season?

- Mike G.

I think Roger scrambled more to buy time as opposed to getting yards down feild from what I can remeber even when he scrambled he would be looking down feild for the open receiver.

 

[boysfanindc]

I think there is a difference between a true scambler and a QB who moves to be able to pass the ball.

Who was the QB for the Bears that had close to 1,000 yards every year rushing, but could not pass a lick?

 

[junk]

I think you have to put this in the correct context. Back in those days, QBs didn't wear skirts like they did today.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think there is a difference between a true scambler and a QB who moves to be able to pass the ball.

Who was the QB for the Bears that had close to 1,000 yards every year rushing, but could not pass a lick?

Vince Evans is who I believe your referring to but he never scrambled for anything close to 1000 yards.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think there is a difference between a true scambler and a QB who moves to be able to pass the ball.

Who was the QB for the Bears that had close to 1,000 yards every year rushing, but could not pass a lick?

Bobby Douglas?

 

[Skip]

Roger had a lot of hurdles to get over when GM's thought about him for the draft. Not only the questions you ask about the scrambling (although Tarkenton had to help). But they fact he was at Navy, meaning questions about the competition, but he also had to go away for 4 years.

I read a great book about how he trained and tried to stay close to football while he was serving his time.

Has there every been a player coming close to what he did in the NFL from one of the service academies. What he did winning the Heisman, then serving his time then what he did in the NFL was truly amazing, never has it repeated unless you include D. Robinsion in the NBA.

The biggest hesitation I think was the being out of football for 4 years before entering the NFL. Ended up being a smart draft pick.

And yes he ran a lot!

 

[boysfanindc]

Bobby Douglas?

Yes, I think it was Bobby Douglas, I think he actually got a 1,000 one year and close to it another 2 or 3 years.

But could not hit the broad side of a barn.

Was any one else impressed how big Ben moved in the pocket yesterday?

His pocket presence was amazing, he would have a guy coming behind him and I thought he is going to get creamed and he would scamble at the last moment. When the pass was there he made it, when the running lane was there he took it. That is presence which he will need next week.

Bobby Douglas is the other end of the perspective, I beleive he lead the team in rushing 3 or 4 years.

Can you imagine 1,000 yards rushing from your QB!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bobby Douglas?

That could be right. Douglas never rushed for 1000 yards but he came close once. I think like 72 season he rushed for over 900 and threw for something like 1200. Sad really.

:laugh2:

 

[Rockytop6]

It was Bobby Douglas.

 

[boysfanindc]

Yes it was Douglass, had 968 yards in 141 attempts for almost a 7 yard average. But never passed I beleive for better then a 40% completition percentage.

But how crazy is 968 yards rushing by a QB?

The most catches any WR had was 20!