Rogers' gun was cocked, had a bullet in the chamber

[Seven]

I'm trying to figure out 'cocked and had the safety on'. Anyone own a Kimber? Mechanically, I don't see how this works. I've never heard of a gun in the cocked position and the safety in place. Seems odd but not out of the question I guess. It was a custom.

Most semi's these days have what they call a de-cocker and it slides up a metal bar in between the hammer and the firing pin when de-cocked and places the hammer down and the safety mechanism is in place. You can pull the trigger all day and the gun won't fire.

 

[Jon88]

I'm trying to figure out 'cocked and had the safety on'. Anyone own a Kimber? Mechanically, I don't see how this works. I've never heard of a gun in the cocked position and the safety in place. Seems odd but not out of the question I guess. It was a custom.

Most semi's these days have what they call a de-cocker and it slides up a metal bar in between the hammer and the firing pin when de-cocked and places the hammer down and the safety mechanism is in place. You can pull the trigger all day and the gun won't fire.

Here's a picture of one:

I think the safety is the thing that sticks out on the handle. That has to be pressed in for the gun to fire.

 

[Dough Boy]

I'm trying to figure out 'cocked and had the safety on'. Anyone own a Kimber? Mechanically, I don't see how this works. I've never heard of a gun in the cocked position and the safety in place. Seems odd but not out of the question I guess. It was a custom.

Most semi's these days have what they call a de-cocker and it slides up a metal bar in between the hammer and the firing pin when de-cocked and places the hammer down and the safety mechanism is in place. You can pull the trigger all day and the gun won't fire.

The normal mode of carrying an SA semi-automatic pistol is Condition 1, popularly known as cocked and locked (see photo of Springfield Armory M1911A1 above). Condition 1 (a term popularized by Colonel Jeff Cooper) refers to having the magazine full, a round chambered, the hammer fully cocked, and the thumb safety engaged or on, at least for right-handed users. For many single-action, semi-automatic pistols, this procedure works well only for right-handed users, as the thumb safety is located on the left side of pistol and is easily accessible only for those who are holding the pistol in the right hand.

 

[Dough Boy]

Here's a picture of one:

I think the safety is the thing that sticks out on the handle. That has to be pressed in for the gun to fire.

The saftey is on the opposite side. The grip saftey is the beavertail on the grip which is pressed by the web of your thumb and index finger. Both the grip saftey and trigger saftey must be engaged for a weapon to shoot.

 

[Verdict]

I went fishing with my uncle and I keep all of my gear in a backpack. One of those items is a scaling knife. I decided last min to not check the bag, becasue they wanted to charge me a fee. So, I take the bag on, not thinking. They spotted the knive. They ran a background check and the whole 9 yards. They let me go, but they kept my scaling knife. They were actually really cool about it. Asked me several questions. I've never been arrested. Never been in trouble. To this day, I double check every bag. Even the ones I check. Just for one moment, I let my guard down. I still kick myself over that one.

I guess I made an incredibly STUPID mistake also. I'm just not big on judging people. We all fall short. Ive been practicing law for the past 30 yrs, so you would think I know better. Well I do, I just made a mistake.

I totally understand how it happens, and when you have a bar license it doubles the trouble if you make an error in judgment. I used to carry a small pocket knife for utility uses, like opening mail, etc. I also used to carry guns and ammo in my vehicle (I had a concealed carry permit as well) which was totally legal.

I stopped carrying a pocket knife and would not leave either guns or ammo in my vehicle for fear that I would forget and carry it into prison ore jail when going to see a client, or just driving and parking on jail or prison grounds, or even to pick my children up from school. I don't even carry my girlfriends bags when we fly anywhere, because I'm not going to take any chance that some meds she may legally take get found in my possession when trying to board a plane.

You high and mighty "holier than thou" types on this board who judge others should consider the following: It is highly likely that by noon of every day you probably violate some federal law that you have no idea even exists. It is probably a crime to flush a toilet that uses more than the federally mandated amount of water that a toilet is allowed to use to flush. I'm not kidding.

Rogers will probably get in lots of hot water over this incident, but he is lucky he doesn't look middle eastern, or you might never would have heard much about it .... he might just have been semi permanently detained. LOL

As a lawyer, it is possibleyou would be disbarred over an incident, even though you might not be prosecuted for it. The application of justice is far from "even". I have always ssaid that just because a prosecutor can put a man (or woman) in prison doesn't necessarily mean that he should do so.

 

[Seven]

The saftey is on the opposite side. The grip saftey is the beavertail on the grip which is pressed by the web of your thumb and index finger. Both the grip saftey and trigger saftey must be engaged for a weapon to shoot.

Yep. However the thumb safety must be dis-engaged for the weapon to shoot. I understand what you meant.

 

[Seven]

The normal mode of carrying an SA semi-automatic pistol is Condition 1, popularly known as cocked and locked (see photo of Springfield Armory M1911A1 above). Condition 1 (a term popularized by Colonel Jeff Cooper) refers to having the magazine full, a round chambered, the hammer fully cocked, and the thumb safety engaged or on, at least for right-handed users. For many single-action, semi-automatic pistols, this procedure works well only for right-handed users, as the thumb safety is located on the left side of pistol and is easily accessible only for those who are holding the pistol in the right hand.

Thanks for your input. Much apperciated.

From the Kimbers I've been associated with it has an ambidextrous(sp?) de-cocker. I still can't see the thumb safety engaged with the hammer cocked. I need to make a stop today. Now I'm curious.


BTW - that particular 1911 is my favorite. Yes, over a Colt.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

ABQcowboy makes a strong point. There a gun control laws for a reason and there's no reason for something like this to happen. Especially if you consider what happened to Plax. Sometimes it better to be safe than sorry. If you don't have the mentality to carry a gun you shouldn't.

 

[Gzus]

Seriously I don't understand why people carry guns cocked and chambered.... It's not like they are gonna be in a shootout any second. You can have the thing loaded but it don't take very long to chamber a round and **** it if you need to. Anyone who has a license to carry should be more wary of where their guns are and it seems to me like this guy has no respect for the dangerous nature of firearms if he did this. If you carry, unless you're in law enforcement, you don't need to have one chambered and cocked regardless of the safeties.

 

[Hoofbite]

Literally cannot believe how dumb he is.

How can anyone be that dumb?

He should be banned for life for being so dumb.

 

[Seven]

Seriously I don't understand why people carry guns cocked and chambered.... It's not like they are gonna be in a shootout any second. You can have the thing loaded but it don't take very long to chamber a round and **** it if you need to. Anyone who has a license to carry should be more wary of where their guns are and it seems to me like this guy has no respect for the dangerous nature of firearms if he did this. If you carry, unless you're in law enforcement, you don't need to have one chambered and cocked regardless of the safeties.

Good post.

 

[Vtwin]

Seriously I don't understand why people carry guns cocked and chambered.... It's not like they are gonna be in a shootout any second. You can have the thing loaded but it don't take very long to chamber a round and **** it if you need to. Anyone who has a license to carry should be more wary of where their guns are and it seems to me like this guy has no respect for the dangerous nature of firearms if he did this. If you carry, unless you're in law enforcement, you don't need to have one chambered and cocked regardless of the safeties.

That is an opinion for which you will find a very large segment of the gun toting population willing to argue against.


It is pretty stupid to show up at security with a handgun in your carry-on. I'm pretty sure I'm not that dumb.

I once did however pull up to the border crossing into Canada one sunny late fall afternoon.

"Where you going?"

"Just up to the store to get some beer"

"How long you staying?"

"Just long enough to get some beer."

"Any tobbaco, alcohol or firearms in the vehicle?"

"No si......"

Just then it hit me. My deer rifle (being deer season and all) was in the trunk.

"Actually sir, I just remembered I have my deer rifle etc etc etc..."

He wouldn't let me in but I was able to go back to US Customs and leave it there to be picked up on my way back.

Stuff does happen.