Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[Silver N Blue]

awesome but no SB win keeps him at 3rd regardless of his stats

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Troy was the best in the biggest moments. Always in total control

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What absolute utter apologists. So, "He was starting on a bad team!" - Aikman didn't just suck in his rookie year! He was trash the first 3 years of his career, was good for 4 after that, and went to garbage again.

Stop rewriting history.

Aikman's first 3 years in the league

55.7
66.6
86.7 - 11 TDs, 10 INTs (Awful)

4 years of solid play

He then had one season where he had a rating over 85 and was banged up the final three years of his career.

Did you see him play in those first three years?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Man, a lot of old timers with their nostalgia goggles on. I'm sure someone will have the nerve to come in saying Aikman was better than Favre and Steve Young.

We aren't talking about Aikman just being on a good team for a few years, he was on one of the most loaded teams in NFL history. Want to talk about why it's not comparable between he and Romo? That's why. I love the excuses, "Aikman didn't have a cast around him before 92!" - Yet, no excuses can be made for Romo or any other QB you put next to Aikman.

Face it: Aikman was trash for most of his career in Dallas or injured.

Verses a lot of posters who never Saw Aikman or the NFL and what the game was like then?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Romo was an undrafted FA, you ding dong. Aikman was a top 5 pick. Romo needed developed to be ready for the NFL.

And if Aikman progressed, he regressed quite quickly since he only had 4 years of quality play.

And you don't see how this statement supports what he said earlier?

 

[Miller]

That's true. Even on that awful 1-15 team he was one of the few good players to watch. That had to be one of the worse teams of all time. Romo never played on a team that bad.

Right. One of my favorite games in the 1-15 season was the Cardinals game. It was back and forth. One of the signature plays was Aikman getting just drilled on the chin(penalty these days) but still throwing a bullet to I believe James Dixon who took off for a TD. Right then you knew he was tough and knew he had the presence to be great. He got pounded and had many games like this but unless you saw him, you had no clue. The clueless few in here who look at stats and think "garbage" really never saw anyone else play in other eras or know how incredibly tough and physical the game was.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You attempting to compare the 90s Cowboys team to other Super Bowl winning teams of the 90s is just, it's sad. None of them compare, champ. Young didn't have a team like the Cowboys, neither did Favre.

Show me a team comparable to the Cowboys: One of the best O-lines in history, great defense, arguably best RB, HOF WR, good TE and coaching staff. I will wait.

Yeah, this is wrong. Young did have a good team, good enough to beat the Cowboys in 94. Favre also had great teams. That 95 team was very good. I believe they were 6th in scoring and 4th in scoring defense. Holmgren, Sherman Lewis, Fritz Shurmur, Todd Bowles, Steve Mariucci, Marty Morningweg and Andy Reid were all on that staff. That was a really good Football team.

As to a good comparison, there are several. 49ers of the 80s and 90s, Steelers of the 70s, Giants of the 2000s, Patriots of the same era and 2010s, just off the top of my head. All were very good

 

[big dog cowboy]

Did you see him play in those first three years?

First three years? I'm questioning if he saw Aikman play at all.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right. One of my favorite games in the 1-15 season was the Cardinals game. It was back and forth. One of the signature plays was Aikman getting just drilled on the chin(penalty these days) but still throwing a bullet to I believe James Dixon who took off for a TD. Right then you knew he was tough and knew he had the presence to be great. He got pounded and had many games like this but unless you saw him, you had no clue. The clueless few in here who look at stats and think "garbage" really never saw anyone else play in other eras or know how incredibly tough and physical the game was.

That's actually a perfect example of why Aikman's early years were much better then given credit for. Aikman brought the Cowboys back, late in the 4th quarter as I recall, stood in the pocket strong against the blitz, threw a strike for a TD and got knocked out on the hit. He never even saw the completion. What most people don't remember is that the Cards actually came back and won that game. We were that bad. OL was bad, no talent on that team, Defense was horrible and the Cardinals were not good that year. I think they won 5 games in 89. Troy should have won that game but the team was so bad that they couldn't hold a bad team, in Az, late in the game and lost.

You won't know or understand any of that unless you watched it. Today, everything is "Show me the link, show me the video" but there is no video for stuff like that. Everything was not on mass media and you have to remember. That's the problem with Troy and those who came before him, for these younger fans. They don't really understand and they don't know what they are actually talking about in a lot of situations because they were raised in a multi media age.

It is what it is.

 

[coogrfan]

Different era and yet the exact same game. Era matters when you talk about hair styles pants fit. Nothing has changed about how you throw a football.

The NFL circa 2016 isn't even remotely "the exact same game" it was in the 70's...or for that matter, the 90's.

 

[coogrfan]

Without even thinking there was the 5 interception game against Buffalo. I think another one against the Rams in the last 2-3 years.

This is a list of all the NFL QB's who have thrown 5 or more picks in a single game (regular season and playoffs) since 1999: http://pfref.com/tiny/Ok3wn

Note that the list includes the likes of Favre, Peyton and Eli Manning, Aikman, Brees, Marino and Kurt Warner. Note also that Romo appears twice, but he is also one of only two QB's in NFL history to lead his team to a win when throwing 5+ picks.

4 or more picks in a game: http://pfref.com/tiny/e86Wi

Interesting note: Tom Brady has thrown 4 or more interceptions in a game six times (Pats are 0-6 in those games); Peyton Manning did so seven times (0-7); Eli also has six such games. Even the best QB's have bad days.

Btw, Tony Romo has only 3 games with 4 or more picks.

 

[Miller]

The NFL circa 2016 isn't even remotely "the exact same game" it was in the 70's...or for that matter, the 90's.

Right. I have a feeling that 99% of these arguments are coming from fans who probably only caught the end of the 90s, at best. There is no way you watched football in the 70s, 80s and 90s and thought "same game." I brought up Aikman getting hit in the chin above. That was par for the course for QBS. You could get blown up. Now you can't touch them. Also, until the last decade, DBs used to be able to literally mug WRs. It was physical. QBs had a certain window and if you couldn't fit the window you were screwed. The game these days is a passing game made for QBs to sit back and throw 40 times. There are mostly RBs by Committee. It's a completely different game. The plug and play historical game doesn't work. Especially when some of these people are magically inserting mature Romo from the last few years vs the early Romo who was boom or bust and full of back breaking mistakes.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Holy moly.

I never thought I would read that in here from a Cowboys fan.

Guess that HOF bust he has is worthless to you isn't it.

Aikman has admitted on several occassions that Romo has more play making ability and talent then he ever had.

That being said, if you have a championship caliber team around the QB with a great defense and a good run game then I would take Aikman all day long. Great leader, accurate, mental and physical toughness ect...ect...

But if you have a poor Oline, poor defense, poor coaching, bad run game or any combination of the same I take Romo all day long. If Aikman didnt have the perfect pocket and everything great around him, he couldnt do diddly. He was a statue/robot back there. If pressure got to him, he would take the big hit, but he couldnt avoid anything. As soon as the Oline broke down Aikman could barely function.

 

[erod]

Aikman was a great quarterback, but his robotic style required a perfect offense to suit him. When he had it, he was awesome. When he didn't have it, he was average at best. The Cowboys needed him to carry the team on his shoulders in the late 90s, and he simply couldn't do it. It's not in his DNA.

Staubach and Romo, on the other hand, can carry their teams on their shoulders.

Staubach had the luxury of a great team around him his entire career. Free agency didn't shred his roster from underneath him, and Gil Brandt kept the cubbards full of talent. Still, Staubach showed over and over that he was the clear leader of the team, and he willed them to wins they were on the cusp of losing.

Romo, for most of his time here, has had to endure ridiculous front office management and personnel debauchery. Some ridiculously awful offensive lines, coupled with historically embarrassing defenses, forced Romo to literally win every game by himself. He's put up 30 points on numerous occasions, only to lose. He's taken 2-14 rosters to 8-8 records, and yet he's gotten the blame. Stupid. With Aikman's teams in the 90s, Romo very well might have won 4 or 5 Super Bowls.

And then there was Don Meredith, who was very much like Johnny Unitas. Meredith took a fledgling franchise and made them contenders with sheer grit and toughness. He took a beating on the field, and from Tom Landry, which hurt him until his dying days. He was every bit the quarterback that the others were.

 

[Miller]

Aikman was a great quarterback, but his robotic style required a perfect offense to suit him. When he had it, he was awesome. When he didn't have it, he was average at best. The Cowboys needed him to carry the team on his shoulders in the late 90s, and he simply couldn't do it. It's not in his DNA.

Staubach and Romo, on the other hand, can carry their teams on their shoulders.

Staubach had the luxury of a great team around him his entire career. Free agency didn't shred his roster from underneath him, and Gil Brandt kept the cubbards full of talent. Still, Staubach showed over and over that he was the clear leader of the team, and he willed them to wins they were on the cusp of losing.

Romo, for most of his time here, has had to endure ridiculous front office management and personnel debauchery. Some ridiculously awful offensive lines, coupled with historically embarrassing defenses, forced Romo to literally win every game by himself. He's put up 30 points on numerous occasions, only to lose. He's taken 2-14 rosters to 8-8 records, and yet he's gotten the blame. Stupid. With Aikman's teams in the 90s, Romo very well might have won 4 or 5 Super Bowls.

And then there was Don Meredith, who was very much like Johnny Unitas. Meredith took a fledgling franchise and made them contenders with sheer grit and toughness. He took a beating on the field, and from Tom Landry, which hurt him until his dying days. He was every bit the quarterback that the others were.

Bolded. Just not a well thought out statement. A ridiculous statement. Again, eras, defenses, how QBs can get hit..and Romo's propensity for interceptions in big games vs an era where they could play tight on WRs and get no flags....you think he would be better? They didn't throw 40 times back then, he'd get hit in the chin weekly and his "off" throws that may do no damage now would be picked then. It's like you are making things up. As I said I love Romo, but if he is so magical and good why did he choke with a dropped snap? Why did he have the #1 seed and throw 50% and get embarrassed after a Cabo trip in 07...with a talented team? You bring up how you can just plug him in but he couldn't even do it with his talented teams so far. It's laughable to compare right now. He did get screwed with some lines and defenses but those Wade teams were not lacking in talent and we got nothing

 

[jnday]

What kind of crap are you spewing? Romo has been a top qb every year since he became a starter. You're going to sit here and try to say he wasn't great without a great running game but what qb is? Aikman didn't do anything without a top rb. The lengths that some of you old heads go through to defend your boys is astounding.

And you children need to respect their elders. We know much more then you ever will. Children should speak only when spoken to. Follow that advice and you will learn a great deal.

 

[jnday]

Aikman was a great quarterback, but his robotic style required a perfect offense to suit him. When he had it, he was awesome. When he didn't have it, he was average at best. The Cowboys needed him to carry the team on his shoulders in the late 90s, and he simply couldn't do it. It's not in his DNA.

Staubach and Romo, on the other hand, can carry their teams on their shoulders.

Staubach had the luxury of a great team around him his entire career. Free agency didn't shred his roster from underneath him, and Gil Brandt kept the cubbards full of talent. Still, Staubach showed over and over that he was the clear leader of the team, and he willed them to wins they were on the cusp of losing.

Romo, for most of his time here, has had to endure ridiculous front office management and personnel debauchery. Some ridiculously awful offensive lines, coupled with historically embarrassing defenses, forced Romo to literally win every game by himself. He's put up 30 points on numerous occasions, only to lose. He's taken 2-14 rosters to 8-8 records, and yet he's gotten the blame. Stupid. With Aikman's teams in the 90s, Romo very well might have won 4 or 5 Super Bowls.

And then there was Don Meredith, who was very much like Johnny Unitas. Meredith took a fledgling franchise and made them contenders with sheer grit and toughness. He took a beating on the field, and from Tom Landry, which hurt him until his dying days. He was every bit the quarterback that the others were.

Yeah, Omo has carried this team so far. All of these 8-8 seasons would have had him run out of Dallas when fans had higher expectations. It happened to a Dandy Don. Today's fanbase is happy to reach the playoffs. Years ago, a Super Bowls was expected.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Aikman has admitted on several occassions that Romo has more play making ability and talent then he ever had.

That being said, if you have a championship caliber team around the QB with a great defense and a good run game then I would take Aikman all day long. Great leader, accurate, mental and physical toughness ect...ect...

But if you have a poor Oline, poor defense, poor coaching, bad run game or any combination of the same I take Romo all day long. If Aikman didnt have the perfect pocket and everything great around him, he couldnt do diddly. He was a statue/robot back there. If pressure got to him, he would take the big hit, but he couldnt avoid anything. As soon as the Oline broke down Aikman could barely function.

I don't agree here. The Aikman coming out of UCLA could do it all. I think that the problem here, and this is just my opinion, is that the Offense Troy played in was designed to be very precise. There was not room for adlib, so to speak. That was actually a draw back in that Offense. Everything was designed to happen exactly the way it was drawn up. The idea was that you run the play before the Defense could react. Going off script would usually result in a bad play and that's why you see poor results later in Troy's career. Now, to be honest, by the time Troy was in his last years, he was not the same QB. Physically, he could not do what he did when he was younger and honestly, we are seeing the same kinds of things now with Tony. No more breaking the pocket and running down field. Getting the ball out more quickly. These kinds of things are because Tony is getting older. Interestingly enough, Tony is showing better results because of these changes. If you ran that timing offense right, there was literally nothing the Defense could do to stop it. Troy had such amazing accuracy, combined with unreal velocity, and that made that Offense unstoppable. This is why I say Tony could not play in that Timing Offense. This is not a knock on Tony. Have said many times that Tony is a great QB. He has made himself into that and that's to his credit. However, you really had to see Troy from the beginning to the end to understand how good he really was. That Offense was the sum of it's parts because, if you didn't have Emmitt and that powerful running game, the spacing and the timing didn't work. You had to have that split second pause of the Defense to read and react for the timing to work. That made the difference for Michael to get the edge. The WR had to be able to catch anything and use the body to shield the Defense. You had to run very precise routes and if you did that and if you could beat the Defense to a spot and if you could make the tough catch, then it couldn't be stopped. The success of that Offense if proof of that. It's a very difficult offense to run. You have to have exactly the right personnel or it will not work. We were able to gather the right players to run it but the Troy that came out of UCLA, before he learned that offense could play in any offense. He had that kind of talent.

Here is a vid of Aikman at UCLA. Watch how he is able to move, create time and throw on the run.

 

[jnday]

Troy Aikman was the better passer.

Tony Romo is the better quarterback.

Troy was a much better leader. He was much better under pressure and he was much more respected.

 

[Chuck 54]

Lot more to being a QB and team leader than stats. .02

I'm buying....here's 50 cents worth of that.