Rookie DBs: M. Hamlin to PUP? .. Mickens/Smith even make the team?

[igtmfo]

Man I was hoping Mike Hamlin, DeAngelo Smith, Mike Mickens would make some plays this preseason, especially on special teams, to justify a spot on the 53.

Has anybody seen anything out of these guys in preseason that makes you think one would be a contributor this season in any way? Just a "fist-pump" pass broken up, big special teams tackle, great open field tackle, or anything, much less a big play? (I think D. Smith had a tackle on a return ...) ...

None of these guys look like standout NFL athletes (in fairness, they're not supposed to be in the bottom of the fifth, sixth, seventh rounds) .. BUT Campo thought because they got lots of picks in college that it could translate to the NFL and make them worth drafting ...

Hamlin was touted as having a knack for the position by coaches (at least in the early practices) so he'll probably stick around for the six allotted weeks of active PUP so we can bring him back if, god forbid, Ball or Watkins go down. I'm not so sure Smith or Mickens make the 53.

Interesting that backups on the OL are getting some love, and the rookie LBs have kind of sorted themselves out. Butler and J. Williams may be seen Sundays. Hodge too - the reputed special teams ace who has a knack of finding gaps on the blitz - if he can ever get on the field ...

But, wow, things look thin back at DB ... a trade maybe to bolster things?

 

[adamknite]

A player can't be put on PUP if they start training camp on the active roster.

Why does everybody keep suggesting this?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

A player can't be put on PUP if they start training camp on the active roster.

Why does everybody keep suggesting this?

B/C a lot of this stuff is confusing

Anyway, Ed Reed is pretty good. Lets take him in the supplemental draft.

Well get a compensatory pick as well

 

[igtmfo]

Sorry Adam, embarrassed here - wishful thinking on my part.

I made a misnomer. ... Had read this rule but beer got in the way tonight ...

Let me reconnoiter:

So ... Mike Hamlin to IR or the 53? .. Could you even put a broken wrist on IR or would it run afoul of the commissioner, since Hamlin could at least get out and run around and function at some point this season ..

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Just deactivate him and keep Watkins around. And flip-flop in 5-7 weeks if need be

 

[adamknite]

Sorry Adam, embarrassed here - wishful thinking on my part.

I made a misnomer. ... Had read this rule but beer got in the way tonight ...

Let me reconnoiter:

So ... Mike Hamlin to IR or the 53? .. Could you even put a broken wrist on IR or would it run afoul of the commissioner, since Hamlin could at least get out and run around and function at some point this season ..

Don't feel too embarrassed, you are not even close to the first person who's suggested putting somebody on PUP the past week or so.

As long as he's injured and has to miss time for it a player can be put on injured/reserved. A lot of players get put on IR despite the fact that they could theoretically come back at some point. It's the staff's decision if it's worth holding a roster spot for them, or if they should go ahead and try and fill the role and sit them out for the year.

It just depends, would it be better for him to sit out and not be able to practice with the team (sorta "red shirt"), or would it be better for the team to hold a spot open for him so he can get back to practicing ASAP? With a Rookie.. it's a tough decision. My personal opinion... I'd probably say it'd be better to hold a spot open for him so he can get some practice time this year.

 

[playmakers]

Thats what happens when you get too cute in the draft. The more you keep trading down opens up the possibilty of failure. I dont know how many times we traded back on draft day but one thing is for sure we did it one too many times. Guys picked in the 5-6-7th rounds are there for a reason. There are a few who become players but looking at our draft right now I cant see anyone helping us besides Bueler(sp). Remember Im talking from the 5th round on.


Deangelo Smith
Mike Hamlin
Bueler
John Phillps
Stephen Hodge
Mike Mickens
Manuel Johnson

Who do you see helping us this year? Was it worth all the trading back? I know we got cute and missed out on Unger and Deon Butler. The jury is out.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Thats what happens when you get too cute in the draft. The more you keep trading down opens up the possibilty of failure. I dont know how many times we traded back on draft day but one thing is for sure we did it one too many times. Guys picked in the 5-6-7th rounds are there for a reason. There are a few who become players but looking at our draft right now I cant see anyone helping us besides Bueler(sp). Remember Im talking from the 5th round on.


Deangelo Smith
Mike Hamlin
Bueler
John Phillps
Stephen Hodge
Mike Mickens
Manuel Johnson

To be fair, what teams rely on talent past the 5th round to immediatley impact the team? I dont think anyone was expecting our 5th,6th,7th rounds picks to do much of anything this year except play special teams. Guys you mentioned are players that will impact games next year or 2 years from now. Which is usually the case with 5th-7th round picks.

 

[adamknite]

To be fair, what teams rely on talent past the 5th round to immediatley impact the team? I dont think anyone was expecting our 5th,6th,7th rounds picks to do much of anything this year except play special teams. Guys you mentioned are players that will impact games next year or 2 years from now. Which is usually the case with 5th-7th round picks.

If this makes sense... I believe he was more talking about, we took a lot of 5-7th rounders, instead of trying to trade up (or not trade back) and pick fewer players.. but in higher rounds.

Sorta like, he knows 5-7th rounders usually aren't immediate impacts, that's why we shouldn't have traded back and taken so many of them. That's how I interpreted it.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Uh, John Phillips will play a ton.


But I agree. I was shocked we didnt trade for a 5th next year, and we came away w/ so many rookies

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If this makes sense... I believe he was more talking about, we took a lot of 5-7th rounders, instead of trying to trade up (or not trade back) and pick fewer players.. but in higher rounds.

Sorta like, he knows 5-7th rounders usually aren't immediate impacts, that's why we shouldn't have traded back and taken so many of them. That's how I interpreted it.

I was cool w/ the first trade down (although I liked S.Smith) But at some point we should have moved up a bit and acquired that 2010 5th.

 

[windward]

I was cool w/ the first trade down (although I liked S.Smith) But at some point we should have moved up a bit and acquired that 2010 5th.

I'd say Hamlin makes it if he's not IR'ed. Smith and Mickens look like PS material so far.

 

[igtmfo]

I listened/read as hard as I could after the draft, and no reporter asked Jerry if he had tried to trade a 5 this year for, say, a 4 next year. .... It may be the draft was so weak this year that there were no takers.

But then freaking Belicheat was able to trade around and procure TWO EXTRA SECOND ROUND PICKS NEXT YEAR ... just blows your mind ... (Titans and Jags gave them up .... )

Back to our DBs. Unfortunately our three rookie DBs plus Brown have been like the south when Sherman was marching through. Big cushion, is all of this just a setup from Campo and the rooks are really good, we're just sandbagging ??

 

[LeonDixson]

Thats what happens when you get too cute in the draft. The more you keep trading down opens up the possibilty of failure. I dont know how many times we traded back on draft day but one thing is for sure we did it one too many times. Guys picked in the 5-6-7th rounds are there for a reason. There are a few who become players but looking at our draft right now I cant see anyone helping us besides Bueler(sp). Remember Im talking from the 5th round on.


Deangelo Smith
Mike Hamlin
Bueler
John Phillps
Stephen Hodge
Mike Mickens
Manuel Johnson

Who do you see helping us this year? Was it worth all the trading back? I know we got cute and missed out on Unger and Deon Butler. The jury is out.

We didn't get cute and miss out on Unger. Seattle moved ahead of us to take him and we traded down after that. Yeah, we could have traded up to get him, but then you're really guessing that somebody else wants him and guessing how far you would need to move up to get him.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

If this makes sense... I believe he was more talking about, we took a lot of 5-7th rounders, instead of trying to trade up (or not trade back) and pick fewer players.. but in higher rounds.

Sorta like, he knows 5-7th rounders usually aren't immediate impacts, that's why we shouldn't have traded back and taken so many of them. That's how I interpreted it.

Your right.