Rooney Rule?

[craig71]

Does anyone think that the Rooney Rule has unintended side effects?

I readily admit I want to see Garrett get the job, but here is the thing.

Take Garrett out of the equation for a minute if you all will. If a team has an interim HC in place that is viewed as a legitimate HC'ing prospect, that prospect cannot assume the full time HC role if he is not a minority candidate without first satisfying the Rooney Rule. So in order to satisfy the Rooney Rule an owner/GM must downplay the chances of the interim HC being hired as minimal and then go through the league mandated interview process. In the meantime though, during all of that downplaying by management, does it really hurt the interim HC and his credibilty with the players to an extent?

Now I don't want people to assume that I am trying to make excuses for this past game, I am not. But I would like to here some honest opinions as to whether the Rooney Rule hurts an interim HC's credibilty to an extent.

Craig

 

[DBOY3141]

Rooney rule is a joke. It's the NFL's version of trying to be politically correct.

You don't see a "Larry Czonka" rule. Where 25% of all starting RB's have to be white.

Or a "Steve Largent" rule.

Put the best guy in position to lead your team to victory. Who cares what race he is.

 

[SDogo]

The issue I have with the rule is that if Garrett was a minority he could be hired today with out any "interview" process. Somehow that just does not seem to be politically correct as it is.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I would hope that Garrett not being a minority has no bearing on Jerry's decision to see who's available after the season anyway.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Rooney Rule is pathetic and a joke.

If I am an owner of my NFL team that I PAID for by MYSELF?

They can go pound sand as to who I interview and hire.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

The rooney rule is a complete joke, garrett could have taken over for wade, got us into the playoffs, taken us to the sb, and jerry still has to do a token interview. Bill belichick could be sitting out there, and we still would have to go through with the interview.

I am all for giving minority candidates a chance, but the league goes about it the wrong way.

 

[IowaCowboyFan]

besides why bring in a guy to fullfill the Rooney Rule knowing that you have no intention of hiring the guy, doesnt that just seem like a slap in the face to whoever the quota filler is

 

[jobberone]

Jerry should be looking to interview several candidates. I'd get as many experienced HCs in here as he can along with DCs. I'd look at Garrett and probably Harbaugh if he will come. I'd talk with Dick Lebeau about a DC candidate and take him very seriously. I'd talk with Dom Capers about coming here as well as his recommendations for a 3-4 DC as well. If Nolan and Singletary are free I'd get them in here and ask for their recommendations on coaches as well including position coaches. I'd talk with Sparano and others about the OL. If Norv gets fired I'd talk with him, too. I'd look at him for HC and for OC particularly the latter.

I wouldn't leave anything unturned.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Does anyone think that the Rooney Rule has unintended side effects?

I readily admit I want to see Garrett get the job, but here is the thing.

Take Garrett out of the equation for a minute if you all will. If a team has an interim HC in place that is viewed as a legitimate HC'ing prospect, that prospect cannot assume the full time HC role if he is not a minority candidate without first satisfying the Rooney Rule. So in order to satisfy the Rooney Rule an owner/GM must downplay the chances of the interim HC being hired as minimal and then go through the league mandated interview process. In the meantime though, during all of that downplaying by management, does it really hurt the interim HC and his credibilty with the players to an extent?

Now I don't want people to assume that I am trying to make excuses for this past game, I am not. But I would like to here some honest opinions as to whether the Rooney Rule hurts an interim HC's credibilty to an extent.

Craig

I think that's part of the reason Jerry is not fully committing to JG because if he does, NFL is going to be on him like White on Rice.

 

[tyke1doe]

Not ANOTHER thread on the Rooney Rule.

It really doesn't matter what fans think. The owners support the Rooney Rule. The RR gives minority candidates a chance to interview for coaching positions and, if they don't get selected, gives them a chance to get their names out there.

It has worked as we've seen more minority (black) head coaches in the league than we've ever seen and more black coordinators who wouldn't have been given a shot previously, being mentioned as top candidate for head coaching jobs. It establishes a process, and based on that alone, it has served its purpose.

If it inconveniences a team/owner/GM who already has a candidate in mine, so be it.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think that's part of the reason Jerry is not fully committing to JG because if he does, NFL is going to be on him like White on Rice.

You think the NFL doesn't know Jerry Jones wants to hire Jason Garrett? I think Jerry sent that message by announcing when he hired JG and paid him more than his head coach that Garrett would eventually ascend to the Cowboys' head coaching job.

The NFL knows this and doesn't care. It still wants Jerry Jones to follow the process, as well he should.

 

[SDogo]

Not ANOTHER thread on the Rooney Rule.

It really doesn't matter what fans think. The owners support the Rooney Rule. The RR gives minority candidates a chance to interview for coaching positions and, if they don't get selected, gives them a chance to get their names out there.

It has worked as we've seen more minority (black) head coaches in the league than we've ever seen and more black coordinators who wouldn't have been given a shot previously, being mentioned as top candidate for head coaching jobs. It establishes a process, and based on that alone, it has served its purpose.

If it inconveniences a team/owner/GM who already has a candidate in mine, so be it.

Publicly yes, the owners praise the idea. To the man, I can promise you this rule is not widely appreciated or accepted even among the minority canidates who get the "fake" interviews.

 

[Muhast]

Jerry should argue garrett is a minority. No other red heads coaching

 

[SDogo]

Jerry should argue garrett is a minority. No other red heads coaching

nice!:laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't have any issue with the Rooney rule, it does not force you to hire anyone all it does is give minority coaches a chance to build relationships with the different owners that they may not have gotten in the past. I think it is natural to hire people you are familiar with if this rule allows the relationship to form then I see it as a good thing both for the coaches and the teams. Just my point of view

 

[tyke1doe]

besides why bring in a guy to fullfill the Rooney Rule knowing that you have no intention of hiring the guy, doesnt that just seem like a slap in the face to whoever the quota filler is

No, it's not.

I love how people make assumption on others.

The purpose is to identify head coaching candidates. Let me clue you in to the black experience. I have heard so many blacks tell me that they've been passed over for promotion or top jobs because their supervisors "didn't think they wanted the job." Nevermind they were never invited to apply for the job, nevermind they let it known they wanted promotion. It seems that their white supervisors were "shocked" when they let it be known they wanted to move higher in an organization. Why do you think this occurs? It's a subtle thought process that excludes, not necessarily because of racism but because people who do things a certain way are blind to their inherent biases.

There are many black coordinators who want to be coaches. The former process was that an owner would talk to other owners or talk to other GMs and identify a candidate. There really was no "process" as it was all "word of mouth."

Now, all clubs have to undergo a formal process to interview candidates. And among that process is to make sure one of the candidates you interview is a minority.

At some point, the Rooney Rule won't be needed. When that point is, who knows. But it's a relatively new policy. It is not time to abandon it now.

 

[tyke1doe]

Publicly yes, the owners praise the idea. To the man, I can promise you this rule is not widely appreciated or accepted even among the minority canidates who get the "fake" interviews.

You can promise me, but can you give me any evidence? And, even if you pull a quote or two, how do you know that the minority candidate isn't giving a public response?

Of course, a minority candidate is going to give a public response "I want to be judged on my talent and skills more than my race." That's what I would say. But privately, I would say, "Thank you, Mr. Rooney."

 

[TheCount]

I find it hilarious people have a problem with the rule when it doesn't have a thing to do with who eventually gets the job.

Yes, interviewing minorities for leadership jobs when probably 70% of the players out there are minorities really isn't fair.

If Garrett is the man Jerry wants, the Garrett will be the man he hires. Why, are you guys scared that someone is gonna walk in and snatch the job away from him?

 

[jobberone]

The rule is a good one. It is accomplishing its mission.

 

[IowaCowboyFan]

No, it's not.

I love how people make assumption on others.

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I am not making an assumption, my point is that if an owner has made it clear through actions that he has his guy in place, why waste anyone's time in an interview knowing you dont want them let that guy get his staff in place and start working with the team. In todays media, any coordinator who feels they would like a head coaching job could step forward and do say so and their name would instantly be out there...