Roy Williams NOT a No. 1? Huh?

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It seems that even when things are quiet for the Dallas Cowboys there's still plenty of noisemakers that aren't even in the organization. As most, if not all, of last years' problem children have been shown the door, the Cowboys still find themselves "paying" for the fact that for the second time in recent memory, they have tried to clean up the character issues that plague all teams in the NFL at one time or another.

I look at preseason predictions just like everybody else and I'm truly amazed by what I see. Some guy from ESPN did a short video piece posted as of 9-9-09 predicting a last place finish for the Cowboys in the highly over-rated NFC East. One of the main reasons for this prediction, strangely echoed by many former Cowboys-turned Monday Morning Quarterbacks in the press, is the absence of Terrell Owens combined with the remaining presence of Roy Williams, just now having completed a full offseason with the organization he joined in progress last season.

No, Williams is not the same receiver Owens is ... and neither is anybody else. The great thing is this: he doesn't have to be. Further, Williams has better hands, runs better routes and is a proven team player, all things T.O. is not. Williams has spent his entire "adult" football life as the focal point of one passing attack after another. To question whether or not he's capable of being a number one target, I assume at wideout only, is laughable. Keep in consideration that Roy Williams is all but a decade younger than Owens coming into his 6th season at 27 years old. Owens is a rapidly aging 36 by season's end after 14 seasons. Williams plays on a team not in Detroit anymore and if you've been following that sad story as I have, go ahead ... just try to blame that debacle on Williams. Please!

I keep hearing either ESPN or NFL.com nobodies along with the likes of Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman pointing out Owens' touchdowns and "explosiveness" now gone as justification for a Dallas collapse in 2009. Williams fits the "big play" receiver role just as Irvin, Keyshawn Johnson and T.O. have done, all in this decade takeaway Irvin. How soon we forget. These "Triplets", as they were once known, seem to have forgotten, amidst the glare of TV cameras and perhaps trying to hold on to visibility for as long as possible, how exactly they were successful. Well, for this discussion anyway, they didn't do it with a guy like T.O. Further, they did it running the ball and wearing out the opposition as it both tried to stop Smith and also cover all of those targets in the passing game. Did you catch that? ALL of those targets.

Now we can once again look at the Dallas offense, at more than one position mind you, and see numerous weapons that will be nearly impossible to defend. Seems like the word used to describe Da' Boys back in the 90's was "balance". They weren't winning because an undrafted quarterback from a small school was trying his best to sling it all over the yard like Brett Favre, one of the most over-rated and definitely over-hyped quarterbacks ever.

Allow me to also point out that T.O. has no rings. Neither does Randy Moss. Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin (both in the same offense!)? Nope. Chad Johnson (I refuse to acknowledge his new last name)? C'mon. Look at the teams who have one Super Bowls recently and it's rather surprising how little marquee talent is needed at wide receiver to win even multiple titles. Hines Ward? He's not 6'3" and outrunning smaller defenders! Ward has two rings! He's also got some character and leadership going.

I do not think the Cowboys will win a Super Bowl this year but rather see next year as a likely push ... and a serious one for several reasons I'll discuss at another time. I do, however, think that Dallas is at least a strong contender in the NFC East as I'm not at all sold on Washington for as long as Dan Snyder owns the team. Andy Reid will never win a Super Bowl in Philadelphia passing as often as he does and then when he does run he relies on the most brittle back in the game in Brian Westbrook. And that leaves New York, the trendy pick to win the East. The mouthpieces seem to have forgotten, unlike the Giants themselves, that on offense there is no
sign of any primary wide receiver, period. Further, and worse yet, we'll finally get to see Osi Umenyiora operating without Michael Strahan for an entire season. Food for thought? Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiwanuka combined for as many sacks as DeMarcus Ware posted by himself last year.

I think Dallas wins the NFC East as I'm predicting that only one team is going to the playoffs out of that division. And if Dallas does indeed miss the postseason once again, it will be because the Cowboys can't stop the run which I'm concerned they still can't do very well with an undersized nose guard for the fifth straight year in the 3-4. A meager 8 pics last year despite all those sacks is all the proof you need so please don't argue that point. But it won't be because Roy Williams can't play wide receiver or because T.O.'s touchdowns (and drops) are no longer a part of the picture.
 

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Why does anyone care about the lousy season projections? Has people projecting we'd win the superbowl helped us? How is this going to hurt us? They can predict 0-16 for all I care.
 

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Rarely do any preseason predictions come true, there's just too many variables that come into play during a season...

What I do find funny about the predictions about the upcoming season is how the same people who said T.O. was part of the reason for our failings last season now claim that him being gone is is the reason why we fail this season.

You can't have it both ways.

I can't wait for the games to begin... thankfully the season isn't decided in the halls of ESPN, it's decided on field.
 

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bootyhunta;2929314 said:
What I do find funny about the predictions about the upcoming season is how the same people who said T.O. was part of the reason for our failings last season now claim that him being gone is is the reason why we fail this season.

Not quite. They just don't feel confident that Roy Williams and our cast of characters is talented enough to overcome what Owens brought minus the drama. Most aren't thinking deep enough (or bothering to) that perhaps we will adjust and compensate for the loss of aerial firepower with a shorter passing game and more ball control. Sure, we won't be as explosive as 2007, but that's what people think we will do this year as well. I'd be shocked if the offense doesn't look radically different.

If we acquired another top of the line WR, even a rookie, I think you would see a different spin.
 

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bootyhunta;2929314 said:
What I do find funny about the predictions about the upcoming season is how the same people who said T.O. was part of the reason for our failings last season now claim that him being gone is is the reason why we fail this season.
That never ceases to amaze me either.
 

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You let someone's opinion infuriate you too easily.

And are you sure Roy runs better routes than Owens? I have my doubts.
 

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I am "all in" for Roy. I think he should do really well here.

He is an upgrade when it comes to hands and jumpball.
He is a downgrade for deep threat, he has thrown Romo under bus already(last year and this year) and he did seem somewhat lazy.

Lets see.

With that said.... I am glad to have him.
 

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I like RW....and I think they will be fine with him as a number 1

RW isnt Owens and Owens isnt RW....different type of player

I dont know if RW runs better routes.....didnt see RW play in Det...so from what I witnessed last year....RW doesnt run better routes.

Better hands....yes.......hope to see RW get some seperation.

We just need RW to force safety help....that will help the rest of the team.

If teams can man us up at WR.....then we will be in trouble IMHO.
 

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I can't wait till Sunday when we will have something important to talk about.
 

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Roy does run as good a route/last year with the injured foot and figuring things out it was not a normal year for him. I have watched him in Detroit and he was very precise. So frankly that arguement is BS.

Spreading the ball out is the only way ANY team in the NFL succeeds any more. THere is no SUPERMAN that you can throw to no matter what kind of coverage there is. With our good WRs outside of Roy, and our two TE's that have the appearance of really making D's sweat, and add to that our 3 headed monster RB situation, we should be more like the 90's boys in that we run as much as we pass unlike in 2007. Discipline and not making mistakes are the two worries I have- personel wise We are fine.
 

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i do think it is a joke, how people can prop up the giants who have no WR close to RW calibur, but say dallas will suck cause we have no #1 WR.. it's comical.
 

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bootyhunta;2929314 said:
Rarely do any preseason predictions come true, there's just too many variables that come into play during a season...

What I do find funny about the predictions about the upcoming season is how the same people who said T.O. was part of the reason for our failings last season now claim that him being gone is is the reason why we fail this season.

You can't have it both ways.

I can't wait for the games to begin... thankfully the season isn't decided in the halls of ESPN, it's decided on field.


Funny, I haven't seen any of those people. In fact the "releasing T.O. will make the team better" group are actually doing more of the whistling through the graveyard thing.

I agree that Roy Williams doesn't have to be T.O. for this team to be effective. But the laugher for me was when the original poster claimed that RW was a better route runner than T.O. Roy's route running was his achilles heel the minute he stepped into Dallas. It was pointed out by Sanders, Aikman, and Irvin ad naseum last year.
 

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Once again you are taking LAST year and not looking at his previous years. So that arguement is BS.

And a LOT of people were moaning about losing TO that were crying about his antics last year. Not our problem if you did not notice the hundreds of posts like that.
 

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skinsscalper;2929396 said:
Funny, I haven't seen any of those people. In fact the "releasing T.O. will make the team better" group are actually doing more of the whistling through the graveyard thing.

I agree that Roy Williams doesn't have to be T.O. for this team to be effective. But the laugher for me was when the original poster claimed that RW was a better route runner than T.O. Roy's route running was his achilles heel the minute he stepped into Dallas. It was pointed out by Sanders, Aikman, and Irvin ad naseum last year.
TO has been known to be a poor route runner. It was Aikman during a game that pointed out Roy Williams' route running being bad, but the one problem was he didn't know that Roy was playing with plantar fascia. Anyone playing with that kind of injury wouldn't be able to plant for crisp route running.
 

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burmafrd;2929399 said:
Once again you are taking LAST year and not looking at his previous years. So that arguement is BS.

And a LOT of people were moaning about losing TO that were crying about his antics last year. Not our problem if you did not notice the hundreds of posts like that.

All I know is what I've seen. And what I've seen is that his route running sucks.

And no, I don't follow posters around to keep track of where they stand on the T.O. issue. I actually have a life. If you feel the need to validate your argument by posting some examples, by all means knock yourself out. Otherwise, ICGASL.
 

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Iago33;2929329 said:
You let someone's opinion infuriate you too easily.

And are you sure Roy runs better routes than Owens? I have my doubts.

Better routes? Unknown. Sharper Cuts, looks a little more precise, less lazy on some of our dominant routes? I would say unquestionably.
 

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speedkilz88;2929407 said:
TO has been known to be a poor route runner. It was Aikman during a game that pointed out Roy Williams' route running being bad, but the one problem was he didn't know that Roy was playing with plantar fascia. Anyone playing with that kind of injury wouldn't be able to plant for crisp route running.


That makes sense. And, yes, Irvin and Sanders pointed out the same flaws in his game.

Like I said earlier, All I know is what I've seen. What I've seen isn't good. I admit that I didn't watch a lot of RW in college or Detroit, so my ignorance is on full display here. I'll certainly admit if I am wrong about the guy. I know one thing. I don't feel the need to hate RW just because I disagreed with releasing Owens. But, I would be lying if I said I had no doubt about Roy.
 

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skinsscalper;2929418 said:
That makes sense. And, yes, Irvin and Sanders pointed out the same flaws in his game.

Like I said earlier, All I know is what I've seen. What I've seen isn't good. I admit that I didn't watch a lot of RW in college or Detroit, so my ignorance is on full display here. I'll certainly admit if I am wrong about the guy. I know one thing. I don't feel the need to hate RW just because I disagreed with releasing Owens. But, I would be lying if I said I had no doubt about Roy.
Irvin and Sanders brought it up because Aikman did in that game.(It snowballed from there) They didn't know about the plantar fascia either.

Roy has done very well in camp and preseason, even his critics in the local media have acknowledged that.
 

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speedkilz88;2929425 said:
Irvin and Sanders brought it up because Aikman did in that game.(It snowballed from there) They didn't know about the plantar fascia either.

Roy has done very well in camp and preseason, even his critics in the local media have acknowledged that.


That was one thing that I found very encouraging. Especially when Aikman manned up on national TV and basically reminded everyone of how critical he had been of Roy in the past and that he was impressed with how Roy had an impressive off-season.

If that doesn't get you atleast a LITTLE excited about Roy, then I'm not sure you would be happy with ANY level of success that Roy might bring.

Isn't plantar fascia the same thing that plagued Newman a couple of years ago?
 
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