Run It Back

[Blitzen]

I thought I would need to wait until after the NFCCG for this thread. I thought the team was good enough to beat two fairly weak NFC opponents at home, and then go to SF and lose (hopefully playing valiantly). Then I would discuss getting rid of Dak afterwards and endured getting name called non stop. This performance makes the notion even more prevalent.

No matter the defense played terrible. No matter that the receivers were not consistently running wide open every single play. No matter the running game was not averaging 6-8 yards per carry. No matter going 12-5 and beating the snot out of the Giants (twice), Washington (twice), Panthers, Patriots, and Jets. The squad has proven it is a middle to upper middle tier 2 team, of which there are many. There are only two tier 1 teams this season. They can consistently beat tier 3 teams, compete and occasionally win versus tier 2 teams, and typically get dominated by tier 1 teams. They got blown out by tier 2 teams twice in the last 30 days (once at home), and were disastrous offensively on both games. They plateau at upper middle tier 2, and look like extreme long shots to ever land in tier 1 with Dak as QB.

Trying to build a tier 1 team with Dak as QB seems like pure fantasy (no matter if we give it another 7 seasons). The team will always grade as a tier 2 squad (ranked 5-16 in the league) with Dak, which also means they will never be a tier 3. I hear a bunch of crap about how difficult it is to find an adequate QB. I completely renounce this stance. It is difficult to impossible to build or rebuild a team in 2-3 seasons. There is immense pressure to take dramatic risks, and lots of teams fail spectacularly because of it. Scores of young rookie QB’s are ruined in the process.

Most franchises do not have the luxury of really long build times. Continuity is not the modus operandi for most squads. I can think of a few other teams that have been able to do it other than Dallas (Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle, Kansas City now and San Francisco). The difference between the Cowboys and these clubs is deep playoff runs, Super Bowl appearances or wins in the last 20 seasons. The other clubs trust the staff to do the job because they have done it in the past, but even these teams will scrap the key architects if the arrow is pointing sideways or down (Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and I’m hearing possibly Mike Tomlin depending).

Any extension of Dak is guaranteeing this ceiling. They will extend him in my opinion because Jerry does not want to risk a truly awful season or “oh no” awful 2-3 seasons. If you need another 6-7 seasons to see Dak’s ceiling you already drowned in the koolaid. Good luck Cowboys.

 

[Mk2_Cowboys]

Intelligent post. You’re right.
Dak feasts on tomato can teams and is one of the worst in the league against good teams. He does just enough to prevent us from ever picking a QB with a draft pick yet does nothing except beat teams Cooper Rush could beat. We are stuck because Jerry is 81 and doesn’t have the time . Personally wins next year won’t even matter , it’s sad but Cowboys have become unwatchable at this point. Every year they build a record of 12-5 against bad teams, raise expectations to just flame out.

 

[Blitzen]

Intelligent post. You’re right.
Dak feasts on tomato can teams and is one of the worst in the league against good teams. He does just enough to prevent us from ever picking a QB with a draft pick yet does nothing except beat teams Cooper Rush could beat. We are stuck because Jerry is 81 and doesn’t have the time . Personally wins next year won’t even matter , it’s sad but Cowboys have become unwatchable at this point. Every year they build a record of 12-5 against bad teams, raise expectations to just flame out.

I actually think they build it by beating almost every bad team they face, plus some other tier 2 squads. Seattle and Detroit were the best wins from this season (LA Rams I guess too but they got better as the season wore on)-and they were close (except Rams) and in Detroit’s case controversial.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Dak isn't the problem. He's just a player giving it all and trying to get the best (money) out of it. Like all the other players.

Nah, the problem sits in the FO. They just won't cut lose of him for whatever reasons. Heck I could live with an honest 3-14 season now if it was the start of a rebuilding process. Dak wasted another 3 to 4 years and the FO does nothing? I don't even need a plan B right now, just get as many picks as you can for Martin, Micah, whoever (I'd keep Lamb, Aubrey and Ferguson though, and all the depth guys) and rebuild. And let's try a young(er) HC for a change. I really don't like Belichick. The great 90s started with a 1 win season.

But as I said, that's not on Dak. He can't play better, but the decisions have to be made elsewhere. I really really can't cope with any more of this "we like our guys" BS.

 

[Blitzen]

Dak isn't the problem. He's just a player giving it all and trying to get the best (money) out of it. Like all the other players.

Nah, the problem sits in the FO. They just won't cut lose of him for whatever reasons. Heck I could live with an honest 3-14 season now if it was the start of a rebuilding process. Dak wasted another 3 to 4 years and the FO does nothing? I don't even need a plan B right now, just get as many picks as you can for Martin, Micah, whoever (I'd keep Lamb, Aubrey and Ferguson though, and all the depth guys) and rebuild. And let's try a young(er) HC for a change. I really don't like Belichick. The great 90s started with a 1 win season.

But as I said, that's not on Dak. He can't play better, but the decisions have to be made elsewhere. I really really can't cope with any more of this "we like our guys" BS.

I understand that, but Dak is a limiting factor to getting the playoff success we all want. Since Jerry and family are not going anywhere, I am not commenting on the immovable object.

 

[Streifenkarl]

I understand that, but Dak is a limiting factor to getting the playoff success we all want. Since Jerry and family are not going anywhere, I am not commenting on the immovable object.

Oh I agree, he needs to go. My point was, you shouldn't hate him for not being good enough. I'm 100% sure he's giving everything he's got. But the QB1 decision is made in the FO. We wasted too much time on Romo, and we're making the same mistake again with Dak.

 

[raven55]

the whole team is a fantasy

 

[Brooksey]

I thought I would need to wait until after the NFCCG for this thread. I thought the team was good enough to beat two fairly weak NFC opponents at home, and then go to SF and lose (hopefully playing valiantly). Then I would discuss getting rid of Dak afterwards and endured getting name called non stop. This performance makes the notion even more prevalent.

No matter the defense played terrible. No matter that the receivers were not consistently running wide open every single play. No matter the running game was not averaging 6-8 yards per carry. No matter going 12-5 and beating the snot out of the Giants (twice), Washington (twice), Panthers, Patriots, and Jets. The squad has proven it is a middle to upper middle tier 2 team, of which there are many. There are only two tier 1 teams this season. They can consistently beat tier 3 teams, compete and occasionally win versus tier 2 teams, and typically get dominated by tier 1 teams. They got blown out by tier 2 teams twice in the last 30 days (once at home), and were disastrous offensively on both games. They plateau at upper middle tier 2, and look like extreme long shots to ever land in tier 1 with Dak as QB.

Trying to build a tier 1 team with Dak as QB seems like pure fantasy (no matter if we give it another 7 seasons). The team will always grade as a tier 2 squad (ranked 5-16 in the league) with Dak, which also means they will never be a tier 3. I hear a bunch of crap about how difficult it is to find an adequate QB. I completely renounce this stance. It is difficult to impossible to build or rebuild a team in 2-3 seasons. There is immense pressure to take dramatic risks, and lots of teams fail spectacularly because of it. Scores of young rookie QB’s are ruined in the process.

Most franchises do not have the luxury of really long build times. Continuity is not the modus operandi for most squads. I can think of a few other teams that have been able to do it other than Dallas (Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New England, Seattle, Kansas City now and San Francisco). The difference between the Cowboys and these clubs is deep playoff runs, Super Bowl appearances or wins in the last 20 seasons. The other clubs trust the staff to do the job because they have done it in the past, but even these teams will scrap the key architects if the arrow is pointing sideways or down (Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and I’m hearing possibly Mike Tomlin depending).

Any extension of Dak is guaranteeing this ceiling. They will extend him in my opinion because Jerry does not want to risk a truly awful season or “oh no” awful 2-3 seasons. If you need another 6-7 seasons to see Dak’s ceiling you already drowned in the koolaid. Good luck Cowboys.

Our only chance with Dak is to field the #1 defense and run game. We had zero LB depth after LVE and our run game was average at best.

Blame the GM

 

[raven55]

you can't have a almost 8 year qb constantly throwing easy picks in a playoff game any college qb could see that cd was covered up by the two guys but this so called mvp couldn't

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I thought the team was good enough to beat two fairly weak NFC opponents at home

Why? All season what did this team show us consistently. Anytime they run up against an opponent who is slightly above average they struggle. Both offensively and defensively. That was what was consistently shown but everyone ignored that and was obsessed with Dak's numbers, CeeDee's numbers, Bland's INT's etc. The only statistic that mattered was how this team responded to adversity, how this team responded when faced with an opponent who was going to hit them in the mouth. Guess what, every game that happened they lost. See Arizona, 49-ers, Bills and GB yesterday. So yea you can claim that it's two "weak NFC opponents at home" but weak by what standards? Because GB wasn't weak by Cowboys standards. Weak by Cowboys standards would be the Giants and Commanders who have no QB and are rebuilding.

 

[Homer]

Our only chance with Dak is to field the #1 defense and run game. We had zero LB depth after LVE and our run game was average at best.

Blame the GM

This

Dak needed and entire half to finally start getting in his groove. cannot have that.

The defense needed to shut down the packers completely in the first half in order to give dak and the offense a fighting chance. that obviously didn't happen and Dak began playing even tighter.

 

[Blitzen]

Our only chance with Dak is to field the #1 defense and run game. We had zero LB depth after LVE and our run game was average at best.

Blame the GM

Yeah. I do. I was not wanting to comment on the immovable object. The Dak should end immediately. I figured I might get some people to engage about team building and why there are waaay too many overrated QB’s. Building the squad out is tough. Dan’s defense relies on too many small guys-BUT they excel playing from ahead. Because they are built primarily to defend the pass. The defense needs a young Bobby Wagner in his prime.

 

[Blitzen]

Why? All season what did this team show us consistently. Anytime they run up against an opponent who is slightly above average they struggle. Both offensively and defensively. That was what was consistently shown but everyone ignored that and was obsessed with Dak's numbers, CeeDee's numbers, Bland's INT's etc. The only statistic that mattered was how this team responded to adversity, how this team responded when faced with an opponent who was going to hit them in the mouth. Guess what, every game that happened they lost. See Arizona, 49-ers, Bills and GB yesterday. So yea you can claim that it's two "weak NFC opponents at home" but weak by what standards? Because GB wasn't weak by Cowboys standards. Weak by Cowboys standards would be the Giants and Commanders who have no QB and are rebuilding.

They scored lots of points versus Seattle and the Rams at home. They played close to Detroit. There are no elite teams other than San Francisco in the NFC. Love and the Packers offense got an early lead and it played against the strengths of both the offense and defense.

 

[jsb357]

in my best Jones voice "we like our guys"

 

[raven55]

jones family sounds a lot like the al davis that destroyed the raiders and now look at them so get ready for a lot of bs mumbling after they set down and drink a bunch of rot gut on there party boat

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak isn't the problem. He's just a player giving it all and trying to get the best (money) out of it. Like all the other players.

Nah, the problem sits in the FO. They just won't cut lose of him for whatever reasons. Heck I could live with an honest 3-14 season now if it was the start of a rebuilding process. Dak wasted another 3 to 4 years and the FO does nothing? I don't even need a plan B right now, just get as many picks as you can for Martin, Micah, whoever (I'd keep Lamb, Aubrey and Ferguson though, and all the depth guys) and rebuild. And let's try a young(er) HC for a change. I really don't like Belichick. The great 90s started with a 1 win season.

But as I said, that's not on Dak. He can't play better, but the decisions have to be made elsewhere. I really really can't cope with any more of this "we like our guys" BS.

Dak is a problem. If you are going to allocate 20% of the cap for the QB position you best be certain that the dude commanding that salary can limit the mistakes on the big stage.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I understand that, but Dak is a limiting factor to getting the playoff success we all want. Since Jerry and family are not going anywhere, I am not commenting on the immovable object.

It goes hand in hand. You think Dak is the problem but the immovable object is ehh he’s our quarterback to begin with lol.

 

[raven55]

the dak attack is dead and will remain dead he makes some throws but as shown through he makes to many BONE HEAD THROWS and a franchise qb commanding that salary he is not quailfied to make

 

[jsb357]

jones family sounds a lot like the al davis that destroyed the raiders and now look at them so get ready for a lot of bs mumbling after they set down and drink a bunch of rot gut on there party boat

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you need another 6-7 seasons to see Dak’s ceiling you already drowned in the koolaid.

Exactly. I've said it for a long time. He is who we thought he was.