Sacks Allowed

[xwalker]

I was reviewing the sacks from the past 5 games. I thought some people might be interested.
The format is:
Quarter, Time Remaining
Time to Sack
Defender credited with sack
My assignment of primary blame.
Names in parenthesis () is secondary blame.

Eagles wk15
2nd 12:58, 3 seconds, F. Cox, Leary
2nd 5:29, 3.5 seconds, Barwin, Hanna
3rd 12:33, 3.5 seconds, C. Thornton, Tyron/Martin/Leary
3rd 6:59, 9 seconds, V. Curry, Romo (Parnell/Martin)

Indy wk16
3rd 13:13, 4 seconds, A. Jones, Tyron

Skins wk17
Zero sacks

Lions
1st 0:46, 2 seconds, Tapp, Fred snapped it early (Parnell)
2nd 14:54, 3.5 seconds, Ihedigbo, (blitz) Parnell or Martin or Clutts blocked the wrong guy.
2nd 6:12, 2.5 seconds, Whitehead, scheme (blitz) Play-action prevented RB from picking up the blitz.
3rd 13:33, 4.5 seconds, Ansah, Parnell/Romo
4th 14:00, Suh, 7.5 seconds, Romo/Martin
4th 13:12, Suh, 7 seconds, Romo

Green Bay
1st 13:38, 3 seconds, Leary
3rd 0:09, 3.5 seconds, Perry, Tyron
4th 15:00, 4 seconds, N.Perry and M.Daniels, Leary
4th 6:26, 7 seconds, M.Neal and D.Jones, Romo

 

[Rack]

Yeah the OL faded a bit towards the end of the season, no doubt. But we're out of the playoffs cuz of Aaron Rogers' clean uniform and horrible officiating more than our OL becoming "human".

 

[mldardy]

More like Romo took sacks when he didn't have to.

 

[RS12]

More like Romo took sacks when he didn't have to.

I agree with this. Throwing ball away trumps eating ball.

 

[Wishbone82]

More like Romo took sacks when he didn't have to.

That is one flaw that i think is holding Romo back at this point.... he seemed to do fairly well during the season in throwing the ball away when he had to. The playoffs though, he seemed alot more reluctant to hold the ball as long and dang necessary to find the player open. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll ever change from this habit. It's the one quality that Russel Wilson has over him, he will gladly throw the ball away to see what next play is (granted he does have a damn good defense to be able to do that) He seems to have that Big Ben quality to him where he is determined to let the play go for as long as humanly possible. You take the good and the bad.

 

[Eskimo]

What's considered the present working definition of a coverage sack?

I would think 3.5-4 seconds would seem to be enough time to get the ball out in a non-blitz situation. The amount for different blitz situations would probably depend on the amount of blitzers sent.

I really think part of the problem is that Dez and TWill just don't get open quickly because they are long striders and neither are great route runners.

 

[Rack]

What's considered the present working definition of a coverage sack?

I would think 3.5-4 seconds would seem to be enough time to get the ball out in a non-blitz situation. The amount for different blitz situations would probably depend on the amount of blitzers sent.

I really think part of the problem is that Dez and TWill just don't get open quickly because they are long striders and neither are great route runners.

Or that we often call pass plays with too many deep routes.

 

[Galian Beast]

It's funny people used to complain that we didn't take shots deep enough anymore.

Now people are complaining that Romo is holding the ball too long.

You can't really have it both ways.

That being said, there should be a safety valve option somewhere there to prevent the sack.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

People have the same complaint about Aaron Rodgers. That he holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks trying to make something happen. I don't see many people complaining right now.

I dunno. I'm okay with it, honestly. There are so many times throughout the year that we had huge plays happen because instead of just tossing the ball away, Romo made something happen. I mean, if this is our biggest complaint at this point in Romo's career, then he's obviously doing something right.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree with this. Throwing ball away trumps eating ball.

I think we all agree with this.

Romo did throw it away twice vs Green Bay
Throwing the ball away can have many devastating scenarios happen as well though--which is one reason Rodgers takes the same approach.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

More like Romo took sacks when he didn't have to.

Tony spoke at length about this after the Detroit game. He is intentionally taking sacks as opposed to making a stupid play and giving the ball back to the other team, and not just interceptions, but strip sacks.

 

[Crown Royal]

I think much more is made about Romo taking sacks than necessary. So long as it doesn't take you out of field position and you don't fumble, it's a coverage sack and I'm happy that he's willing to take a hit to extend a play.

 

[romothesavior]

Or that we often call pass plays with too many deep routes.

This.

 

[DBOY3141]

I'd rather have a sack than an INT. Throwing it away can also lead to intentional grounding which is subjective in some eyes.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If the QB has more than 2.8 seconds to throw, then the people involved in the pass and completion (QB and WR) usually deserve some of the blame.

It's hard grading O-Line's without knowing the play because there are so many variables.

A blitz could come and the play is set up to have only 5 blockers against 7 rushers and the QB has to get the ball out of his hands quickly. Perhaps he doesn't because he doesn't see the receiver (we had a play against the Lions like that where Witten was open and Romo didn't deliver the ball). Maybe the receiver falls down. Or maybe the lineman took a guy, but didn't take the right guy and the QB didn't see the receiver.

So when I see a lot of sacks coming in the 3.5 seconds to 4 second range, I tend to think that some of that comes from the QB and possibly the receivers.




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[Doomsday101]

It's funny people used to complain that we didn't take shots deep enough anymore.

Now people are complaining that Romo is holding the ball too long.

You can't really have it both ways.

That being said, there should be a safety valve option somewhere there to prevent the sack.

In many cases there is a dump off man, but given things like down and distance I think Romo choose to look for the throw that will achieve the 1st down or more.

 

[DFWJC]

I was reviewing the sacks from the past 5 games. I thought some people might be interested.
The format is:
Quarter, Time Remaining
Time to Sack
Defender credited with sack
My assignment of primary blame.
Names in parenthesis () is secondary blame.

Eagles wk15
2nd 12:58, 3 seconds, F. Cox, Leary
2nd 5:29, 3.5 seconds, Barwin, Hanna
3rd 12:33, 3.5 seconds, C. Thornton, Tyron/Martin/Leary
3rd 6:59, 9 seconds, V. Curry, Romo (Parnell/Martin) (drive resulted in FG Dallas)

Indy wk16
3rd 13:13, 4 seconds, A. Jones, Tyron
Skins wk17
Zero sacks

Lions
1st 0:46, 2 seconds, Tapp, Fred snapped it early (Parnell)
2nd 14:54, 3.5 seconds, Ihedigbo, (blitz) Parnell or Martin or Clutts blocked the wrong guy.
2nd 6:12, 2.5 seconds, Whitehead, scheme (blitz) Play-action prevented RB from picking up the blitz.
3rd 13:33, 4.5 seconds, Ansah, Parnell/Romo (missed 41 yard FG)
4th 14:00, Suh, 7.5 seconds, Romo/Martin (drive resulted in FG Dallas)
4th 13:12, Suh, 7 seconds, Romo (drive resulted in FG Dallas)

Green Bay
1st 13:38, 3 seconds, Leary
3rd 0:09, 3.5 seconds, Perry, Tyron
4th 15:00, 4 seconds, N.Perry and M.Daniels, Leary
4th 6:26, 7 seconds, M.Neal and D.Jones, Romo (resulted in completed pass on the GB 1)

Notice that each one of those sacks where Romo could have attempted to throw it away did not lead to a punt or turnover. In fact, each one prolonged a drive that resulted in points, a missed short FG, or the completed pass that got overturned b/c dez tried to stretch (don't blame him).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that Romo did hold the ball too long in certain situations and I also think that there were checkdowns available, that were not thrown to. I also think that Romo made some plays by holding onto the ball so it is what it is.

To me, I think teams figured out that the weakness in our scheme was trying to disguise what they were doing and forcing the OL to make late adjustments. Youth was the biggest problem in our pass protection IMO. That's something that is going to improve. It doesn't help that we take the clock down so often. It's hard for OL to adjust when they only have a second to figure out how to adjust their protection. I would like to see us go a little more up tempo and snap the ball a little earlier in the play clock. I think it would help.

 

[mahoneybill]

That is one flaw that i think is holding Romo back at this point.... he seemed to do fairly well during the season in throwing the ball away when he had to. The playoffs though, he seemed alot more reluctant to hold the ball as long and dang necessary to find the player open. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll ever change from this habit. It's the one quality that Russel Wilson has over him, he will gladly throw the ball away to see what next play is (granted he does have a damn good defense to be able to do that) He seems to have that Big Ben quality to him where he is determined to let the play go for as long as humanly possible. You take the good and the bad.

Posted in another thread that " throwing the ball away" will be the next improvement we see from Tony next year. he did a great job this year of not throwing Ints

 

[mahoneybill]

I think that Romo did hold the ball too long in certain situations and I also think that there were checkdowns available, that were not thrown to. I also think that Romo made some plays by holding onto the ball so it is what it is.

To me, I think teams figured out that the weakness in our scheme was trying to disguise what they were doing and forcing the OL to make late adjustments. Youth was the biggest problem in our pass protection IMO. That's something that is going to improve. It doesn't help that we take the clock down so often. It's hard for OL to adjust when they only have a second to figure out how to adjust their protection. I would like to see us go a little more up tempo and snap the ball a little earlier in the play clock. I think it would help.

If this OLine is to become the next "Great Wall" then I see that they are already ahead of the first one. Watch the " Great Wall of Dallas" and be surprised regarding how many of those same players were involved in the Eagles 11 sack fest against Aikman....