Saints, Payton in Vicodin controversy

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WarC;3390859 said:
comes out to just a little more than a pill a day. Split between two people, it'd be half a pill a day. When proscribed for pain the effects are expected to last between 4-6 hours. It looks like it was used therapeutically for a short period of time.

Oh the tangled web we weave, watching how the biased works.

Watch as media outlets across the Country will try to vendicate New Orleans with Payton just as they executed Dallas with Wilson.





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HoleInTheRoof;3390695 said:
Nothing will likely come from this . . . but every distraction and controversy helps.

Suspensions and indictments are something. Give it a week or so.
 

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lspain1;3390754 said:
If I were Wade and Jerry I would sure remind the League office about Wade Wilson and state that the Cowboys will be watching closely any disciplinary actions handed down in this matter.
I e-mailed the Commissioner personally to remind him.
 

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Hostile;3390988 said:
I e-mailed the Commissioner personally to remind him.

Perhaps you should remind him of what he said....

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell defended the action taken against Cowboys quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson, calling it appropriate, during an appearance on NBC's Football Night in America on Sunday. "I suspended him for five games because I think a coach should be held to a higher standard. That is why I approached it that way," Goodell said. "They all understand the rules, and I think we did what was appropriate in Wade Wilson's case, and I'm comfortable with that."

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/21598
 

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I doubt a hefty punishment will come.

The NFL will like spin it into an anti-drug campaign and use Payton as their poster boy.
 

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Hoofbite;3391066 said:
I doubt a hefty punishment will come.

The NFL will like spin it into an anti-drug campaign and use Payton as their poster boy.

That could be true. But if Payton doesn't play a convincing "victim of drugs" role then he might be in for some more legal troubles. A measly suspension would be just a drop in the bucket. I believe this was a felonious action -- the stealing part, unless they just misplaced them.
 

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If you actually read the lawsuit, there is no evidence linking Payton to any wrongdoing, except for one mention of his name. It almost seems like the accuser merely threw his name in there to possibly get more extortion money. I really have a new appreciation for you guys as a fanbase/organization after this whole thing. It seems like people just want to believe this even without all the facts. I can't imagine having to put up with it all the time like you guys do.
 

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Yeah, they haven't even talked about it on Outside The Lines...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5159556

It's sad that so many Cowboys fans whine and whine about the media coverage.

Sound like a bunch of parents who are constantly crying 'my kid would never do that'.

Like the Cowboys don't get all kinds of coverage on everything surrounding them whether it's negative or positive.

Dez was completely out of shape on day one and it was reported along with the fact that he was fighting thru it and catching everything in sight.

But some fans only wanted to talk about the idea that the media talked about him being out of shape.

For the next two days everyone reported that he was a one of kind talent and was going to be a great player for this team.

Fans were still talking about the first reports on him being out of shape.

So I guess the media are supposed to be like the guys at DC.com or else they are BSPN.

The funny part is that the Cowboys players and the owner don't even buy into the BS that all of the fans do.

Ratliff was on First Take tomorrow. Jerry was on two days during the draft. Miles is doing the run on Friday.

And everyone watches those things and doesn't say a word.

Yet as soon as it's something tilted in a bad light or something that makes them frown the fans start saying ESPN hates the Cowboys.

It's just silly.

I put up the article on Dez' mom the other day and it went berserko over the next six hours with posts and discussion.

Yet it wasn't news, lol. Then why the hell was it the most popular thread on the board?

I think we should all really listen to Hostile. The man gets it 100%. He always gets me back on track when I start getting annoyed as people bash me on here.

Then he adds some much need knowledge to my brain with three simple words...

Embrace The Hate.
 

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I really do not blame him I would load up on Vicodin if I had to hear "Who Dat" all the time. :laugh2:
 

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Hoofbite;3391066 said:
I doubt a hefty punishment will come.

The NFL will like spin it into an anti-drug campaign and use Payton as their poster boy.

Why would they be punished if they did nothing wrong?

Even Big Ben was guilty of something.

He put himself in a BS situation and already had a past issue.
 

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dcfanatic;3391389 said:
Why would they be punished if they did nothing wrong?

Even Big Ben was guilty of something.

He put himself in a BS situation and already had a past issue.
He's saying he thinks they probably did it but won't be punished anyway.

I hope the NFL is going to investigate. Theft of vicodin and other pain killers is a federal offense.
 

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dcfanatic;3391387 said:
Yeah, they haven't even talked about it on Outside The Lines...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5159556

It's sad that so many Cowboys fans whine and whine about the media coverage.

Sound like a bunch of parents who are constantly crying 'my kid would never do that'.

Like the Cowboys don't get all kinds of coverage on everything surrounding them whether it's negative or positive.

Dez was completely out of shape on day one and it was reported along with the fact that he was fighting thru it and catching everything in sight.

But some fans only wanted to talk about the idea that the media talked about him being out of shape.

For the next two days everyone reported that he was a one of kind talent and was going to be a great player for this team.

Fans were still talking about the first reports on him being out of shape.

So I guess the media are supposed to be like the guys at DC.com or else they are BSPN.

The funny part is that the Cowboys players and the owner don't even buy into the BS that all of the fans do.

Ratliff was on First Take tomorrow. Jerry was on two days during the draft. Miles is doing the run on Friday.

And everyone watches those things and doesn't say a word.

Yet as soon as it's something tilted in a bad light or something that makes them frown the fans start saying ESPN hates the Cowboys.

It's just silly.

I put up the article on Dez' mom the other day and it went berserko over the next six hours with posts and discussion.

Yet it wasn't news, lol. Then why the hell was it the most popular thread on the board?

I think we should all really listen to Hostile. The man gets it 100%. He always gets me back on track when I start getting annoyed as people bash me on here.

Then he adds some much need knowledge to my brain with three simple words...

Embrace The Hate.

Paragraphs, my friend. ;)
 

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Hostile;3391447 said:
He's saying he thinks they probably did it but won't be punished anyway.

I hope the NFL is going to investigate. Theft of vicodin and other pain killers is a federal offense.

Hey if they prove they did it ban them for a year.

I read the entire history on the story and it seems to me the guy presenting the suit doesn't know who took the pills, but he threw those names in because it would make major news and the Saints would pay up.

The guy has a great resume too coming from the FBI.

And I guarantee the video on this is now gone.

But the latest states he has recorded calls so let's hear them.
 

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dcfanatic;3391471 said:
Hey if they prove they did it ban them for a year.

I read the entire history on the story and it seems to me the guy presenting the suit doesn't know who took the pills, but he threw those names in because it would make major news and the Saints would pay up.

The guy has a great resume too coming from the FBI.

And I guarantee the video on this is now gone.

But the latest states he has recorded calls so let's hear them.
Not necessarily true..

Peter King had a pretty good summary of it all and while Payton's role (if any) isn't clear, the allegation against Vito is pretty clear...and that there is video of Vito going in/out of the drug cabinet (or whatever) they're calling it to get pills until the trainer moved the pills.


Every NFL team has to account for the prescription drugs it dispenses. The training staff keeps medication under lock and key and distributes it only after a team doctor prescribes it. Apparently, Vitt was being prescribed Vicodin -- it's possible that Payton, at some point, may have been taking it as prescribed, too. The lawsuit makes it clear that from January to April 2009, a theft of approximately 110 Vicodin tablets occurred from the drug locker. Santini's suit says Loomis directed a hidden camera to be installed in the trainer's room, so any further theft of Vicodin could be captured on video.

On the morning of April 30, 2009, according to the suit, Santini was informed that eight pills were missing from a Vicodin bottle of 100 pills. The videotape showed Senior Staff Member B -- Vitt -- using the keys from trainer Scottie Patton's office to open the drug locker and take eight pills from a bottle of Vicodin.

When Santini told Loomis about the theft, the suit alleges, Loomis told Santini and the trainers "to keep all of this confidential ... Plaintiff then told GM Loomis that the video needed to be copied for use during the NFL audit. GM Loomis stated, 'No, this is not a criminal investigation.' Plaintiff told Loomis the event should be reported and without copying the video it would eventually be overwritten by the recording equipment and erased. Loomis told the Plaintiff to 'let it go,' in effect instructing the Plaintiff to allow the destruction of evidence of a felony. Plaintiff then told GM Loomis that the crime should be reported, and he [Loomis] stated 'this is not a criminal investigation.'' GM Loomis left plaintiff's office and plaintiff made a copy of the video onto a video cassette.''

After "SSMB'' was caught taking 12 pills the next day, the bottle was moved to a more secure location. The following day SSMB was taped unsuccessfully trying to gain access to the pills. Santini alleges that Patton, in a meeting two weeks later, was going to adjust the dispensing logs "to reflect that SSMB had received all of the missing Vicodin, such that the totals on the monthly recap sheets would match the total dispensed.'' The suit says that in a meeting the next day, assistant trainer Kevin Mangum told Santini of the directive to adjust the logs, adding, "I think, I think it came from Mickey.''

Payton's involvement in the case seems almost tangential. Most of the accusations concern Vitt allegedly stealing the Vicodin and Santini describing Loomis trying to cover it up. On page six of the suit, Santini asks Mangum, referring to Payton, "How are they going to explain [SSMA]?''

"He's stopped,'' Mangum said, according to the suit. "Somebody has talked to him.''

On June 22, the suit alleges, Patton told Santini he would not change the logs, and a day later, Loomis told Santini the logs would not be changed before being turned in to the NFL for an annual audit. "Later in the conversation, GM Loomis stated that [SSMB] admitted to him that [SSMB] had stolen all of the pills,'' the suit says.

Later, the suit says, "Subsequent conversations ensued between plaintiff and GM Loomis concerning upcoming discussions with the DEA about the situation and the need to keep [SSMA]'s name out of the conversation.''

There you have it. The consequences could be dire for several people -- Loomis, if he's found to have covered up a felony theft of prescription medication; Vitt, if he's found guilty of stealing Vicodin; the trainers, if they're found culpable; and Payton, if he's found to have taken Vicodin without a prescription. Of course, the consequences could be just as dire for Santini if counter-claims by the Saints reveal the story he has told is exaggerated or invented.

"Mickey is adamant he did nothing wrong,'' said a source close to the Saints. "Sean is beside himself -- he swears this is a trumped-up charge.''



 

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WoodysGirl;3391479 said:
Not necessarily true..

Peter King had a pretty good summary of it all and while Payton's role (if any) isn't clear, the allegation against Vito is pretty clear...and that there is video of Vito going in/out of the drug cabinet (or whatever) they're calling it to get pills until the trainer moved the pills.

Yeah, I was talking about actually ingesting the pills.

They can't prove that part about Payton.

They can only prove who took them from the cabinet.
 

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dcfanatic;3391500 said:
Yeah, I was talking about actually ingesting the pills.

They can't prove that part about Payton.

They can only prove who took them from the cabinet.
I would think taking anything out of that locker without proper authorization would be a crime. So that's why the allegations against Payton are hazy.

They may not can prove the addiction or ingestion, but if they have proof of them taking the pills without authorization, that can still be pretty bad.
 

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WoodysGirl;3391570 said:
I would think taking anything out of that locker without proper authorization would be a crime. So that's why the allegations against Payton are hazy.

They may not can prove the addiction or ingestion, but if they have proof of them taking the pills without authorization, that can still be pretty bad.
It is illegal. The trainer is almost mandated by law to account for every single pill.
 
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