Saints Players May Also Get Sanctioned by the NFL

[Hostile]

In my opinion, that is a little much. That's like court martialing a soldier because he followed an officer's orders.

 

[Joe Realist]

any chance we would play the Saints in Turkey Day?

 

[ologan]

In my opinion, that is a little much. That's like court martialing a soldier because he followed an officer's orders.

.....Even though the orders may be unlawful?

 

[slaga]

In my opinion, that is a little much. That's like court martialing a soldier because he followed an officer's orders.

They weren't following orders. Some of the players even offered up money (i.e. Vilma offering $10,000 to a team mate for Farve) out of their own pocket for the bounty program. What they were doing was criminal in nature.

 

[IAMKING]

.....Even though the orders may be unlawful?

Agreed. If a soldier kills all these innocent people but was ordered to do so I would still want him to face punishment.

People know right and wrong.

 

[Hostile]

any chance we would play the Saints in Turkey Day?

Yes, there is a chance of that.

Thinking of offering a drumstick for a bounty?

 

[Galian Beast]

In my opinion, that is a little much. That's like court martialing a soldier because he followed an officer's orders.

Not even slightly similar...

 

[arglebargle]

Not even slightly similar...

Yeah, you'd think that's pretty much standard, nowadays. Nuremburg defense didn't cut it then, but the principle of superior orders is apparantly applied somewhat inconsistantly.

Some of the players may have been a bit too 'enthusiastic' about things though.

 

[WV Cowboy]

They weren't following orders. Some of the players even offered up money (i.e. Vilma offering $10,000 to a team mate for Farve) out of their own pocket for the bounty program. What they were doing was criminal in nature.

Agreed. If a soldier kills all these innocent people but was ordered to do so I would still want him to face punishment.

People know right and wrong.

Not even slightly similar...

Any player that was receiving "extra money" under the table for intentionally hurting people knew it was wrong.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If they hit players with big enough fines and suspensions that will send the kind of message to the players themselves about what they don't want to see going on any longer.

It won't be popular with some, and I understand that and respect that fact, but I would have zero issue with it.

 

[burmafrd]

Vilma and others have it coming. They knew it was wrong and did it anyway.

 

[burmafrd]

Yeah, you'd think that's pretty much standard, nowadays. Nuremburg defense didn't cut it then, but the principle of superior orders is apparantly applied somewhat inconsistantly.

Some of the players may have been a bit too 'enthusiastic' about things though.

For over 40 years soldiers have been taught in boot camp that if you obey a order you know is illegal you are just as much to blame as the officer that gave it.

 

[Rynie]

Slightly off topic, but I hope we DON'T play the Saint's on Thanksgiving. We did that recently. I want the SteAlers on Thanksgiving for some reason.

 

[Beast_from_East]

In my opinion, that is a little much. That's like court martialing a soldier because he followed an officer's orders.

The old "Nuremburg defense"?


Didnt work back then and isnt going to work now. There are going to be alot of Saint players watching the games from their Lazy Boy this year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Any player that was receiving "extra money" under the table for intentionally hurting people knew it was wrong.

Prove that. That's the Rub. You will never be able to prove that a player was doing that. This is not to say that Goodell might not come to his own conclusion but honestly, if you were actually using rule of law on something like that, I don't think you could prove it. JMO

 

[pjtoadie]

Slightly off topic, but I hope we DON'T play the Saint's on Thanksgiving. We did that recently. I want the SteAlers on Thanksgiving for some reason.

It won't be....it's an NFC team this year.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Prove that. That's the Rub. You will never be able to prove that a player was doing that. This is not to say that Goodell might not come to his own conclusion but honestly, if you were actually using rule of law on something like that, I don't think you could prove it. JMO

I didn't say it proved it, I simply said the player knew it was wrong.

The OP was insinuating that the players should not be held accountable.

He received his paycheck from an NFL team for playing football, ... but then got other extra money for intentionally playing dirty and hurting someone, ... he knew that was wrong.

 

[slaga]

Prove that. That's the Rub. You will never be able to prove that a player was doing that. This is not to say that Goodell might not come to his own conclusion but honestly, if you were actually using rule of law on something like that, I don't think you could prove it. JMO

Sean Payton got busted because he left an email trail of his involvement. If the any of the players were as stupid as the coach and offerred a bounty in writing, the NFL may already have the proof they need. Vilma has not once denied the rumor that he offerred up a $10,000 bounty on Favre in the playoff game. If he had not offerred the bounty, wouldn't he be screaming about his innocence? He seems awefully quiet if he is innocent. It seems the NFL already has some proof, probably more than most realize.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't say it proved it, I simply said the player knew it was wrong.

The OP was insinuating that the players should not be held accountable.

He received his paycheck from an NFL team for playing football, ... but then got other extra money for intentionally playing dirty and hurting someone, ... he knew that was wrong.

Very well. You have no proof of this but you have already come to the conclusion that the players did it by virtue of what?

Never in a million years will they make this stick IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sean Payton got busted because he left an email trail of his involvement. If the any of the players were as stupid as the coach and offerred a bounty in writing, the NFL may already have the proof they need. Vilma has not once denied the rumor that he offerred up a $10,000 bounty on Favre in the playoff game. If he had not offerred the bounty, wouldn't he be screaming about his innocence? He seems awefully quiet if he is innocent. It seems the NFL already has some proof, probably more than most realize.

That proves what? You would have to have real proof that a player acted on this and that's going to be almost impossible to prove. If there is proof, I have not heard but perhaps you are right. Perhaps they do but it better be indisputable. I guess we will see.