Saints would be wise to make San Antonio '05 home

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Saints would be wise to make San Antonio '05 home
Posted: Thursday September 1, 2005 1:51PM; Updated: Thursday September 1, 2005 1:51PM


After the damage inflicted on the Superdome this week by Hurricane Katrina, it's unlikely the Saints will be home this season.
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With the enormity of the situation in New Orleans just now starting to sink in, all we really know about the fate of the Saints' 2005 season is that it almost certainly won't play out in the city that was devastated by Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.

Football is a long way down on the city's list of priorities right now, but with the Superdome sitting dank and damaged, and mayor Ray Nagin predicting it could be up to three to four months before New Orleans is fully inhabitable, it's clear the Saints have no home to come home to in time for their Sept. 18 home opener against the Giants.

The most logical and probable scenario for the team is to make its temporary move to San Antonio permanent for the year, in essence becoming in Texas' third NFL franchise while New Orleans recovers and rebuilds.

San Antonio just makes sense. Not only do the Saints have something of a comfort zone there -- owing to the three days the team spent there last September when Hurricane Ivan forced them to evacuate -- but team owner Tom Benson's also has long-standing business ties to the city. Benson formerly owned car dealerships in San Antonio.

Naturally, the NFL isn't crazy about having the Saints play their "home'' games 550 miles from New Orleans. But this is a case of having to make the best of a very bad situation. The Alamodome seats 65,000 for football, it was built with the hopes of luring an NFL tenant and it has played host to both the Cowboys' training camp and some preseason contests in the past.


Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge is the next most likely choice, but LSU is in the midst of major renovation of the venue, and the area has its own hurricane recovery efforts to sort through. When you factor in having to work around the Tigers' home schedule and finding a place where the Saints could practice in Baton Rouge (if they didn't have use of their team complex in New Orleans), the complications surrounding LSU might prove substantial.

No matter where they land, the Saints will likely play this year without anything resembling a true "homefield advantage.'' After New Orleans was stricken this week by an almost unfathomable combination of both hell and high water, there will be no games played for a very long time yet. The Saints, like the rest of the community, will be dealing with the effects of this week's hurricane for weeks and months, not days.

The Saints have a talented roster and many expected them to be a dangerous playoff contender in the ultra-competitive NFC South. But you wonder if any team can prosper given the trying circumstances the Saints find themselves dealing with in the early stages of the '05 season.

Whatever happens on the field for New Orleans this year, it will unfold amid an almost unprecedented backdrop of human suffering and tragedy for the city and the entire Gulf Coast region.

Musings, observations and the occasional insight as we bid farewell to the endless preseason and stare down the NFL opener from a distance of just a week:

• Count me among those who think Philadelphia's offense won't be as potent as it was during its Super Bowl season of a year ago, not with the Terrell Owens saga taking its toll, the questions at running back, and the season-ending loss of receiver Todd Pinkston.

But a less productive offense might not spell trouble, because I also believe Philadelphia's defense will be even better than it was in '04, when it finished 10th overall in yards allowed. When you factor in the continued maturation of the Eagles' young secondary, and a ridiculously deep defensive line that has added a young talent like first-round tackle Mike Patterson, Philadelphia might not need as many points to win a dozen or so games this season.

If the Eagles can release franchise-tag designee Corey Simon and not even feel it, Jimmy Johnson's unit must be pretty good.

• I guess that NFL Europe player of the year award just doesn't have the cache it once did. It sure didn't help Rohan Davey (who won it in '04 with Berlin) fight off Matt Cassel for the third-team quarterback job in New England.

• With Green Bay only 2-4 in the playoffs during his five-year tenure, I know there are Packers fans upset at the idea of head coach Mike Sherman getting a contract extension through '07. But let's not forget the guy has presided over a team that has won three consecutive division titles, with five winning seasons and career record of 55-31 (.640). The Packers appear to be headed down, but at least they've been near the top in recent years.

And for that matter, how do you think folks in Detroit feel about general manager Matt Millen getting a new deal despite the Lions being 16-48 in his four-year stint atop the team's flow chart? Who said the NFL was a results-oriented business?

• I really don't get the bulls-eye on Herman Edwards' back, either. If Doug Brien makes a field goal at Pittsburgh last January, Edwards would have been lauded for leading the Jets to an upset of the 15-1 Steelers and securing an AFC title game berth.

As is, Edwards has had New York in the playoffs three times in four years, with 10, nine and 10-win seasons. He's 2-3 in the playoffs, but those five games represent the same total of postseason games the Jets managed to reach in the 15 years from '86-'00.

Edwards also hasn't exactly been lucky in that his entire stay in New York ('01-present) has coincided with the Patriots' domination of the AFC East.

• My favorite quote this week came from Bucs coach Jon Gruden, when asked whether he's pleased with his '05 draft class: "I'll tell you what, I like this class. I like the stamina of this class. I like the class of this class.''

Stamina and class. What more can you ask for out of a draft class?

• Speaking of NFL head coaches, did you ever notice it apparently helps you land the top job if you're named Mike?

There are no fewer than seven Mikes in the 32-member head-coaching fraternity at the moment: Green Bay's Mike Sherman, Buffalo's Mike Mularkey, Denver's Mike Shanahan, St. Louis' Mike Martz, Minnesota's Mike Tice, Seattle's Mike Holmgren, and the newest member of the club, San Francisco's Mike Nolan.

When it comes to NFL owners, somebody apparently likes Mike.

Drew Henson still can't even beat out Tony Romo for the Cowboys' backup quarterback job, let alone challenge Dallas starter, Drew Bledsoe. Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells called Henson "a young, developing player'' who's "not ready.''

Despite owner Jerry Jones' staunch defense of Henson, iwhom he sunk $7 million into, you get the feeling Henson isn't that far from a Chad Hutchinson-like experience in Dallas? Me, too.


* Now Kellen Winslow Jr. has a staph infection in the knee he severely damaged in his May 1 motorcycle accident, and his weight has dropped considerably while he's unable to work out in Cleveland. If his run of misfortune continues into '06, the Browns tight end is going to start hearing Ryan Leaf comparisons. Then again, Leaf at least played and won a few games for San Diego before becoming the standard by which all draft busts are measured.
 

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Saints are gonna be one of my secondary teams, hey there team hotel is the Cowboys old favorite, I love the Riverwalk, am still mad the Boys vacated it. They will not regret it, SA rocks, the people are fantastic, they will take to the Saints like the NFL team they never had win or loose, are they on our schedule, imagine a weekend in SA to see a game with some ritas and Tex Mex...
 

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BARRYRAY said:
Saints are gonna be one of my secondary teams, hey there team hotel is the Cowboys old favorite, I love the Riverwalk, am still mad the Boys vacated it. They will not regret it, SA rocks, the people are fantastic, they will take to the Saints like the NFL team they never had win or loose, are they on our schedule, imagine a weekend in SA to see a game with some ritas and Tex Mex...
You talkin' senioritas or margoritas or women named Rita? Me, I'm all for a three-some. :eek:
 

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They should just move them permanately to SA.....San Antonio Saints.....got a nice ring to it. They'd be my #2 fav team if they did. Woudln't SA be able to house a team the same or better than NO? Seems that they can barely fill the seats there. NO isnt going to be ready for a LONG time.
 

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I live in Louisiana. For people in Louisiana it is a slap in the face. Benson threatened to move the team to San Antonio and used that threat to get millions from Louisiana. Now he takes a tragedy and uses it to turn a profit in another city he planned to move to anyway. The local radio talk shows are getting tons of calls from angry fans. Plans are being made to protest any games played in SA at the stadium. It is really sad that after the state gets hit like this he turns his back on us.
 

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kmp77 said:
They should just move them permanately to SA.....San Antonio Saints.....got a nice ring to it. They'd be my #2 fav team if they did. Woudln't SA be able to house a team the same or better than NO? Seems that they can barely fill the seats there. NO isnt going to be ready for a LONG time.


You're right. New Orleans does not need a team. San Antonio should profit from the hurricane.
 

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I've said since Sunday as it was becoming clear what a terrible threat the storm was to NO, that I couldn't fathom how the Saints could continue this year. When you think of all the employees and support personnel involved, you realize the Saints are just like any other business in the NO area. No power, no infrastructure,etc. for weeks and months. The city itself may actually be years before it returns.

I think a move to another city for the time being is the only logical thing to do, if you expect the team to operate this season, no matter how distasteful and problematic it seems.
 

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Bungarian said:
I live in Louisiana. For people in Louisiana it is a slap in the face. Benson threatened to move the team to San Antonio and used that threat to get millions from Louisiana. Now he takes a tragedy and uses it to turn a profit in another city he planned to move to anyway. The local radio talk shows are getting tons of calls from angry fans. Plans are being made to protest any games played in SA at the stadium. It is really sad that after the state gets hit like this he turns his back on us.
I don't think anything has been decided one way or the other. I was reading another article and they basically said for sentimental reasons, they wanted to play in LA, but the logistics haven't been figured out yet.

On the flip side, I think LA has more important things to worry about than their football team. I honestly think this gives LA more leverage, just because now Benson would seem callous if he moved the team now.

per nfl.com


Homeless Saints could face vagabond season





NFL.com wire reports
NEW ORLEANS ( Aug. 31, 2005) -- There is only one certainty about the New Orleans Saints' future: They will live and work out of the Marriott Riverwalk in San Antonio for a while.

Beyond that, question marks abound. It's highly unlikely they'll be able to hold their home opener Sept. 18 at the Superdome -- and they may not be able to play there at all this season after the stadium was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina.

So that first game against the New York Giants could be at the Alamodome in San Antonio. Or at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, La. Or even at Legion Field in Birmingham, Ala.

And all of those sites could host other home games for the Saints, who escaped the hurricane by flying with their families last weekend to San Jose, Calif. New Orleans plays at Oakland on Sept. 1 in its final preseason game.

While the Saints and NFL officials have been discussing a variety of alternatives, they haven't talked yet with many of the people at the proposed sites.

"We can say is LSU an option, yeah, but is it an option with them?" Saints spokesman Greg Bensel said by phone from San Jose. "That's the next hurdle. We haven't crossed that hurdle yet."

Only one hurdle has been crossed.

Following the Raiders game, the Saints will go to San Antonio, where they will stay at the same hotel they stayed at last season when Hurricane Ivan chased them out of New Orleans in the second week of the regular season.

The Saints will also use the same practice facilities at Trinity University, so they will have, as Bensel put it, "a certain comfort level with where we are."

That would seem to make the Alamodome, which holds 65,000 for football, a logical alternative, although it's about 550 miles from New Orleans, farther than the NFL would like.

But at this point, no one really knows the options.

Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and league officials have discussed the situation over the past few days. Location hasn't been the most important topic.

"We've been talking about how we as a league can assist with relief efforts," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "Not only for Saints players and officials and their families, but also for a lot of other players in the league who live or have families in the region."

The Saints aren't the only ones in sports affected by the damage done to the 65,000-seat Superdome.

Bowl Championship Series spokesman Bob Burda said Sugar Bowl officials hope to meet within the next few weeks to talk about what to do with the game scheduled for Jan. 2 in the Superdome.

"It's just too early on their end to even speculate," said Burda, adding that bowl officials had been in contact with BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg.

It's unlikely officials would want to let the Sugar Bowl leave Louisiana, even for just a year. Independence Stadium, home of the Independence Bowl, in Shreveport has been renovated in recent years and holds about 53,000. Tiger Stadium could also be a plausible option, with a capacity of almost 92,000.

None of the options for the Saints seem ideal, including the unlikely scenario of playing their entire schedule on the road.

Switching their home opener to the Meadowlands is a problem because the Giants share their stadium with the New York Jets, who are scheduled to play Miami at home that day.

There has been talk of using Reliant Stadium in Houston, but the Texans are home Sept. 18 to Pittsburgh.

Those hurdles could be overcome by playing games on Saturday or Monday, but it hardly seems like a palatable option to either the team or the league.

The last time a game shifted locations on short notice was on Oct. 27, 2003, when the Chargers and Miami Dolphins met at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe, Ariz., after wildfires in southern California prevented the game from being played in San Diego. That was a regularly scheduled Monday night contest and no admission was charged -- 73,000 people attended, far more than usually attend Arizona Cardinals games at the same venue. And just a year ago, the Dolphins moved their season opener vs. Tennessee from Sunday, Sept. 12 to Saturday, Sept. 11 due to Hurricane Ivan.

But this is likely to be more than a one-shot deal and few of the alternatives seem particularly enticing.

Both the league and the Saints would like to stay as close to home as possible, although other stadiums are showing interest in having them.

Mayor Buddy Dyer of Orlando, Fla., proposed that the Saints try the little-used Citrus Bowl. There was no indication that the Saints were even familiar with that offer.

Even before the hurricane, the team has been negotiating with the state of Louisiana for a new stadium to replace the Superdome. Owner Tom Benson has suggested that without one, he might sell the franchise, leading to speculation that the Saints might be the team that fills the hole in Los Angeles left vacant when the Rams moved to St. Louis and the Raiders went back to Oakland after the 1994 season.

Yes, the Los Angeles Coliseum is among the sites suggested as a possibility for this season.

But all of that is speculation.

"We just don't know yet," Bensel said. "We really don't."


 

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I am NOT a fan of Benson, who is the touchstone as regards standard for failure in pro sports ownership, but he has no choice. SA is the closest city to N.O. that can reasonably support a pro team that has the stadium and facilities available.
It is VERY clear that there will be no sports in N.O. for at least the rest of this year.
 

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The problem is he threatened moving to San Antonio and got I think 100 million from the state to stay. Now it looks really bad no matter if it is a good idea or not.
 

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Having said all that as a Cowboy fan in Louisiana I hope they do carry their butts to SA and stay there. Then they can be the third worse pro team in Texas.
 

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Bungarian said:
The problem is he threatened moving to San Antonio and got I think 100 million from the state to stay. Now it looks really bad no matter if it is a good idea or not.

Yes, but no choice and with the catastrophe they are dealing with the matter is not that important to most people in NO, imo.
 

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Ya'll are right. The Saints should be forced to play in NO this year since playing somewhere else will just piss off the few fans the saints have. And about the money to stay, I'd be pissed too since the saints knew this hurricane was coming and thought it'd be funny to take the 100mil knowing they'd get to leave in the future anyway. Those rascals! Besides, the people with money are going to leave NO for good so the city won't be able to support a team anyway. The team will eventually leave anyway.
 

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kmp77 said:
Ya'll are right. The Saints should be forced to play in NO this year since playing somewhere else will just piss off the few fans the saints have. And about the money to stay, I'd be pissed too since the saints knew this hurricane was coming and thought it'd be funny to take the 100mil knowing they'd get to leave in the future anyway. Those rascals! Besides, the people with money are going to leave NO for good so the city won't be able to support a team anyway. The team will eventually leave anyway.

You are right. Why give money and then expect the Saints to stay. New Orleans is dead and will stay that way. San Antonio is the only place left they can play. The people left in Louisiana should just kill themselves and get it over with.
 

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Well, I don't think there's any question that a new Stadium would be needed now and that really is too bad. There will be lots of rebuilding that will need to take place and I'm not sure how money for a new Stadium might fit it. New Orleans is going to need things like the Saints. That town is in for a long recovery. It is a difficult situation, at best.

Not sure there's a good answer here.
 

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First off, I didn't mean anything in a negative way. So the negative private message was uncalled for. I didn't wish for the tragedy to happen and wished it didn't. I could say alot about the situation currently going on in NO but will hold my toungue. My friend's family is from NO and have stayed with many times while visiting. So I do have somewhat of a personal connection. So before you direct your negative comments toward me, try talking to the people shooting at the police and rescue workers. Then if by comparison what I've said warrants further discussion, by all means, come at me.

All I meant by my comments were on a realistic level. NO is and will not be fit to house a NLF team for a while. What are they supposed to do, let the saints sit out and give a bye to the opposing teams or let them play their season at another site?
 

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BARRYRAY said:
Saints are gonna be one of my secondary teams, hey there team hotel is the Cowboys old favorite, I love the Riverwalk, am still mad the Boys vacated it. They will not regret it, SA rocks, the people are fantastic, they will take to the Saints like the NFL team they never had win or loose, are they on our schedule, imagine a weekend in SA to see a game with some ritas and Tex Mex...

I agree. I lived in SA for 9 months and loved it. Had a fantastic time, great extremely friendly people. Only reason I left, I had the opportunity to get back to Dallas and took it. And even though I am still glad I moved back. SA would be my 2nd choice to live. :bow:
 

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I undertand New Orleanians being upset about the team possibly playing out of state...but the simple fact is that there may not be any real alternatives to play at in the LA area.

Whats worse is that the impact will not be for just one season....so many people are going to lose thier jobs and rebuilding will cost so much that the area MAY find it diffucult to support an NFL team in that area for a few YEARS.

Callous or not...its still a business. People have to be wiling to buy tickets for the games (which has already been a problem). If they continue to buy the tickests...the team WILL remain in the area after the year (the league wont let if leave if enough tickets are being sold)

If enough people cant afford it or feel their money is better spent elsewhere...the team might HAVE to move for more than one season. Although I think if the team did leave at worse it would be kind of like the Houston situation...where someday New Orleans (once rebuilt and back up to speed) would be allowed to get a team again..and probably even keep the Saints name as well.
 
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