Sam Young

[Stautner]

Wait wait wait.

Hold the phone.

Are you telling me that someone's cure-all player cannot automatically be inserted as a starter simply because that particular player has not really proven anything to his coaches yet???

Dang it! It always works on Madden!

Amazing concet isn't it? Who would think that someone a few fans see as an answer to a problem despite not having seen anything at all suggest it should actually have to prove something to his coaches before getting playing time? The unsupported confidence of a few fans should be anough, shouldn't they?

C'mon man! Are you really comparing those positions to the Oline?

Do you think Free hadn't done enough to get some PT before Marc got hurt last year? It's the O-line; a totally different animal.

What are you reading? I wasn't comparing positions at all. I was merely making the broad statement that applies regardless of position - that when the coaches see a youngster they think is ready to step in a start contributing, they are using them, and that if they think a youngster isn't ready to do that, they aren't.

I'm asking you to use logic instead of thinking with blind emotion. There simply is no logic behind the thought that because Colombo isn't playing well that somehow means Young is ready to step in. Logic tells us that how Colombo is playing tells us nothing about Young's status, and that it is possible that young could be worse.

 

[21Savage]

Amazing concet isn't it? Who would think that someone a few fans see as an answer to a problem despite not having seen anything at all suggest it should actually have to prove something to his coaches before getting playing time? The unsupported confidence of a few fans should be anough, shouldn't they?



What are you reading? I wasn't comparing positions at all. I was merely making the broad statement that applies regardless of position - that when the coaches see a youngster they think is ready to step in a start contributing, they are using them, and that if they think a youngster isn't ready to do that, they aren't.

I'm asking you to use logic instead of thinking with blind emotion. There simply is no logic behind the thought that because Colombo isn't playing well that somehow means Young is ready to step in. Logic tells us that how Colombo is playing tells us nothing about Young's status, and that it is possible that young could be worse.

Hence the comparison. It doesn't apply regardless of position. It's easier to risk Sean Lee playing 10 plays a game at the expense of Brooking than it is to put Sam Young in for a period of time.

Doesn't mean he's not ready or better than Columbo; doesn't mean that he is. We just won't be able to tell until maybe after the season. If then, we let Columbo go and Young becomes the defacto starter, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to do the job at some point during the season. Doesn't mean he would have either.

 

[Stautner]

Hence the comparison. It doesn't apply regardless of position. It's easier to risk Sean Lee playing 10 plays a game at the expense of Brooking than it is to put Sam Young in for a period of time.

Doesn't mean he's not ready or better than Columbo; doesn't mean that he is. We just won't be able to tell until maybe after the season. If then, we let Columbo go and Young becomes the defacto starter, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been able to do the job at some point during the season. Doesn't mean he would have either.

The statement can be made regardless of position since the same prinsiple applies to all positions - if they are deemed ready to get some action, the team will give them the action. I agree that it iseasier to risk Lee playing a little than Young, and I had previously made the point that playing Young could result in getting Kitna hurt, but that risk is part of what goes into deciding when a guy is ready.

 

[21Savage]

The statement can be made regardless of position since the same prinsiple applies to all positions - if they are deemed ready to get some action, the team will give them the action. I agree that it iseasier to risk Lee playing a little than Young, and I had previously made the point that playing Young could result in getting Kitna hurt, but that risk is part of what goes into deciding when a guy is ready.

You begged for people to use logic and I don't see why you're not using the same thing here.

A lineman not being in the game, in a position which requires cohesiveness and continuity, doesn't mean that the player is not ready. It doesn't mean Holland can't play better than our guards.

I'll argue that having a 3rd round pick from the previous year cut before you is a sign that Young has shown a lot. Young not being in games is not the same thing as Barry Church not being in a game, Mccray etc

I'll almost guarantee you that the cowboys place a higher value in young than those 2 undrafted safeties. Yet they've seen ample playing time this season and he's seen none.

 

[Stautner]

You begged for people to use logic and I don't see why you're not using the same thing here.

A lineman not being in the game, in a position which requires cohesiveness and continuity, doesn't mean that the player is not ready. It doesn't mean Holland can't play better than our guards.

I'll argue that having a 3rd round pick from the previous year cut before you is a sign that Young has shown a lot. Young not being in games is not the same thing as Barry Church not being in a game, Mccray etc

I'll almost guarantee you that the cowboys place a higher value in young than those 2 undrafted safeties. Yet they've seen ample playing time this season and he's seen none.

Talk about not using logic .......

I never commented about Young (or Holland's) readiness other than to say we can't just assume it. I never said Young couldn't play,- i said we didn't know, and that we just have to go by what the coaches do, and right now the coaches are not showing any reluctance to letting youngsters play that they feel are ready to step in and play.

Who knows, maybe they feel great about Young, but they are worried about cohesion suffering, like you suggested in your last post. With the comment about how dependent the o-line is on cohesion you actually hurt your own position, because that is just another reason why the coaches may have a legitimate reason to hold off on playing Young right now.

And, again, talk about not using logic ....... having a 3rd round pick from the previous year cut instead of Young says nothing about Young except how they feel he stacks up against that one particular player. It doesn't speak to his current readiness to play, or his long term prognosis. The team may, or may not feel great about his future, but this incident doesn't give any real indication about that at all.

And who knows, the team may well place a higher value on Young than Church and Lee, although I doubt that about Lee. But that doesn't necessarily mean they think he is ready to play as quickly. They may look at him like a Doug Free who they didn't deem ready until his 4th year. They may think he will be the better player of the 3 in the long run, but that he may need a bit more time to develop. That's not an uncommon way for teams to look at players.

Bottom line is that there are plenty of possible explainations for why Young may not be playing now other than that he is better than Colombo and the team is just screwing up, and that is what shows your ultimate lack of logic, because that is the only possibility out of a number of possibilities that you are considering.

 

[burmafrd]

Just like you are not considering that once again the Dallas staff will not give a guy a chance until they are not given any choice. As bad as Colombo's legs are, it is really hard to see how a healthy younger player cannot be at least as good. This staff especially on O line has shown to have little credibility as regards playing the guys or teaching the guys or coaching the guys to play well.

 

[Teague31]

freeney and mathis are going to eat colombo alive next week.

 

[Bluefin]

C'mon man! Are you really comparing those positions to the Oline?

Do you think Free hadn't done enough to get some PT before Marc got hurt last year? It's the O-line; a totally different animal.

Doug Free played most of the second half at left tackle last year against Seattle a few weeks prior to Marc Colombo's injury.

The staff had seen enough during training camp and pre-season to make it a point to get Free live snaps during the season to confirm what they were thinking.

Things haven't gone as hoped this year and the team hasn't been in a position to get any young game work unless mandated by injury.

I don't know how ready Sam Young is to play and I understand not wanting to sit veterans following the coaching change with a new message being sent.

Early last year, I wanted to use Free as a jumbo tight end in certain packages to get him reps and I'd be in favor of doing that with Young or another young lineman this year (not Alex Barron).

But Young is a game day inactive every week.

 

[john van brocklin]

We should be looking at our young talent to see what we got for the future....