Same things again?

[Runwildboys]

I thought that was the point?

Tripping while wearing your bell bottom pants is one thing.....

 

[The Fonz]

When people from any generation start to be executives and decision making they recreate and reintroduce what they already familiar with in their youth... movies music fashion etc.....obladi oblada life goes on

 

[Cowpolk]

It was last Tuesday...You mean you missed it?

Well hek

 

[lukin2006]

I think it's a lack of imagination ...

It could also be easy money ...

The only re-boot I have enjoyed was Roseanne, and that was cancelled.

 

[NorthoftheRedRiver]

There is just a staggering amount of movie/TV content out there. Movie stories have pretty much become a commodity. It sure seems unusual when a new, clever plot comes along.

 

[Runwildboys]

There is just a staggering amount of movie/TV content out there. Movie stories have pretty much become a commodity. It sure seems unusual when a new, clever plot comes along.

I think maybe that's why I like the newer Star Trek movies. They turned the story around to a "what if it happened this way instead" alternate plot. Still Star Trek, but with an original twist.

 

[CouchCoach]

L'il Johnny won't eat anything but Cheerios, his parents tried everything and that is all he will eat. Guess what L'il Johnny gets to eat?

The challenge in TV is realizing just who they're creating the show for and who they have to please to get renewed. I am not part of the TV crowd, especially when it comes to sitcoms, which I detest.

Most movies made are DTV because they can't get released to the theaters because they only make money on concessions and small turnout, small revenue and that's why we see so many get dumped fast and head straight to video.

The risk ratio is mitigated by who is involved with the film, actors and directors, and taking a chance on unknowns takes deep pockets. The Tom's sell, Cruise and Hanks but Tom Hardy, a terrific actor, has to do a remake of Road Warrior for people to remember his name.

I do not like TV and do not watch much of it but I do have a soft spot for NBC. They tried an experiment with an unknown director/producer, Steven Bochco, and the concept of an ensemble cast of faces that might be borderline recognizable but no names. Hill St. Blues blew me away with everything they did from camera angles to content and story lines and the ratings sucked. But due to the reaction of the small but fervent audience's reaction, they decided to give it another shot and not only had a hit on their hands but had created a new form of casting. One that is still successful today.

Then they have an idea for a comedy but they need writers to pull it off. They bought Taxi to get the staff, ran it for one year and Cheers was born. They applied the talent to a different format and won big.

Larry Gelbart took advice from two of his actors in MASH and experimented with dumping the ubiquitous laugh track which allowed him to stretch the boundaries of content and tell a more biting story about war. That helped him create the most successful TV series in history,

I do believe there is just as much creativity out there as there has always been, it's the audience that baffles those that are creative, what do they want? Are most of them L'il Johnny's and just want what they've always had? Art without success isn't business and these companies are all about business. ROI rules both industries.

But I agree with the frustration because I long for films with scripts like The Usual Suspects, Memento and Inception. 3 Billboards is close along those lines with the script but there are too few scripts that challenge the audiences and that brings up the question just what % of the audience wants to be challenged to think? I'll just sit here, like my avatar, and you entertain me.

But this isn't new. In the 60's, the Beatles, Dave Clark Five and Stones had to do covers to get noticed before they could become who they would be. We didn't want new back then, we wanted a twist on familiarity. There are far fewer creative people out there than people who want creative.

 

[Runwildboys]

L'il Johnny won't eat anything but Cheerios, his parents tried everything and that is all he will eat. Guess what L'il Johnny gets to eat?

The challenge in TV is realizing just who they're creating the show for and who they have to please to get renewed. I am not part of the TV crowd, especially when it comes to sitcoms, which I detest.

Most movies made are DTV because they can't get released to the theaters because they only make money on concessions and small turnout, small revenue and that's why we see so many get dumped fast and head straight to video.

The risk ratio is mitigated by who is involved with the film, actors and directors, and taking a chance on unknowns takes deep pockets. The Tom's sell, Cruise and Hanks but Tom Hardy, a terrific actor, has to do a remake of Road Warrior for people to remember his name.

I do not like TV and do not watch much of it but I do have a soft spot for NBC. They tried an experiment with an unknown director/producer, Steven Bochco, and the concept of an ensemble cast of faces that might be borderline recognizable but no names. Hill St. Blues blew me away with everything they did from camera angles to content and story lines and the ratings sucked. But due to the reaction of the small but fervent audience's reaction, they decided to give it another shot and not only had a hit on their hands but had created a new form of casting. One that is still successful today.

Then they have an idea for a comedy but they need writers to pull it off. They bought Taxi to get the staff, ran it for one year and Cheers was born. They applied the talent to a different format and won big.

Larry Gelbart took advice from two of his actors in MASH and experimented with dumping the ubiquitous laugh track which allowed him to stretch the boundaries of content and tell a more biting story about war. That helped him create the most successful TV series in history,

I do believe there is just as much creativity out there as there has always been, it's the audience that baffles those that are creative, what do they want? Are most of them L'il Johnny's and just want what they've always had? Art without success isn't business and these companies are all about business. ROI rules both industries.

But I agree with the frustration because I long for films with scripts like The Usual Suspects, Memento and Inception. 3 Billboards is close along those lines with the script but there are too few scripts that challenge the audiences and that brings up the question just what % of the audience wants to be challenged to think? I'll just sit here, like my avatar, and you entertain me.

But this isn't new. In the 60's, the Beatles, Dave Clark Five and Stones had to do covers to get noticed before they could become who they would be. We didn't want new back then, we wanted a twist on familiarity. There are far fewer creative people out there than people who want creative.

Well said, and nice to see a different perspective...........but you're wrong. Just kiddin'!

You're right, CC. It does fall back a lot on the audience, but if you refuse to allow Johnny to only eat Cheerios, eventually he might find other things he likes, and they'll balance out his diet. Granted, you might go broke trying to find something else he'll eat.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well said, and nice to see a different perspective...........but you're wrong. Just kiddin'!

You're right, CC. It does fall back a lot on the audience, but if you refuse to allow Johnny to only eat Cheerios, eventually he might find other things he likes, and they'll balance out his diet. Granted, you might go broke trying to find something else he'll eat.

That's the challenge.

Runny, I look at the shows that get the best ratings and assume that's America, that's what they want. I am totally out of tune with the majority of people but I think there are creative types that just suck it up and give'em what they want to get paid.

The other part of this are the different avenues open to creative types. One time, there was just Broadway, and good luck getting On Broadway without a name to get bankrolled, film and TV.

Now the internet has opened up new channels for creative types with video games, Amazon, Hulu and Netflix. Those last 3 can afford experimentation because they're concerned about the whole, not a specific part of it. I stopped looking to TV for creative except for the exceptions like Breaking Bad, The Shield and Sons of Anarchy and a few others and seek that elsewhere.

And then there's how deep do some want to go? I have friends that didn't like Inception and the main reason given, "too hard to follow". In other words, I had to pay too close attention. They are trying to please an ADD society for the most part and creative means work on their part.