San Antonio Spurs fined by league

[Manwiththeplan]

You fail to understand the situation and thus you dont have an issue with a fine. Stern has a history of trying to mess over the Spurs. Stern has a history of being shady. Pop and the Spurs are one of the classiest organizations in pro sports and are ran on the up and up. So we are upset cause Stern is a clown and a farce.

maybe I don't understand the situation, but I know Phoenix Suns' fans believe they were jobbed in favor of the Spurs in the WC finals. While I don't agree, it's obvious that Stern doesn't devise ways to screw over the Spurs or he would've then, for a bigger TV draw in phoenix.

And whether intentional or not, do you honestly believe that this particular tactic is not an insult to fans? If you do believe it is, then the fine was the right thing.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

maybe I don't understand the situation, but I know Phoenix Suns' fans believe they were jobbed in favor of the Spurs in the WC finals. While I don't agree, it's obvious that Stern doesn't devise ways to screw over the Spurs or he would've then, for a bigger TV draw in phoenix.

And whether intentional or not, do you honestly believe that this particular tactic is not an insult to fans? If you do believe it is, then the fine was the right thing.

Its not an insult to fans.. at all. Coaches make decisions to win games, not to market a product. It may be entertainment for us.. but its a sport for them. The goal is to win.. not to put on a great song and dance for the masses. Buying a ticket doesn't guarentee you anything but a chance to watch the teams play.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Its not an insult to fans.. at all. Coaches make decisions to win games, not to market a product. It may be entertainment for us.. but its a sport for them. The goal is to win.. not to put on a great song and dance for the masses. Buying a ticket doesn't guarentee you anything but a chance to watch the teams play.

then by your logic, both popovich and stern did the right thing, because it's Stern's job to make the NBA as much money as possibile.

And if every team adopted this strategy, the NBA would see dropping attendance numbers and much less revenue.

Yes buying a ticket doesn't garuntee you anything, but good luck running a buisness that occasionally gives your fans a big **** you for reasons beyond most of them.

You can get away with that if you run the MVA, but if you want fans to spend as much money as they do, you have to know that the Spurs have crossed the line.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

then by your logic, both popovich and stern did the right thing, because it's Stern's job to make the NBA as much money as possibile.

And if every team adopted this strategy, the NBA would see dropping attendance numbers and much less revenue..

No.. and not by a long shot.

Much less revenue? Because teams rest their star players 3 games a year?

You're crossing into delusional with your ranting right now, my friend.

Stern's job isn't to tell coaches who to play and when to play them. So no, he was not in the right at all. He's an imbecile.

What's your gripe with this anyway? You talk about marketing a great product being Stern's job? Did you even watch the game? It got better than average ratings for a regular season NBA game.. and it was a GREAT game that the Spurs almost pulled out. Very good basketball.

The only thing that suffered is the league's image after this stupid fine.

You say Popp was giving their fans a big "**** you".. yet all the Spurs fans i hear (and most all basketball fans in general) are backing Popp. Wonder why that is, huh?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No.. and not by a long shot.

Much less revenue? Because teams rest their star players 3 games a year?

You're crossing into delusional with your ranting right now, my friend.

Stern's job isn't to tell coaches who to play and when to play them. So no, he was not in the right at all. He's an imbecile.

What's your gripe with this anyway? You talk about marketing a great product being Stern's job? Did you even watch the game? It got better than average ratings for a regular season NBA game.. and it was a GREAT game that the Spurs almost pulled out. Very good basketball.

The only thing that suffered is the league's image after this stupid fine.

You say Popp was giving their fans a big "**** you".. yet all the Spurs fans i hear (and most all basketball fans in general) are backing Popp. Wonder why that is, huh?

I'm not a Spurs fan and actually enjoy seeing them do well and I am far from a Stern fan, but if you don't see the precedent being set here by allowing any team to do this as potentially harmfull to the NBA, then you are the dellusional one.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm not a Spurs fan and actually enjoy seeing them do well and I am far from a Stern fan, but if you don't see the precedent being set here by allowing any team to do this as potentially harmfull to the NBA, then you are the dellusional one.

To do what? Give their older, talented players a strategic day off to rest their bodies 3 times a season.. especially at the end of a 5 game in 7 day grueling road trip?

Oh my.. such a ridiculous concept, i know. Its not harmful to the NBA in anyway. Its called intelligent planning for long term success. To quote one of my favorite actors:

"The ****'s chess, not checkers!"

:laugh2:

 

[Manwiththeplan]

To do what? Give their older, talented players a strategic day off to rest their bodies 3 times a season.. especially at the end of a 5 game in 7 day grueling road trip?

Oh my.. such a ridiculous concept, i know. Its not harmful to the NBA in anyway. Its called intelligent planning for long term success. To quote one of my favorite actors:

"The ****'s chess, not checkers!"

:laugh2:

Never once have I come close to saying resting the players isn't in the Spurs/a coach's best intrest. The only point is it's not in the NBA's best intrest. Stern made a decision that any NBA commish would make. Having a team emphasize how unimportant the NBA regular season is, is bad for buisness, no if, and or but.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Never once have I come close to saying resting the players isn't in the Spurs/a coach's best intrest. The only point is it's not in the NBA's best intrest. Stern made a decision that any NBA commish would make. Having a team emphasize how unimportant the NBA regular season is, is bad for buisness, no if, and or but.

So you think coaches making roster decisions that fall under the category of intelligent planning for long term success in an attempt to win a championship should be allowed to be subject to random, subjective fines of a quarter million dollars by NBA officials?

Give me a break.. the day you say its acceptable to fine a team for making smart moves to try and win games is the day i stop watching the sport.

It had nothing to do with saying the regular season is unimportant.. it has to do with winning the most games possible over the course of the season, not winning one specific game along the way.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Give me a break.. the day you say its acceptable to fine a team for making smart moves to try and win games is the day i stop watching the sport.

Well that's exactly what happened, so stop watching

seriously I get that it's your team and you feel the need to take it personally, but the NBA doesn't do well enough to allow this kinda move.

allowing this sends a clear message to the fans, which is they don't value the regular season product. Popovich has been inching closer to this every year and I actually think most of the similar moves he's made have been within bounds, but this one was over the line.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It had nothing to do with saying the regular season is unimportant.. it has to do with winning the most games possible over the course of the season, not winning one specific game along the way.

I know that wasn't the intent, but that doesn't mean that's what happened.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well that's exactly what happened, so stop watching

seriously I get that it's your team and you feel the need to take it personally, but the NBA doesn't do well enough to allow this kinda move.

allowing this sends a clear message to the fans, which is they don't value the regular season product. Popovich has been inching closer to this every year and I actually think most of the similar moves he's made have been within bounds, but this one was over the line.

Its not what happened.. no one thinks its acceptable and there's been talk of how stupid it was all over the news and the sports world.

Its not my team, btw.. im a Sixers fan. I just know stupid when i hear it, and Stern is pure imbecile.

Trying to win the most regular season games possible is not saying that you don't value the regular season, my friend.. no matter how many silly ways you try to justify that.

Agree to disagree.. because this is going nowhere.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

David Stern to fine Spurs for not dunking the basketball enough.

Guess Stern has a point here.. dunks are more entertaining to fans, you know.

Seriously though.. good article from my local area:

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball...r-players-is-for-th?blockID=808861&feedID=704

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This has been a long time coming. Pop takes bigger liberties in this manor than most other coaches and you really can't have this occur in this blatant of a way.

How do you think a random fan who saved up to take his son to his first Spurs game, only to find out every player his son knows was sent home feels?

Injuries are one thing, the end of the season is another and 1 guy is another thing, but 4 out of 5 guys is an insult to paying fans and I don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

And at the end of the day, it was a fine. Not a loss of draft picks, not a loss of cap space, but a fine. So why anyone would get upset is beyond me.

I would easily counter that Stern has done NOTHING but sit idly by while teams sell out wholesale to rest their entire starting bench to lose games, or throw wild rotations to lose games to improve their chances in the lottery.

It's been pretty laughable for years now, and Simmons on ESPN makes fun of it almost every season to watch teams tank on purpose.

Furthermore, Stern's heavy-handed involvement last season with the Lakers/New Orleans trade debacle reeks. Unbelievable really, and it would take a fleet of tanker trucks to transport the gall that Stern exhibits in his hypocrisy.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I would easily counter that Stern has done NOTHING but sit idly by while teams sell out wholesale to rest their entire starting bench to lose games, or throw wild rotations to lose games to improve their chances in the lottery.

It's been pretty laughable for years now, and Simmons on ESPN makes fun of it almost every season to watch teams tank on purpose.

Furthermore, Stern's heavy-handed involvement last season with the Lakers/New Orleans trade debacle reeks. Unbelievable really, and it would take a fleet of tanker trucks to transport the gall that Stern exhibits in his hypocrisy.

And I would agree. The end of the season thing is tough. If a team like the Wizards doesn't want to play Andray Blatche and Rashard Lewis, and play younger players (and then dumps both in the offseason) then it doesn't make sense to come down on them, but we all know ranking occurs.

And the CP3/draft lottery were a joke.

Again, I'm neither a Spurs hater or a Stern fan, but a line was crossed and what the Spurs did can not be allowed.

 

[zrinkill]

a line was crossed and what the Spurs did can not be allowed.

Did you feel this way the many times that Aikman and Romo sat out the last game of the year against divisional rivals?

 

[juck]

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201212/embarrassing-photo-spurs-players-leaked-online

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Did you feel this way the many times that Aikman and Romo sat out the last game of the year against divisional rivals?

No, but I also don't have a problem with NBA teams that rest players when nothing can be gained at the end of the year.

And before you ask, fans expect this towards the end of the season. If you live in New York and love the Lakers, you know it's shaky at best to buy tickets to an April 30th game.

During Late November/Early December, the averege fan has no reason to suspect this tactic.

 

[MC KAos]

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201212/embarrassing-photo-spurs-players-leaked-online

I'm most concerned with what exactly Duncan was dressed as!