Saquon mania vs. Ezekiel facts

[408Cowboy]

To see how effective they are on the other carries. Barkley had questions about his between the tackles ability and that shows up. Just like Barry vs Emmitt.

How effective were the olines run blocking for each player?

 

[408Cowboy]

Phonetically pronounce that.


Asking for... my own amusement.

Poo ponz

 

[Corso]

Poo ponz

Poo pohnz, or poo pahns?
I live on the border darnit!

 

[408Cowboy]

Poo pohnz, or poo pahns?
I live on the border darnit!

Poo khanz

 

[BigCatMonaco]

Except Barkley runs through the tackles just fine. The real conclusion you should be drawing is that Zeke would probably average about 2 yards per carry getting hit repeatedly in the backfield by the bumbling Giants offensive line.

Zeke has 2,500+ yards solely after contact in three seasons.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Zeke has 2,500+ yards solely after contact in three seasons.

I hear Barkley is fairly good at that too...

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/story/0a...saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

 

[Cowpolk]

Phonetically pronounce that.


Asking for... my own amusement.

Yes

 

[JD_KaPow]

So let's compare Barkley, an explosive back who catches a ton of passes, to Elliott, a grinder of a back who's mostly a rusher...by looking only at their non-explosive rushing plays. Hmm, I wonder who will come out ahead in that comparison?

 

[Corso]

Poo khanz

Damn... now I need to call Buckaroo Banzai.

 

[Corso]

So let's compare Barkley, an explosive back who catches a ton of passes, to Elliott, a grinder of a back who's mostly a rusher...by looking only at their non-explosive rushing plays. Hmm, I wonder who will come out ahead in that comparison?

Barkley is a hell of a back and explosive like TNT.
Elliott had that explosiveness, but never lost that most important aspect of a running team: getting those dirty yards, to quote another.
Elliott makes those 2 yards losses a 2 yard gain. He makes getting stuffed in the hole a 3.
That means something to a run-1st, grind-it-out team.

Now... what is Kellen going to do from here?
Great question. I'm glad I asked it.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Barkley is a hell of a back and explosive like TNT.
Elliott had that explosiveness, but never lost that most important aspect of a running team: getting those dirty yards, to quote another.

But Elliott doesn't have that explosiveness.
Zeke has had one 41-yard run and three 30+-yard runs in the last two seasons combined, covering 546 carries.
Barkley had six 50+-yard runs, a 46-yard run and a 30-yard run last season in just 261 carries.
There's no comparison in terms of explosiveness as a runner.

Elliott makes those 2 yards losses a 2 yard gain. He makes getting stuffed in the hole a 3.
That means something to a run-1st, grind-it-out team.

Sure. And that's valuable. And he's better at that than Barkley. But we can't pretend that he's something he isn't or that Barkley's big runs are somehow unimportant.

 

[DoctorChicken]

If this is the way we're doing things, when looking at Amari Cooper's stats, lets just take out his 180 and 217 yard games. Then he only averages 45 YPG. Lame.

 

[Corso]

But Elliott doesn't have that explosiveness. That's why I said HAD... words are funny!
Zeke has had one 41-yard run and three 30+-yard runs in the last two seasons combined, covering 546 carries.
Barkley had six 50+-yard runs, a 46-yard run and a 30-yard run last season in just 261 carries.
There's no comparison in terms of explosiveness as a runner.

Sure. And that's valuable. And he's better at that than Barkley. But we can't pretend that he's something he isn't or that Barkley's big runs are somehow unimportant.

Which I never did.

Carry on.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Questions for anyone to answer:

Who has the better Offensive line, Saquon or Zeke?

Who has the better QB to keep defenses from stacking the box, Giants or Cowboys?

Who statistically had the superior passing game in 2018, Giants or Cowboys?

You said Zeke had more first downs. Which running back had more runs on 2nd and short, 3rd and short? The guy with the good pass game or the guy with Eli?

Just because Saquon is good isn't a knock on Zeke. He's good too. But to make an argument severely lacking in context just to prop up Zeke and put down a Giant is bad form.

Also, why are we punishing Saquon for being a better downfield runner than Zeke? You actually came up with a stat that removes Saquon's big runs. Seriously?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It's not dopey to remove outliers.

For Saquon Barkley, long runs are not outliers. He had 9 40+ yard plays from scrimmage, the last guy to do that was 10 years ago when Chris Johnson was CJ2k. Elliot has 6 of those in his entire career.

 

[Hadenough]

This makes no sense at all. Barkley has a terrible offensive line and has to earn ever yard he gets.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

With training camp fast approaching the last thing on my mind is Saquon mania

LLLOOOLLL

 

[Proof]

I wonder how many of those removed runs were tds.

Hard to get addl first downs or more yards when you score

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The post was likely mind-numbingly dopey from the first word, but it got especially dopey starting from the idea that it makes any kind of sense to remove a running back’s longest run from every game...

Lool.

“Hey guyz! I’m gonna do a QB comparison between Dak and the top QBs in the league! I’ll first start by arbitrarily removing any passing TD totals in excess of 25...”

 

[TexasBoys2288]

Lotta Giants fans in here. In statistics, to find the norm the outlying figures are often discarded because they can skew the results. Good work by the OP. That's not saying I'm not into some skewing.