Schefter: League going overtime on suspension decisions

[WoodysGirl]

(May 29, 2007) -- June 1 once was associated with the NFL's next wave of cuts. Now it is an accidental trigger date for suspensions.

With the football world waiting to hear the fates of Chicago defensive tackle Tank Johnson and Tennessee cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, the league is expected to wait until at least next week before it announces any suspensions, sources confirmed.


Roger Goodell needs to get the best information he can before rendering a decision.
This doesn't mean the decisions couldn't be expedited this week, but for now, with the shortened work week, it does not sound as if they will.

Johnson could be facing a suspension in the four- to eight-game range while Jones is waiting to hear whether or not the appeal of his 16-game suspension is successful.

But the league has so much paperwork and information to sift through, and the decisions are serious and complicated enough, that it wants to take all the time it needs and make the proper decisions.

Many expected the league's verdicts to come around June 1, but it now seems as if they will come after the date that had come to be known for its cuts.

Yet the league also made a procedural change this year that will limit, if not all together eliminate, post-June 1 cuts.

This year, for the first time, teams were allowed to designate up to two players as June 1 cuts in March. Those players were released during the winter, but were treated as though they were released this spring.

They were free to find a new team while the teams had the salary-cap flexibility they craved.

Thus, some players who would have been released starting June 1 already have been cut, on the street, free to sign with another team.

So there will be little free-agent headlines in the week, or weeks, to come. But there will be post-June 1 suspension headlines.

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[Big Dakota]

The June 1 thing was all but history befor 2007, now it's altogether dead.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

wait, I though Roger Goodell was rushing into things?

 

[theogt]

Johnson could be facing a suspension in the four- to eight-game range while Jones is waiting to hear whether or not the appeal of his 16-game suspension is successful.

Lesson: If you're going to do something potentially illegal, make sure you get arrested, convicted, and serve a minimum jail time. Otherwise, you'll get slammed by Goodell.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Lesson: If you're going to do something potentially illegal, make sure you get arrested, convicted, and serve a minimum jail time. Otherwise, you'll get slammed by Goodell.

and get theo and fuzzy to be your lawyers, they'll argue due process until they're blue in the face, and fuzzy will keep interjecting, "objection: they still have yet to kill anyone!"

 

[theogt]

and get theo and fuzzy to be your lawyers, they'll argue due process until they're blue in the face, and fuzzy will keep interjecting, "objection: they still have yet to kill anyone!"

Just a correction -- Due Process doesn't apply. I wouldn't argue it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just a correction -- Due Process doesn't apply. I wouldn't argue it.

now you wouldn't

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and get theo and fuzzy to be your lawyers, they'll argue due process until they're blue in the face, and fuzzy will keep interjecting, "objection: they still have yet to kill anyone!"

I assume your talking about the dogfighting thing and if you cannot understand that difference in severity was not what I was saying i dont know what to tell you. I never distiguished between forms of animal torture.

Goodell has all of the information that he needs with Tank Johnson and has for quite some time now. The only reason why he could be waiting is because he is unsure of what to do. He has to realize that the press coverage of pacmans crimes has shifted to his actions as of late and that scares him.

I find the precedent stating that clearly arbitrary punishments by employers are illegal very interesting. Basically Goodell is going to either justify his groundless move or completely backtrack and start over. If he doesnt he is going to get sued and he is going to lose.

This is what theo and I have been stating from the get go and why you have to act like a child about it is beyond me.


Oh and BTW summer those were the proposed june 1 cut rules i was talking about.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I assume your talking about the dogfighting thing and if you cannot understand that difference in severity was not what I was saying i dont know what to tell you. I never distiguished between forms of animal torture.

no, I'm talking about this argument some weeks back where you tried to apply habeus corpus

and you have distinguished between crimes and their severity, which is what I'm actually eluding to

Goodell has all of the information that he needs with Tank Johnson and has for quite some time now. The only reason why he could be waiting is because he is unsure of what to do. He has to realize that the press coverage of pacmans crimes has shifted to his actions as of late and that scares him.

it's not just the press coverage, players are pushing for change, and I wouldn't be suprised to hear that law-enforcement agencies and the government are giving him a little shove to get things done

I find the precedent stating that clearly arbitrary punishments by lawyers are illegal very interesting. Basically Goodell is going to either justify his groundless move or completely backtrack and start over. If he doesnt he is going to get sued and he is going to lose.

he's not going to lose, again, he's not breaking any rules or violating anyone's rights

Oh and BTW summer those were the proposed june 1 cut rules i was talking about.

I haven't heard about any proposed rules, care to enlighten me?

 

[jobberone]

Erosion of your rights is not a frivolous matter. Some people on this board condemn people for settling a civil suit as if that is an admission of guilt. It's all a joke. If someone is truly a victim then I bet they don't think it's funny. And someone tried in the court of public opinion and been found guilty when they weren't likely don't see anything amusing either.

Now watch someone say let's just let everyone go or something equally childish or inane. Try living somewhere you really have no rights. Bet you won't be so eager to ridicule people who take it very seriously and who are just not too eager to both judge and condemn people from afar based on no true knowledge.

 

[Doomsday101]

Lesson: If you're going to do something potentially illegal, make sure you get arrested, convicted, and serve a minimum jail time. Otherwise, you'll get slammed by Goodell.

Lesson: If you keep out of trouble like the vast majority of players you have nothing to worry about. If you plan on running the streets acting like some punk gangster then you got what is coming to you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

no, I'm talking about this argument some weeks back where you tried to apply habeus corpus

and you have distinguished between crimes and their severity, which is what I'm actually eluding to



it's not just the press coverage, players are pushing for change, and I wouldn't be suprised to hear that law-enforcement agencies and the government are giving him a little shove to get things done



he's not going to lose, again, he's not breaking any rules or violating anyone's rights



I haven't heard about any proposed rules, care to enlighten me?

i know were not supposed to insult peoples intelligence but dear lord.

summer, read the end of the article where he talks about june 1 rules changes.

Yet the league also made a procedural change this year that will limit, if not all together eliminate, post-June 1 cuts.

This year, for the first time, teams were allowed to designate up to two players as June 1 cuts in March. Those players were released during the winter, but were treated as though they were released this spring.

i also find it funny that you were one of the people talking about felonies and misdemeanors in the dogfighting threads and now you take up this more recent babbling about murder.


now summer i want you to try and wrap your mind around this. the NFLPA is citing a breach of labor laws in their complaint quoting a precedent established in a court of law where it was ruled that an employer has to follow specific guidelines of punishment and that also the employer has to inform the employee of the punishment guidelines.

in short all of you guys that were saying that companies can just hand down any punishment they want at anytime are wrong and there is a court case to prove it.

Above and beyond that, the penalties were given out under the old system and the suspensions handed down cited transgressions that did not include convictions. The previous incarnation of the CBA granted no such authority. Seeing that the CBA is a contract between the league and the players that would make it a breach of contract.

In short if Goodell does not go back on his decision he is going to get sued and lose.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lesson: If you keep out of trouble like the vast majority of players you have nothing to worry about. If you plan on running the streets acting like some punk gangster then you got what is coming to you.

Im not saying that the acts of Jones are anything but deplorable but that does not excuse Goodell of anything that he may do.

Two wrongs dont make a right if you will.

 

[arglebargle]

....Above and beyond that, the penalties were given out under the old system and the suspensions handed down cited transgressions that did not include convictions. The previous incarnation of the CBA granted no such authority. Seeing that the CBA is a contract between the league and the players that would make it a breach of contract.

In short if Goodell does not go back on his decision he is going to get sued and lose.

IF any transgression took place AFTER the new rules came into place, it could easilly open the entire record for consideration. I think with Pac-man, some of the 'Didn't Tell' problems may have come to light after the Commisioner's new rules hit.

And regardless of the case, having the deep pockets for lots of lawyers can be a strong ingrediant of winning cases....

 

[burmafrd]

Does not matter when Goodell learned about the transgressions- it matters when they occurred. And I am really laughing at all those whinning about due process. That is funny.
One thing so many keep forgetting- these are contracted personnel who violated their contract. Labor laws really have no bearing.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Schefter: League going overtime on suspension decisions

Who cares? A decision will be made and announced before preseason starts. It's not like we expect any surprises as we know these guys will begin the season under suspension. What is the rush here?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Labor laws really have no bearing.

You keep telling yourself that.

 

[burmafrd]

AND, Fuzzy, I keep asking you to show me quotes from lawyers saying they do.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

AND, Fuzzy, I keep asking you to show me quotes from lawyers saying they do.

i did but apparently those lawyers werent good enough.

 

[burmafrd]

Hired guns.