Scouting Department needs held responsible for....

[garyv]

picks like Jason Williams, Robert Brewster and etc. This is the reason right now this Team is in the condition they currently are with piss poor Drafts. I've followed the Draft for 25 years or more and if you simply compile the picks that all the Scouting firms are suggesting than take the averages, you would be shocked at the success rate of the selections. The problem the Cowboys have they keep trying to find those special players or diamonds in the ruff that others are not high on which are turning out to be mostly duds. Take the averages of the Scouting Firms and base the draft on these projections and you don't even need a Scouting Department because the success rate is fairly accurate. Two examples are Jason Williams and Robert Brewster go back and look at what Round they were projected to be drafted in and than go look at where the Cowboys picked them and you'll see a very good example. They have to start taking the Players in the Rounds their projected within a moderate range and they will be very successful.

 

[sportsman]

How hard is it to scout someone to return kicks. For the Cowboys impossible.
That is when you know scouting team needs to addressed.

 

[jblaze2004]

How hard is it to scout someone to return kicks. For the Cowboys impossible.
That is when you know scouting team needs to addressed.

I think scouting a coaching goes hand and hand. But look at our can't draft offensive linemen situation. Then look at teams like the patriots. mankins been out for a while but their backup came right in and looks like he aint miss a beat. I think part of the blame has to fall on the coaches shoulders.

 

[Patton]

I think scouting a coaching goes hand and hand. But look at our can't draft offensive linemen situation. Then look at teams like the patriots. mankins been out for a while but their backup came right in and looks like he aint miss a beat. I think part of the blame has to fall on the coaches shoulders.

There is undoubtedly a coaching problem. People like Berger, McQuistan and Procter play in Miami and don't single handedly lose a game. If we had to start 2 or 3 three of them at a time, we'd lose by 20 or 30 points.

 

[dbair1967]

picks like Jason Williams, Robert Brewster and etc. This is the reason right now this Team is in the condition they currently are with piss poor Drafts. I've followed the Draft for 25 years or more and if you simply compile the picks that all the Scouting firms are suggesting than take the averages, you would be shocked at the success rate of the selections. The problem the Cowboys have they keep trying to find those special players or diamonds in the ruff that others are not high on which are turning out to be mostly duds. Take the averages of the Scouting Firms and base the draft on these projections and you don't even need a Scouting Department because the success rate is fairly accurate. Two examples are Jason Williams and Robert Brewster go back and look at what Round they were projected to be drafted in and than go look at where the Cowboys picked them and you'll see a very good example. They have to start taking the Players in the Rounds their projected within a moderate range and they will be very successful.

Good grief



Show me a team that gets every pick right, then spew this garbage.

 

[Deep_South]

For all I know, the scouts gave their input and Jerry went ahead and picked whoever he felt like.

 

[TheCoolFan]

At least it wasn't Quincy Carter in the 2nd round.

 

[cowboyjoe]

picks like Jason Williams, Robert Brewster and etc. This is the reason right now this Team is in the condition they currently are with piss poor Drafts. I've followed the Draft for 25 years or more and if you simply compile the picks that all the Scouting firms are suggesting than take the averages, you would be shocked at the success rate of the selections. The problem the Cowboys have they keep trying to find those special players or diamonds in the ruff that others are not high on which are turning out to be mostly duds. Take the averages of the Scouting Firms and base the draft on these projections and you don't even need a Scouting Department because the success rate is fairly accurate. Two examples are Jason Williams and Robert Brewster go back and look at what Round they were projected to be drafted in and than go look at where the Cowboys picked them and you'll see a very good example. They have to start taking the Players in the Rounds their projected within a moderate range and they will be very successful.

that draft basically was jerry jones and stephen jones draft, from what ive heard. Was mostly their decision to trade down, acquite aton of draft picks, etc... How does that work out for you now Jerry Jones?

 

[arglebargle]

Good grief



Show me a team that gets every pick right, then spew this garbage.

Yeah, go look at any year's fifth round from the draft and see how many are great players, at any place of need.

You can often go back to the first round of a draft and see that 50% of the players end up as underperformers/busts.

 

[superonyx]

Yeah, go look at any year's fifth round from the draft and see how many are great players, at any place of need.

You can often go back to the first round of a draft and see that 50% of the players end up as underperformers/busts.

Great points.

If you want to look at our roster and look around the league you wont find so many terrible players on our roster. Its not like we are the Detroit Lions (i know we are worse right now. haha). But seriously. The one area that i can say we have stunk it up in the draft is offensive lineman. And even that could come back to coaching as well. Something is missing up front. Work ethic? Skill? Technique? Scheme? something is wrong as has been for a few years.

The rest of our positions has just as good of talent as anyone and better than most.

 

[Hoofbite]

That special teams draft was a bad idea from the word "go".

Dallas should have bundled up and taken higher quality players. No way in hell that 12 guys were making that team that year.

 

[ShiningStar]

Yeah, go look at any year's fifth round from the draft and see how many are great players, at any place of need.

You can often go back to the first round of a draft and see that 50% of the players end up as underperformers/busts.

you dont take a whole draft, look at your your brains of the organization and say "hey, lets throw this one away"

I screamed, kicked, begged and thought Jerry would do what he loves, take our picks and wheel and deal them for 3 guys at best and leave with 3 good guys at positions we need. No he screams to throw the draft away and pick slobs, cept for Buehler we dont know if anyone else is good. Butler might, might be a pre season warrior we dont know yet.

 

[Future]

That special teams draft was a bad idea from the word "go".

Dallas should have bundled up and taken higher quality players. No way in hell that 12 guys were making that team that year.

Yea but everybody loves to "churn the roster"

 

[Chief]

We don't really know how most of these picks came about.

The scouts do the work for months, put together reports on every player, rank them, then turn it over to Jerry, Stephen and the coaches.

We don't know how high Jason Williams and Robert Brewster were ranked by the scouts. We don't know if they are players the coaches fell in love with.

Ciskowski is in the war room, but his input at that late stage is very minimal. He said the best thing about being a scout is that it's easy to see whether or not he's doing a good job. The grades are right there for the GM to see.

I would be interested to know if it was the scouts who had these guys ranked high, or if it was a coach (Houck, Wade, etc.) who pushed for them.

 

[RS12]

I think the Leon Lett and Jay Ratliff picks, along with the Romo and Austin signings might have given the organization (Jerry) an exagerated sense of the ability to just find gems every year, any round of the draft. I'll give em props for those. The reality is 09 draft has become a steaming pile quicker than any of us imagined, and the whole trading down, and drafting for depth and special teams is just plain ill conceived. Taking it one step further, any GM who had a draft like that and 1-6 record would probably find themselves on the street along with their underachieving on coaches and personnel department.

 

[lockster]

I agree the scouting dept missed big time. We need football players first, talent second. At least Parcells understood this part. Talent only is where you go get at the cfa level and put on practice squad like T. Williams. If he works out fine if not no biggy.

 

[dbair1967]

I agree the scouting dept missed big time. We need football players first, talent second. At least Parcells understood this part. Talent only is where you go get at the cfa level and put on practice squad like T. Williams. If he works out fine if not no biggy.

Parcells blew plenty of picks too. Or have you forgot gems like Bobby Carpenter, Jacon Rogers, Al Johnson and Julius Jones?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

There is undoubtedly a coaching problem. People like Berger, McQuistan and Procter play in Miami and don't single handedly lose a game. If we had to start 2 or 3 three of them at a time, we'd lose by 20 or 30 points.

please tell me those guys are not playing in Miami?!

 

[burmafrd]

Yeah BP missed a lot of picks just like everyone else. But he was always looking for PLAYERS first. I think out current staff gets more dazzled by the numbers than the PLAYERS.