Scout's Big Prediction: Hanna Contributes More Than Escobar

[SportsGuru80]

......and we clearly need all the help we can get in the red zone. It's a huge problem for this team.

Indeed!

 

[Idgit]

There aren't too many things that Rosario brings to the team. They include depth in case of injuries, the possibility of jettisoning Vickers' salary, special teams contribution and the ability to play F-back in certain situations. A long-term contribution is highly unlikely to be included.

He's here for STs, and to absorb some snaps in training camp. That's fine, though, because we can use that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The success rate on second rounders is less than 40%.

Bennett was a project that was unable to do much more than be a body catcher and a walking tip drill. Fasano was average and didn't translate after Parcells moved on.

We have a new TE coach and hopefully Escobar works out better. The way people are freaking out about it being a second round pick borders on superstition.

 

[ufcrules1]

Escobar is certainly going to be a redzone target. Completely different TE to Hanna. I'm excited about both of these guys. I'm really high on Hanna. He has great hands and speed.

 

[jobberone]

Funny how technical some people can become when they feel they are being challenged. Suddenly, they're counting every syllable and everything becomes literal. For the record, you didn't use the words "I don't understand" either.

My point was that it's the offseason and no one has seen any of these guys play a snap of NFL football, why wouldn't they be concerned/excited/whatever about his position and where he was taken? How much time did people spend discussing the 2nd round pick we didn't even make last year?

Any further discussion along these lines by anybody should be via PMs rather than detract from the thread.

 

[xwalker]

He's here for STs, and to absorb some snaps in training camp. That's fine, though, because we can use that.

The main point is that he should not be included in discussion about the need or lack of need to draft Escobar.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Escobar is certainly going to be a redzone target. Completely different TE to Hanna. I'm excited about both of these guys. I'm really high on Hanna. He has great hands and speed.

That music... Really?

 

[ufcrules1]

That music... Really?

I was thinking the same thing. I just pulled that off youtube... that music was painful.. I just muted it and watched the highlights. lol

 

[Idgit]

That music... Really?

Lol. That was my first thought, too.

 

[jobberone]

If you plan on running the 13 much then you have to have 4 TEs and another on speed dial. I agree with xwalker. Escobar and Hanna are different players who will at times be asked to do different things or at least to represent different skill sets that require a DC to consider and match up. I think Rosario will be on STs but is here primarily as a back up and as a move blocker. He will have to be accounted for as a receiver whether he is just blocking or not. The defense shouldn't know the play. I personally think he is a better F back than any of the other TEs although I don't feel that strongly about it.

 

[xwalker]

If you plan on running the 13 much then you have to have 4 TEs and another on speed dial. I agree with xwalker. Escobar and Hanna are different players who will at times be asked to do different things or at least to represent different skill sets that require a DC to consider and match up. I think Rosario will be on STs but is here primarily as a back up and as a move blocker. He will have to be accounted for as a receiver whether he is just blocking or not. The defense shouldn't know the play. I personally think he is a better F back than any of the other TEs although I don't feel that strongly about it.

If they use much 13, then hopefully they pass often. I don't like the 13 as a run formation. There is not much room to run with everybody bunched together and the TEs don't have a blocking advantage against base defensive personnel. If they do run from that formation, I would use and OL like Kowalski as one of the TEs.

 

[jobberone]

If they use much 13, then hopefully they pass often. I don't like the 13 as a run formation. There is not much room to run with everybody bunched together and the TEs don't have a blocking advantage against base defensive personnel. If they do run from that formation, I would use and OL like Kowalski as one of the TEs.

I agree unless they start moving them once they get the personnel on the field they want. Then the playbook opens up some. Get the heavies on the field then move one or two.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Hanna's ability to play F or split wide is going to get him a ton of snaps. Everyone is consumed with the 12 package, but really the ultimate goal is to find 11 players who can potentially be used in any combination of pesonnel alignments. This is especially true if the Cowboys have moved to a Perkins terminology to facilitate no huddle, hurry up and simplified play calling. The Cowboys are going to want a fluid group of personnel that can line up in any formation based on a single call from play to play. Naturally this is likely going to involve versatile tight ends and doing away with the fullback. You can line up or motion Hanna to F, but can't split out Vickers in the slot. At least not in any way that's a credible threat to the defense.

 

[jobberone]

Hanna's ability to play F or split wide is going to get him a ton of snaps. Everyone is consumed with the 12 package, but really the ultimate goal is to find 11 players who can potentially be used in any combination of pesonnel alignments. This is especially true if the Cowboys have moved to a Perkins terminology to facilitate no huddle, hurry up and simplified play calling. The Cowboys are going to want a fluid group of personnel that can line up in any formation based on a single call from play to play. Naturally this is likely going to involve versatile tight ends and doing away with the fullback. You can line up or motion Hanna to F, but can't split out Vickers in the slot. At least not in any way that's a credible threat to the defense.

I'd forgotten about the change in terminology which really is a biggie. And I agree about Hanna playing the F/H as well as Rosario. Hopefully Witten will get in a few and Escobar will learn to block well enough.

 

[erod]

Yes, they're different players, so this is kind a silly.

But who would be upset if Hanna contributed more, as long as it was a big contribution. Isn't that the point.

Rookies don't usually make big differences out of the gate anyway statistically.

 

[Doc50]

Hanna's ability to play F or split wide is going to get him a ton of snaps. Everyone is consumed with the 12 package, but really the ultimate goal is to find 11 players who can potentially be used in any combination of pesonnel alignments. This is especially true if the Cowboys have moved to a Perkins terminology to facilitate no huddle, hurry up and simplified play calling. The Cowboys are going to want a fluid group of personnel that can line up in any formation based on a single call from play to play. Naturally this is likely going to involve versatile tight ends and doing away with the fullback. You can line up or motion Hanna to F, but can't split out Vickers in the slot. At least not in any way that's a credible threat to the defense.

Agreed.
Hannah just may be a difference-maker this year by being a TE/WR/slot swingman -- defenses will have some difficult containment decisions.
If they man up, it will take a corner; LB's will have real trouble with him.

 

[jobberone]

Agreed.
Hannah just may be a difference-maker this year by being a TE/WR/slot swingman -- defenses will have some difficult containment decisions.
If they man up, it will take a corner; LB's will have real trouble with him.

I see Hanna as more of a f or h but ur right they're all receivers and ur looking to dictate to the defense then exploit the matchups.

 

[Ultimategamer5567]

That music... Really?

I take it you're not much of a fan of Canadian musicians.

 

[newlander]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...-Escobar/fff14dfc-9253-48b0-a505-e8adddc7a9fb

When I last worked for Bill Parcells in 2005, he would always use a line in the personnel meetings that I thought was outstanding. When a scout would go on and on about a player, Parcells would say “Well, your pet cat….” which always put a smile on my face because everyone in the room knew he was right. If I was still scouting for this team, James Hanna would be my pet cat.

When he was drafted last season out of Oklahoma, I honestly didn’t know very much about him and the type of traits he brought to a team. His film was solid but not dominating. He showed up as an outstanding athlete that would make crazy contested catches but would drop balls when he was alone in space. He wasn’t the type of blocker that would lead you to believe that he could be a force as an inline “Y” because most of his blocks were executed on the move but he has developed some inline techniques. Where Hanna made his biggest jump was on the scout team working with Kyle Orton. There were several weeks where the defense had to face a quality tight end and Hanna was making play after play against Rob Ryan’s group and the coaches stood up and took notice.

With the push of Garrett and Callahan to use “12” personnel as a base package, the club went out and drafted
Gavin Escobar in the 2nd round but was interesting, knowing they were looking to go with this package is they passed on the best tight end in the draft, Tyler Eifert who ended up in Cincinnati which might have made some sense. Escobar has some really nice traits with his hands and size but he is nowhere as athletic as Hanna who can be a mismatch problem for a defense much like Jason Witten.
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I'm a big fan of Hanna to and I thought he came on some at the end of the year. I'm not usually a homer for a player although I'm opinionated about some's talents and play as well as problems. But I've been a homer for Escobar since the moment he was drafted. And that's really not fair. Yes, I think he'll do reasonably well this year and yes I think he'll get some snaps and passes as well.

But I really like Hanna as well. I guess I'm just not a homer about the guy which should be a good thing. I like to stay as objective as I can about the team and players. That's just part of the fun of watching the game for me. And I can be a fan as well without being a homer. I like a lot of players in the NFL even some on the Skins, Niners, Giants, Eagles, Steelers and Packers all of whom I hate in a healthy rivalry way.

So I don't have a problem with Broaddus's take on Hanna and in fact I agree with him doing well. I'm not ready to predict which one will have the better year as both are capable but both behind Witten. And the odds favor Hanna since he's been in the offense a year plus.

I do think both are mismatches as much as Witten. They're all different players from a style aspect. Hanna is faster and if he can run routes well and catch the ball he's a star in the making. I think Escobar is going to surprise people with how well he'll get to the ball.

The TEs are going to be a fun group to watch and follow this year esp if they all stay healthy.

BTW, at the end of the article there is an article on the TEs as a group and then a link from there to some photos. Really all are a worthwhile read IMO.

..............agree 100%..........I LOVE me some Hanna. Think the could could really pan out. Like the pick of Escobar from the standpoint JW is getting up there: still great but probly has 2 very good years left: maybe 3.