Scripting First 15-20 Plays

[DABOYZ]

What ever happend to scripting the first 15-20 plays on offense. I think it was the 49ers that used to do this. Does anyone know if the current Cowboys team does this.

Would seem to help the offense get into a better rythym. Run plays that play to our strengths and avoid the negative plays. I know there are variables like penalties that can work against you but the idea is to practice these plays while avoiding penalties right?

 

[MapleLeaf]

...plays for many reasons.

At a high level of competition the biggest reason is you want your opponent to play their hand on the scheme aor alignment on certain formations you present.

Ths helps your game planning further into the game and influences the types of plays you run.

You script also if you have a offence that has difficulty getting basic execution started. It helps for the offence to know what they are doing right off the bat. The problem is you are limited then by your plays and you may not have the right script for the down, distance or field position.

I don't believe too many OCs script without having options. You would typically put together a script, but let your QB call alternate plays based on what the QB sees when he comes up to the line.

It wouldn't surprise me if the coaches that come out of the Bill Walsh coaching tree script to some extent.

It also wouldn't suprise me if the Cowboys chose to script that rarely would the script be followed. Romo is a creative guy and he has got to be up there with Manning (Pyeton) on the number of changes he makes to play calls.

It's one ofthe reasons why I believe the Cowboys have so many issues with presnap penalties.

Romo is holding out for the defence to play their hand. He's constantly barking out changes to play and identifying the defenders he wants the line to scheme for.

The good with Romo is he challenges a defence right to the limit. The bad is he may also be challenging our offensive unit to be on the same page as he is.

 

[GiveDezdaBall88]

I have a great idea how about we actually throw Dez Bryant the football?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I have a great idea how about we actually throw Dez Bryant the football?

I have a great idea. How about Dez Bryant plays 4 full quarters of football for 2 weeks in a row? Appearently last week was his first.

 

[MagicMan]

...plays for many reasons.

At a high level of competition the biggest reason is you want your opponent to play their hand on the scheme aor alignment on certain formations you present.

Ths helps your game planning further into the game and influences the types of plays you run.

You script also if you have a offence that has difficulty getting basic execution started. It helps for the offence to know what they are doing right off the bat. The problem is you are limited then by your plays and you may not have the right script for the down, distance or field position.

I don't believe too many OCs script without having options. You would typically put together a script, but let your QB call alternate plays based on what the QB sees when he comes up to the line.

It wouldn't surprise me if the coaches that come out of the Bill Walsh coaching tree script to some extent.

It also wouldn't suprise me if the Cowboys chose to script that rarely would the script be followed. Romo is a creative guy and he has got to be up there with Manning (Pyeton) on the number of changes he makes to play calls.

It's one ofthe reasons why I believe the Cowboys have so many issues with presnap penalties.

Romo is holding out for the defence to play their hand. He's constantly barking out changes to play and identifying the defenders he wants the line to scheme for.

The good with Romo is he challenges a defence right to the limit. The bad is he may also be challenging our offensive unit to be on the same page as he is.

Great analysis......but then in the famous words of the great philosopher:

“Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”-Mike Tyson.

 

[godeep]

I know Andy Reid scripts the first 15 plays and then Mornhinweg calls the plays afterwards. Look how well that works for those losers.

 

[jday]

I know Andy Reid scripts the first 15 plays and then Mornhinweg calls the plays afterwards. Look how well that works for those losers.

One team's lack of recent success with their scripting is not an argument against it's uses. The Cowboys need a script mainly to weed out the plays there offensive line is not capable of executing. For instance, plays that take longer to develop like th playaction fake reverse.

 

[erod]

All teams do this to an extent, but if the first play doesn't work, or you get a holding call, it kind of trashes your script from the get-go.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

15 plays is about the approximate # of offensive plays a team will run in the first quarter. They script the first 15 plays showing a variety of different, but basic formations. The idea is to see how the opposing defense will play these personnel groups and formations. For example, if you go with a pass play out of 11 personnel (1-tailback, 1-tight end, 3 WR's) and they go to a nickel package to defend it, you may want to use a running play out of that personnel later on if you think the running play can beat their nickel package.

The concept was a smart one, but well overhyped as to what made Bill Walsh a great coach. The creation of his version of the WCO and how to throw the ball more often, but with shorter passes, was where his brilliance lay. The scripting the first 15 plays was something that worked for him, but hasn't worked well for others.






YR

 

[MapleLeaf]

The concept was a smart one, but well overhyped as to what made Bill Walsh a great coach. The creation of his version of the WCO and how to throw the ball more often, but with shorter passes, was where his brilliance lay. The scripting the first 15 plays was something that worked for him, but hasn't worked well for others.

...that even the great Bill Walsh has some flexibility to his script. I can't imagine sticking to a script where down and distance...say 3rd and 25 would warrant a FB dive play on play #11.

Now obviously I am being facetious here, but it must not have been written in stone.

I can see a situation where your script has an order, but it also has down and distance built into it so you can break from the script and still see the defensive scheme to your play list.

 

[Apollo Creed]

JG's offense routinely gets in bad down and distance scenarios so having a script is a waste of time.

 

[Wolfpack]

As YR said, its about getting the defense to show you their cards early on so you can take them to school in the second half.

Red doesnt adjust well typically so scripting would just feed his OCD.

 

[MapleLeaf]

JG's offense routinely gets in bad down and distance scenarios so having a script is a waste of time.

...settle pre snap penalties, unless you are the Dallas Cowboys.

I believe the reason why we are experiencing so many issues year in and year out is Tony is trying to be competitive with the defence and it alters the cadence and the rhythm of the game for the offence.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

...that even the great Bill Walsh has some flexibility to his script. I can't imagine sticking to a script where down and distance...say 3rd and 25 would warrant a FB dive play on play #11.

Now obviously I am being facetious here, but it must not have been written in stone.

The plays are not scripted in order. They are scripted in what plays the coach wants to run in the first quarter and thus see how the defense will play them.

I don't think scripting plays is as prevalent these days as back in Walsh's day, teams would more or less run a base package or a basic nickel or dime package. Now there are all these different types of packages defenses run, even againt the same offensive personnel package and look, so you're not going to get the defense to tip their hand that often.







YR

 

[jazzcat22]

The plays are not scripted in order. They are scripted in what plays the coach wants to run in the first quarter and thus see how the defense will play them.

I don't think scripting plays is as prevalent these days as back in Walsh's day, teams would more or less run a base package or a basic nickel or dime package. Now there are all these different types of packages defenses run, even againt the same offensive personnel package and look, so you're not going to get the defense to tip their hand that often.

YR

Agree with this, too many specialized players so to speak depending the situation.
Also many teams use a rotations now. Maybe if a team used a no huddle to control the defenses personnel change but that's not really going to help later in the game, when you slow down the offense. You still won'y have a read on their base defenses.

I don't think the scripting plays is useful anymore either. Tom Landry's flex defense even ran it's course, like any dynasty...things eventually change.