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I was visiting a Seahawk site to see what they are saying about yesterday, ran across this excellent post.



I think we just saw the defining game of the 2014 NFL season. Not a passing of the torch per se, but a reminder that every NFL season is a new year and that you should never trust preseason predictions too heavily.

Dallas came into one of the hardest places to play in NFL history. They had a punt blocked for a TD. They had two turnovers. Those three plays basically spotted Seattle 17 points. The Cowboys had some brutal penalties too. They had two holding calls that wiped out big plays, (the second of which was overcome with a game altering 3rd and 20 conversion). And they had another penalty at the very end of the game that gave Seattle a last gasp they should have never had.

Seattle was relatively mistake free. Penalties were basically around their season average, and they didn't turn the ball over for the first 59 minutes.

And the Dallas Cowboys still won by a TD despite all that.

I don't know what it is that I hate the most about NFL fandom. But if I were to make a top five list, somewhere on that list would be fans complaining about playcalling after a loss and then calling coaches geniuses after a win. It's often pretty dumb and unfailingly annoying. There are, occasionally, moments when playcalling really truly was a big reason the Hawks lost, and today was one of those days.

Bevell has been trying too hard for some time now, and finally against a well prepared team it finally bit him in the ***. It felt like a game like this on offense was coming for some time, despite the effectiveness of the offense in previous games. You can only be cute on offense for so long before a well coached team solves it.

I would really hope that this game forces Pete to look in the mirror and get the offense back to the fundamentals. Lynch had just 2 carries at halftime, and just 10 carries for the game. Lynch averaged 6.1 yards per carry, over a yard more than Russell Wilson averaged per pass attempt. If that doesn't scream for a meat and potatoes offense, I don't know what would.

I don't want to blame Harvin. To the eyeball test, he looks just fine. But the results this year have been mostly awful. He can't even get kickoffs to the 20 yard line.

I think it's fine to hit the panic button on Seattle's secondary, especially with Maxwell having a high ankle sprain. This pass defense just hasn't been the same under the new rules emphasis, as was widely predicted. I applaud Carroll for putting Sherman on Dez after the Maxwell injury. Unfortunately, the move exposed Sherman as a player that is now clearly having a down season.

It also appears in my highly amateur analysis that pretty much every NFL team seems to have solved Seattle's cover 3 at this point. Even the teams that lost to Seattle were running cover 3 beaters pretty effectively.

But at the end of the day, I think Seahawks fans have largely been guilty of underestimating what very well might be the NFC's best team in 2014. They have an elite RB, a very efficient QB, a true #1 WR, a good TE, the consensus best OL in the NFL, and a vastly improved pass defense. Make no mistake, the Cowboys stunk before 2014, and they might stink in 2015, but in 2014 they are a powerhouse in the NFC landscape. In the NFL, a lot can happen in any given season.

Even if you disagree and still don't buy into Dallas (I don't know what it would take to convince you, but anyway), you have to give their coaching staff a ton of credit for attacking the weaknesses of Seattle's defense and having the perfect game plan to counter Seattle's triple threat offense. In particular, I was very impressed by the play of their secondary. It seemed as if every Wilson pass was to a well covered target. Now, part of that is Wilson visually missing open receivers (and at least a few times today, that was a problem). That said, I suspect that the all-22 won't show a ton of Seattle receivers being wide open in this game. It seemed like Dallas just ran with man coverage, spied the QB with a LB, and did a great job of it.

It's rare that I'll put most of a loss on the coaches, but this was one of those rare times. Even though the score was a lot higher, this game reminded me a lot of the Arizona loss last year. Arizona dominated and barely won thanks to a ton of turnvers, and they dominated because they won the coaching battle so decisively. Pete and his staff have a lot to answer for after this game no doubt. But I am thankful that this is a fairly uncommon occurrence, and I think the Dallas coaching staff deserves all the praise they get this week. Hell of a job by them.

Last year, there were four games that felt like a loss the whole way. At Houston, At St. Louis, Tampa, and Arizona. Seattle was 3-1 in those games. Which is a miracle.

This year they've had two of those kind of games that felt like a loss the whole way. San Diego and Dallas. Seattle is 0-2 in those games.

I have a theory for this discrepancy. Last year, Seattle could lean on their defense to win games. This year, they simply cannot, and their offense, while pretty good, is not currently built to score on command. Seattle had three chances to win or tie in both losses at the end of those games, and failed to produce almost any offense on any of those possessions.

The part about being unable to score on command is yet another reason why I think Seattle needs to get back to the fundamentals. Run the ball. And take shots a little more often in the passing game.

As long as Seattle strays from the fundamentals and plays pourous pass D, I can't see this team being any better than 10-6. These concerns are not new, and if the whole season plays out without things changing, I would honestly welcome a wildcard berth.
 

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As long as Seattle strays from the fundamentals and plays pourous pass D, I can't see this team being any better than 10-6. .

That pretty much apply to any team. This was an excellent and level headed post.
 

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I don't feel like Seattle played all that bad. I do get the playcalling being bad. They didn't feed Lynch near enough. But outside of the 32 yard run, he didn't really run all that well when given the chance. I think Seattle's biggest loss on offense last year might end up being Golden Tate. He would make big first down catches when they needed to all the time last year.
 

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All I remember was reading how Seattle was built to be a dynasty. Man, I guess things are more difficult than they had originally imagined. Then again, this season isn't over yet, and they can easily rebound. But maybe there should be less talks of dynasties ...
 

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Another thing that helped Seattle last year was a very easy start to the schedule. Look at the first 11 games they played last year the only playoff teams they were against were San Francisco, Carolina, and Indianapolis. Arizona was also really good last year winning 10 games and missing out on the playoffs. The rest of their schedule pretty much consisted of the worst teams in the NFL. Rams, Bucs, Vikings, Jags, Titans, Texans, If Dallas had that schedule last year they would have made the playoffs. So the schedule this year is much tougher overall. San Diego has proven to be a stout team so far. They also beat Denver and destroyed Green Bay. Both of those will be playoff teams. I would be shocked if they lose any of their next 4 games. The stretch they have at the end of the season might be real tough. @ KC, Arizona, @ San Fran, Philadelphia, San Fran, @ Arizona. Those are basically all games against should be playoff teams. Or in KC's and probably Arizona's case a borderline playoff team. But they'll probably go something like 4-2 in that stretch. 12-4 overall against a much tougher schedule than last year is very impressive.
 

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People are overreacting calling Seattle's and Sherman's demise. Seattle is still a very good team. Maybe not as strong as last season but they will certainly be in the mix. And good grief, Sherman got beat a few times by a top 3 WR and now he's overrated? Sherman is not Deion obviously. But Irvin used to destroy Deion in their prime, was he overrated?
 

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I think Marinelli showed how you defend Russell Wilson. You blitz him with zone coverage when you think it is likely they are going to run the ball. And you mush rush him, keep him in the pocket and play man-to-man when you think they are going to pass. You have to keep him in the pocket on passing plays. His incredible ability to pull off the miraculous pass for big yardage is too great to be ignored.





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People are overreacting calling Seattle's and Sherman's demise. Seattle is still a very good team. Maybe not as strong as last season but they will certainly be in the mix. And good grief, Sherman got beat a few times by a top 3 WR and now he's overrated? Sherman is not Deion obviously. But Irvin used to destroy Deion in their prime, was he overrated?

It's not like Bryant destroyed that defense either. Bryant just put up a respectable number. He made some key plays. Had a TD basically taken away from him by a bad call. I don't think Sherman even touched him on that one catch and Bryant should have been able to run it in. But other than that the catch on the final drive was against solid coverage. Just a case of Bryant being bigger and jumping high. Nothing any DB could have done against that. The only play that Seattle's DBs really got beat on was losing Williams on that incredible play. Which probably wasn't even intended for T-Will.
 

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All I remember was reading how Seattle was built to be a dynasty. Man, I guess things are more difficult than they had originally imagined. Then again, this season isn't over yet, and they can easily rebound. But maybe there should be less talks of dynasties ...

Seattle will be in the NFC Championship, they survived the roughest starting schedule in the NFL with a 3-2 record. They'll be 11-5 at least.
 

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A lot of fans, Seahawks and other nfl teams, on reddit were impressed by our performance. It's really weird to see fans from all across the league giving us praise. Even fans from our NFC East rivals.
 

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All the chicken little stuff with Seattle is annoying and an overreaction. Barring a big injury or something, they'll still win double-digit games and they'll be a top 3 team in the NFC.
 

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It's not like Bryant destroyed that defense either. Bryant just put up a respectable number. He made some key plays. Had a TD basically taken away from him by a bad call. I don't think Sherman even touched him on that one catch and Bryant should have been able to run it in. But other than that the catch on the final drive was against solid coverage. Just a case of Bryant being bigger and jumping high. Nothing any DB could have done against that. The only play that Seattle's DBs really got beat on was losing Williams on that incredible play. Which probably wasn't even intended for T-Will.
Dez dropped a TD pass - granted it was Maxwell covering him - but if he holds on to that one he has a pretty big day.
 

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I was visiting a Seahawk site to see what they are saying about yesterday, ran across this excellent post.



I think we just saw the defining game of the 2014 NFL season. Not a passing of the torch per se, but a reminder that every NFL season is a new year and that you should never trust preseason predictions too heavily.

Dallas came into one of the hardest places to play in NFL history. They had a punt blocked for a TD. They had two turnovers. Those three plays basically spotted Seattle 17 points. The Cowboys had some brutal penalties too. They had two holding calls that wiped out big plays, (the second of which was overcome with a game altering 3rd and 20 conversion). And they had another penalty at the very end of the game that gave Seattle a last gasp they should have never had.

Seattle was relatively mistake free. Penalties were basically around their season average, and they didn't turn the ball over for the first 59 minutes.

And the Dallas Cowboys still won by a TD despite all that.

I don't know what it is that I hate the most about NFL fandom. But if I were to make a top five list, somewhere on that list would be fans complaining about playcalling after a loss and then calling coaches geniuses after a win. It's often pretty dumb and unfailingly annoying. There are, occasionally, moments when playcalling really truly was a big reason the Hawks lost, and today was one of those days.

Bevell has been trying too hard for some time now, and finally against a well prepared team it finally bit him in the ***. It felt like a game like this on offense was coming for some time, despite the effectiveness of the offense in previous games. You can only be cute on offense for so long before a well coached team solves it.

I would really hope that this game forces Pete to look in the mirror and get the offense back to the fundamentals. Lynch had just 2 carries at halftime, and just 10 carries for the game. Lynch averaged 6.1 yards per carry, over a yard more than Russell Wilson averaged per pass attempt. If that doesn't scream for a meat and potatoes offense, I don't know what would.

I don't want to blame Harvin. To the eyeball test, he looks just fine. But the results this year have been mostly awful. He can't even get kickoffs to the 20 yard line.

I think it's fine to hit the panic button on Seattle's secondary, especially with Maxwell having a high ankle sprain. This pass defense just hasn't been the same under the new rules emphasis, as was widely predicted. I applaud Carroll for putting Sherman on Dez after the Maxwell injury. Unfortunately, the move exposed Sherman as a player that is now clearly having a down season.

It also appears in my highly amateur analysis that pretty much every NFL team seems to have solved Seattle's cover 3 at this point. Even the teams that lost to Seattle were running cover 3 beaters pretty effectively.

But at the end of the day, I think Seahawks fans have largely been guilty of underestimating what very well might be the NFC's best team in 2014. They have an elite RB, a very efficient QB, a true #1 WR, a good TE, the consensus best OL in the NFL, and a vastly improved pass defense. Make no mistake, the Cowboys stunk before 2014, and they might stink in 2015, but in 2014 they are a powerhouse in the NFC landscape. In the NFL, a lot can happen in any given season.

Even if you disagree and still don't buy into Dallas (I don't know what it would take to convince you, but anyway), you have to give their coaching staff a ton of credit for attacking the weaknesses of Seattle's defense and having the perfect game plan to counter Seattle's triple threat offense. In particular, I was very impressed by the play of their secondary. It seemed as if every Wilson pass was to a well covered target. Now, part of that is Wilson visually missing open receivers (and at least a few times today, that was a problem). That said, I suspect that the all-22 won't show a ton of Seattle receivers being wide open in this game. It seemed like Dallas just ran with man coverage, spied the QB with a LB, and did a great job of it.

It's rare that I'll put most of a loss on the coaches, but this was one of those rare times. Even though the score was a lot higher, this game reminded me a lot of the Arizona loss last year. Arizona dominated and barely won thanks to a ton of turnvers, and they dominated because they won the coaching battle so decisively. Pete and his staff have a lot to answer for after this game no doubt. But I am thankful that this is a fairly uncommon occurrence, and I think the Dallas coaching staff deserves all the praise they get this week. Hell of a job by them.

Last year, there were four games that felt like a loss the whole way. At Houston, At St. Louis, Tampa, and Arizona. Seattle was 3-1 in those games. Which is a miracle.

This year they've had two of those kind of games that felt like a loss the whole way. San Diego and Dallas. Seattle is 0-2 in those games.

I have a theory for this discrepancy. Last year, Seattle could lean on their defense to win games. This year, they simply cannot, and their offense, while pretty good, is not currently built to score on command. Seattle had three chances to win or tie in both losses at the end of those games, and failed to produce almost any offense on any of those possessions.

The part about being unable to score on command is yet another reason why I think Seattle needs to get back to the fundamentals. Run the ball. And take shots a little more often in the passing game.

As long as Seattle strays from the fundamentals and plays pourous pass D, I can't see this team being any better than 10-6. These concerns are not new, and if the whole season plays out without things changing, I would honestly welcome a wildcard berth.

My, My, My, :)
 

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I think Marinelli showed how you defend Russell Wilson. You blitz him with zone coverage when you think it is likely they are going to run the ball. And you mush rush him, keep him in the pocket and play man-to-man when you think they are going to pass. You have to keep him in the pocket on passing plays. His incredible ability to pull off the miraculous pass for big yardage is too great to be ignored.





YR

Actually.. I think San Diego did it first. If you didn't see that game. It's a copy cat league - Marinelli just copied what worked. A lot like how they defended Vick in his younger days(pre-dog disaster)
 

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I was visiting a Seahawk site to see what they are saying about yesterday, ran across this excellent post.



I think we just saw the defining game of the 2014 NFL season. Not a passing of the torch per se, but a reminder that every NFL season is a new year and that you should never trust preseason predictions too heavily.

Dallas came into one of the hardest places to play in NFL history. They had a punt blocked for a TD. They had two turnovers. Those three plays basically spotted Seattle 17 points. The Cowboys had some brutal penalties too. They had two holding calls that wiped out big plays, (the second of which was overcome with a game altering 3rd and 20 conversion). And they had another penalty at the very end of the game that gave Seattle a last gasp they should have never had.

Seattle was relatively mistake free. Penalties were basically around their season average, and they didn't turn the ball over for the first 59 minutes.

And the Dallas Cowboys still won by a TD despite all that.

I don't know what it is that I hate the most about NFL fandom. But if I were to make a top five list, somewhere on that list would be fans complaining about playcalling after a loss and then calling coaches geniuses after a win. It's often pretty dumb and unfailingly annoying. There are, occasionally, moments when playcalling really truly was a big reason the Hawks lost, and today was one of those days.

Bevell has been trying too hard for some time now, and finally against a well prepared team it finally bit him in the ***. It felt like a game like this on offense was coming for some time, despite the effectiveness of the offense in previous games. You can only be cute on offense for so long before a well coached team solves it.

I would really hope that this game forces Pete to look in the mirror and get the offense back to the fundamentals. Lynch had just 2 carries at halftime, and just 10 carries for the game. Lynch averaged 6.1 yards per carry, over a yard more than Russell Wilson averaged per pass attempt. If that doesn't scream for a meat and potatoes offense, I don't know what would.

I don't want to blame Harvin. To the eyeball test, he looks just fine. But the results this year have been mostly awful. He can't even get kickoffs to the 20 yard line.

I think it's fine to hit the panic button on Seattle's secondary, especially with Maxwell having a high ankle sprain. This pass defense just hasn't been the same under the new rules emphasis, as was widely predicted. I applaud Carroll for putting Sherman on Dez after the Maxwell injury. Unfortunately, the move exposed Sherman as a player that is now clearly having a down season.

It also appears in my highly amateur analysis that pretty much every NFL team seems to have solved Seattle's cover 3 at this point. Even the teams that lost to Seattle were running cover 3 beaters pretty effectively.

But at the end of the day, I think Seahawks fans have largely been guilty of underestimating what very well might be the NFC's best team in 2014. They have an elite RB, a very efficient QB, a true #1 WR, a good TE, the consensus best OL in the NFL, and a vastly improved pass defense. Make no mistake, the Cowboys stunk before 2014, and they might stink in 2015, but in 2014 they are a powerhouse in the NFC landscape. In the NFL, a lot can happen in any given season.

Even if you disagree and still don't buy into Dallas (I don't know what it would take to convince you, but anyway), you have to give their coaching staff a ton of credit for attacking the weaknesses of Seattle's defense and having the perfect game plan to counter Seattle's triple threat offense. In particular, I was very impressed by the play of their secondary. It seemed as if every Wilson pass was to a well covered target. Now, part of that is Wilson visually missing open receivers (and at least a few times today, that was a problem). That said, I suspect that the all-22 won't show a ton of Seattle receivers being wide open in this game. It seemed like Dallas just ran with man coverage, spied the QB with a LB, and did a great job of it.

It's rare that I'll put most of a loss on the coaches, but this was one of those rare times. Even though the score was a lot higher, this game reminded me a lot of the Arizona loss last year. Arizona dominated and barely won thanks to a ton of turnvers, and they dominated because they won the coaching battle so decisively. Pete and his staff have a lot to answer for after this game no doubt. But I am thankful that this is a fairly uncommon occurrence, and I think the Dallas coaching staff deserves all the praise they get this week. Hell of a job by them.

Last year, there were four games that felt like a loss the whole way. At Houston, At St. Louis, Tampa, and Arizona. Seattle was 3-1 in those games. Which is a miracle.

This year they've had two of those kind of games that felt like a loss the whole way. San Diego and Dallas. Seattle is 0-2 in those games.

I have a theory for this discrepancy. Last year, Seattle could lean on their defense to win games. This year, they simply cannot, and their offense, while pretty good, is not currently built to score on command. Seattle had three chances to win or tie in both losses at the end of those games, and failed to produce almost any offense on any of those possessions.

The part about being unable to score on command is yet another reason why I think Seattle needs to get back to the fundamentals. Run the ball. And take shots a little more often in the passing game.

As long as Seattle strays from the fundamentals and plays pourous pass D, I can't see this team being any better than 10-6. These concerns are not new, and if the whole season plays out without things changing, I would honestly welcome a wildcard berth.

Sherman is good, and I don't buy a down season...he just came up against an equally good Dez Bryant...he got a few licks...Dez got a few licks. They don't normally have him trailing a specific guy, which says much about Carroll's concern with him taking over the game. Time for the NFL to give Bryant his due. Period.

Seattle does not disguise what they do with their coverages. They play you straight up and rely on execution, intimidation and big hits to shut you down.

The Dallas o-line looks to only get better, so the theory that this might only be a one year wonder looks rather speculative at the moment. Once a ZBS get really refined, you don't need all world running backs to make it go...just a patient and disciplined runner.

Seattle will only decline from this point on because pretty soon key players are going to have to be paid, and that means tough decisions at key positions. The Seahawks are extremely talented but cracks are starting to appear since they lost key players this year. The same thing happened to the Dallas past the mid-90's

You are never going to beat Seattle in their place without potent running, and winning the TOP that comes with that strategy. They wanted more from Lynch in the first half but they simply did not have the ball much. Their quick special teams scores actually worked against them, having to immediately send their defense back out to face double digit offensive drives.

Seattle does not really rely on a deep passing game...they like hard running and yards after the catch. The offensive line suffered without Unger. However, even with Unger, Seattle has been harassed more this year than last.

Wilson could not carry his team when it mattered...50% passing just won't cut it against more elite teams. 47. something passer rating...Romo was easily the best QB on the field Sunday, and it showed. The PSRD really swung in the favor of Dallas yesterday...if the trend continues...then who knows what these Cowboys can ultimately do with this season.

Finally, Marinelli (probably helped by Mincey) showed that disciplined, hard-nosed play on defense can put the brakes on the Seattle offense as it exists currently.
 

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It's not like Bryant destroyed that defense either. Bryant just put up a respectable number. He made some key plays. Had a TD basically taken away from him by a bad call. I don't think Sherman even touched him on that one catch and Bryant should have been able to run it in. But other than that the catch on the final drive was against solid coverage. Just a case of Bryant being bigger and jumping high. Nothing any DB could have done against that. The only play that Seattle's DBs really got beat on was losing Williams on that incredible play. Which probably wasn't even intended for T-Will.

That last ball to Bryant was not being caught by anyone but Bryant. Sherman had good position but Romo put it where he knew only Bryant would get it. Like I said, Sherman is good but Bryant is equally good. I am sure they will say the same regarding each others play. They seemed to be having a cordial exchange near the end of the game...mutual respect and admiration. Nice to see.
 

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A lot of fans, Seahawks and other nfl teams, on reddit were impressed by our performance. It's really weird to see fans from all across the league giving us praise. Even fans from our NFC East rivals.

Some don't know how to live in a world where the Cowboys have returned to being a team to be feared. I don't understand why that is exactly. The low level of tolerance for Cowboy dominance is flabbergasting. Let's face it, Jones, Romo and co. have been the butt of jokes for quite some time. I will enjoy it immensely if Dallas steamrolls the rest of the year and on through the playoffs. The worm has to turn eventually...looks like that time has come in Dallas, much to the chagrin of opponents. You know the world has gone upside down when you have 49er fans cheering along with Dallas fans at the demise of Seattle. Seattle will surely respond like champions, but their aura of invincibility is fast evaporating.
 

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Blaming the coaches for what happened to them is a cop out, we dominated the LOS on both sides, that's not coaching that is flat out being beat

Well humans have to assign blame somewhere and coaching is usually a sort of "denial" that the players might not be as great as previously believed. Apart from special teams, they were dominated, plain and simple...something they did not see coming from the stumbling, bumbling, over-hyped Cowboys...or so they thought! What a difference 60 minutes on a football field makes eh? Signature win for Jason Garrett, and on the road to boot. I won't denigrate him this week...he can have his champagne any way he wants it.
 

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I think Marinelli showed how you defend Russell Wilson. You blitz him with zone coverage when you think it is likely they are going to run the ball. And you mush rush him, keep him in the pocket and play man-to-man when you think they are going to pass. You have to keep him in the pocket on passing plays. His incredible ability to pull off the miraculous pass for big yardage is too great to be ignored.





YR

People also knew how to defend Jordan...in theory. How you did it in practice remains to be seen. Also we didn't play a ton of zone.

As to the fan post I disagreed with the "this felt like a loss" comment.

When they were up 10-0 and Romo had just been speared and stayed down over a minute....what was he doing/thinking?
 
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