"See The Team's GM Over There? Don't Ever Go Talk To Him."

drawandstrike

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Janoris Jenkins, who spent the 1st 4 years of his NFL career with the Rams before going to the Giants this season, said the other day Rams players were ordered to NEVER speak to the Ram's GM.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ayers-arent-allowed-to-speak-to-stan-kroenke/

Of course, the inference here is that this means outside of contract talks, but this is still troubling.

A thought I've had recently surveying the NFL over the past several decades is how many of these dysfunctional teams do not have people with real coaching experience in the GM role. Instead what they have are often former scouts or front office people who've never coached at any level of the game.

What I'm about to say might be controversial in the current NFL climate, but 1 of the biggest signs of someone who knows how to successfully build a football team and lead it to success is someone who's done it as a coach, even at the high school and football level. Survey the NFL and look at the people hired to be GM's in the league and how many of them are former head coaches or even assistant coaches with successful high school, college or NFL teams on their resume?

Practically none of them.

Most are former NFL scouts who've never coached at any level. Just because you might have some affinity for spotting and judging individual talent doesn't mean you know how to build a successful NFL team.

That's what coaches do. They have a vision for the team they want to build when they come into the job. Many good coaches have their own 'style' or 'brand' of football that they want to play, and the GM's job should be to help tailor personnel moves to complement and achieve the head coach's vision for the team.

The first sign of a dysfunctional franchise is that it's doing the exact opposite of what I just described in the preceding paragraph. Many teams in the league have longtime GM's who've never coached at any level who is close to the owner and what the team is doing is hiring coaches to try to fulfill the GENERAL MANAGER'S vision of the team he wants to build.

This is exactly backwards, and explains situations where guys like Harbaugh get forced out of San Francisco. Instead of working together to achieve the head coach's vision for his team, the head coach keeps having to fight the team's GM over the direction & vision for the team.

Jeff Fisher's real problem might be that he keeps accepting jobs with teams where the longtime GM in place has all the real power and is dictating personnel moves to him instead of trying to understand his vision for the team and catering to it.
 

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Kind of a confusing article and/or thought here. Kroenke is the owner and Les Snead is the GM. Jenkins was told not to talk to just the owner or both?

While Jenkins might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, it sounds like Kroenke was pointed out to him & he was warned 'don't talk to that guy'.
 

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While Jenkins might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, it sounds like Kroenke was pointed out to him & he was warned 'don't talk to that guy'.

I got that part but what does that have to do with GM's? You went off on a tirade against them :laugh:
 

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I got that part but what does that have to do with GM's? You went off on a tirade against them :laugh:

I thought it was obvious. Many NFL GM's have never been coaches, aren't used to being around players, and I think many keep themselves aloof and apart from players to hide the fact they have little real knowledge about how to build a successful football team. They got the job by being a front office flunky who sucked up to the owner.

They are front office people or former scouts, not coaches who've ever built a team and lead it to win anything.
 

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I've always seen it as they don't like to get close to players they may eventually have to cut/release. Although I agree that type of atmosphere isn't conducive for winning.

I don't really agree with the premise that coaching experience is necessary for scouting players. Some of the best teams for drafting don't have GMs that were coaches, but they did have some who were players.
 
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