Seeing An Unexpected Silver Lining After Steelers Game

[ArtClink]

We have been decimated with injuries on the defensive side of the ball. Partway through the Steeler game we lost another defensive end, however, even with the decimated defense, and the lack of playmakers on offense, I am seeing some encouraging signs from some of our young talent.

Tolbert, who was in camp every day looks to be developing quite a rapport with Dak Prescott. While there may or may not be friction between Dak and CD lamb, Dak & Tolbert have significantly more reps due to their work training camp. I am hopeful that Tolbert will continue to develop and become a great receiver for us.

On the defensive side of the ball, I was very impressed with our back ups and the job they did against the Steelers. Granted, the Steelers are not a great offense, but they have a top 10 running game, which was stuffed even with a lot of back ups in place for us. Again, I have high hopes that these are known younger players can develop into something special.

Great front offices Have a way of drafting bang for the buck players or through free agency that are very productive when their name is called. In the salary cap era, the best teams are the ones who find these diamonds in the rough players with a smaller cap.

If our backups are playing this well, I wonder what the season would have looked like if we hadn’t traded away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and instead got a great young college running back.

We are about to play the lions and some other stronger teams, so we’ll see how these younger players continue to develop.

 

[blueblood70]

We have been decimated with injuries on the defensive side of the ball. Partway through the Steeler game we lost another defensive end, however, even with the decimated defense, and the lack of playmakers on offense, I am seeing some encouraging signs from some of our young talent.

Tolbert, who was in camp every day looks to be developing quite a rapport with Dak Prescott. While there may or may not be friction between Dak and CD lamb, Dak & Tolbert have significantly more reps due to their work training camp. I am hopeful that Tolbert will continue to develop and become a great receiver for us.

On the defensive side of the ball, I was very impressed with our back ups and the job they did against the Steelers. Granted, the Steelers are not a great offense, but they have a top 10 running game, which was stuffed even with a lot of back ups in place for us. Again, I have high hopes that these are known younger players can develop into something special.

Great front offices Have a way of drafting bang for the buck players or through free agency that are very productive when their name is called. In the salary cap era, the best teams are the ones who find these diamonds in the rough players with a smaller cap.

If our backups are playing this well, I wonder what the season would have looked like if we hadn’t traded away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and instead got a great young college running back.

We are about to play the lions and some other stronger teams, so we’ll see how these younger players continue to develop.

But it's happened all over the team the last four weeks,

we have found answers and I believe and I didn't see it in your write up the offensive line silver lining is Guyton still needs time to grow, you need to start the next game with that exact lineup that we finished with ,there's a lot of upside with both TJ bass and Hoffman we don't see much of A drop off with them...

so you might as well keep Tyler Smith at left tackle for a little while and let Guyton if he's healthy be the swing tackle and if Steele continues to struggle then my idea is to insert gait in that right tackle and let him learn there... Run game and pass protect was simply better with these players..

So, we learned a lot from that game and you're right the silver lining is it doesn't need to be remained to be seen I think we found our backup rotation that can come in when our starters are tired they don't need to be on the field as much we found our new Armstrong and our new fowler..

And if you get guys that can substitute in more than what you thought they could now you have the right rotation I don't think they knew which guys could step up this was Tyler weeks first game I believe and maybe he's better option than Lawson and you bring in Lawson as a fifth guy which makes it even better because now he could be your Sam Williams if needed..

So we've learned that we have some better depth than we thought the silver lining is when the starters come back now the coaches know how to utilize these players and are not gonna be afraid to put them in more and keep your starters fresh for late in the fourth quarter when you really need Michael Parsons and tank to be dead on lethal..

 

[Nova]

I have super low expectations for the season, but it was cool seeing some things clicking with the younger guys.

Beebe looks great. We got this guy in RD 3. RD 3!

 

[jazzcat22]

It was a great win, though sloppy. But seen some good things from it.
But not enough to get me hyped up going forward.

 

[blueblood70]

It was a great win, though sloppy. But seen some good things from it.
But not enough to get me hyped up going forward.

Right that's the encouraging thing right on the road long weather delay a little bit of a wet field so there was moisture there outdoors in a hostile environment on the road 3 times this year we've already won the games and the fact that it was sloppy and we still won I mean how many times does Prescott have games like that not many where he has that many turnovers in a game there were reasons for it Sadie lamb in my opinion what's we're finding out now really on that interception he make an effort to come back and break that up but he also apparently didn't run the proper play it was supposed to be a comeback and he didn't come back he chose to go off script again and I see now three interceptions over the last two years one missed touchdown over him going off script like the play at the beginning when Prescott calls it it has a specific thing you're supposed to do this isn't a read and react offense anymore.

So sometimes the other players have to be accountable and yes Prescott hold the other one up in the air because he thought tolbert was gonna get deeper than the safety and he didn't or whoever that was those don't happen very often I mean you look at the fumble too I mean you're running away from TJ Watt like you're supposed to and at worst you're just gonna get sacked but then another dude comes torpedoing in sandwiches your arse, most anybody was gonna drop that football that was a massive collision from you being held up in the back and then smashed in the front sure he could have probably got the ball away my point is it wasn't like he was that sloppy these were just circumstances that led to some bad plays but in the middle of all that,

if you look in between the lines this offense was rolling all over them on every single series just up and down the field and slowly yes methodically but when they were keeping the ball anywhere from 9 to 15 play drives they were keeping their defense rested they were keeping pittsburgh's offense off the field they were eating up the clock and when you turn the ball over in scoring range it really feels like it's a gut punch but at the same time not really they basically fully walked the ball up like a punt instead of one of those long throws and punts it was on long drive that those happened they would have never been in scoring range if it wasn't for Prescott this defense would have never been rested to chase around Justin fields and tackle Harris all game had it not been for this offense playing keep away against a really good defense on the road with all kinds of reasons to lose this game and they won that's why it's better it was sloppy and we won the game..

So when I look at this that's the silver lining we should have lost this game before it started that's what everyone said we shouldn't have even been in this game most people picked us to lose and then all these things happened within the game with the penalties at the wrong time in the turnovers and you still find a way to win that's more encouraging to me than if they would've just came in there and blew out the Steelers 30 to 14 and the Steelers basically didn't show up no that's not the case we had a hard fought game till the end with all the other things I already mentioned I think that's more encouraging.

I'm not hyped up no way that's not what this game told me but this game told me we got enough depth we have a bunch of players coming back over the next two or three weeks and we can make a run on the back end of this season I don't know what kind of one but no I'm not hyped up there's no reason to be overly encouraged but I am encouraged...

 

[DallasInDC]

We have been decimated with injuries on the defensive side of the ball. Partway through the Steeler game we lost another defensive end, however, even with the decimated defense, and the lack of playmakers on offense, I am seeing some encouraging signs from some of our young talent.

Tolbert, who was in camp every day looks to be developing quite a rapport with Dak Prescott. While there may or may not be friction between Dak and CD lamb, Dak & Tolbert have significantly more reps due to their work training camp. I am hopeful that Tolbert will continue to develop and become a great receiver for us.

On the defensive side of the ball, I was very impressed with our back ups and the job they did against the Steelers. Granted, the Steelers are not a great offense, but they have a top 10 running game, which was stuffed even with a lot of back ups in place for us. Again, I have high hopes that these are known younger players can develop into something special.

Great front offices Have a way of drafting bang for the buck players or through free agency that are very productive when their name is called. In the salary cap era, the best teams are the ones who find these diamonds in the rough players with a smaller cap.

If our backups are playing this well, I wonder what the season would have looked like if we hadn’t traded away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and instead got a great young college running back.

We are about to play the lions and some other stronger teams, so we’ll see how these younger players continue to develop.

This is one of my biggest issues with this (and previous) coaching staffs. they seem to refuse to get young talent reps throughout the season (and I'm referring to plays here and there and not just throwing them in to sink/swim). This would go a long way in there development and give the coaching staff a real chance to see how they perform in game situations...which could be significantly different from practice situations.

 

[ArtClink]

This is one of my biggest issues with this (and previous) coaching staffs. they seem to refuse to get young talent reps throughout the season (and I'm referring to plays here and there and not just throwing them in to sink/swim). This would go a long way in there development and give the coaching staff a real chance to see how they perform in game situations...which could be significantly different from practice situations.

IMO, the guys who start and who play fall into several camps:

1. They were drafted high
2. They were acquired in free agency
3. Jerry has a special place for them in his heart (Zeke is a great example and not Zeke's fault)

I am saying Jerry has a heavy hand in who plays and who sits and this pattern has repeated itself over the decades. And as you said the end result is we have some talented backups who just need some reps to see if they can become great players. The Dallas head coach is more of a figure head and eventually a scapegoat.

 

[DallasEast]

This is one of my biggest issues with this (and previous) coaching staffs. they seem to refuse to get young talent reps throughout the season (and I'm referring to plays here and there and not just throwing them in to sink/swim). This would go a long way in there development and give the coaching staff a real chance to see how they perform in game situations...which could be significantly different from practice situations.

It would be a good opportunity of comparing how Mike McCarthy and his Green Bay coaching staff utilized young talent in that way--versus how he and his Cowboys coaching staff injects young talent into games. I would think McCarthy earns the frustration if he has injected young players into games in a similar fashion at both coaching stops.

However, additional questions arise if he did so more with young Packers players than with young Cowboys players. In this aspect, why would his coaching philosophy differ? And was the difference influenced by advice or direction provided outside his coaching staff or peers?

 

[DallasEast]

IMO, the guys who start and who play fall into several camps:

1. They were drafted high
2. They were acquired in free agency
3. Jerry has a special place for them in his heart (Zeke is a great example and not Zeke's fault)

I am saying Jerry has a heavy hand in who plays and who sits and this pattern has repeated itself over the decades. And as you said the end result is we have some talented backups who just need some reps to see if they can become great players. The Dallas head coach is more of a figure head and eventually a scapegoat.

Bold> Well, you beat me to the punch, although I posed it as an open question.

 

[blueblood70]

IMO, the guys who start and who play fall into several camps:

1. They were drafted high
2. They were acquired in free agency
3. Jerry has a special place for them in his heart (Zeke is a great example and not Zeke's fault)

I am saying Jerry has a heavy hand in who plays and who sits and this pattern has repeated itself over the decades. And as you said the end result is we have some talented backups who just need some reps to see if they can become great players. The Dallas head coach is more of a figure head and eventually a scapegoat.

If zeke was so special ,

remind me how he hasn't got hardly any snaps this year?

I tried to tell people don't make a big deal at him being named #1 running back starting running back because I knew it in the season that wasn't gonna happen that's just giving a veteran some respect saying he's a starter but he's hardly had any snaps and more and more week by week he's not even came out and started the game and not even got the goal line and I don't know 100 and zeke probably should've got that goal line play that Rico fumble...

I don't see why you wouldn't put your bigger stronger backs in for that but don't say Ezekiel Elliott is somehow has a special place in Jerry Heart as if he medals on who starts and who plays the most and snap counts, because he doesn't, I don't care what people keep saying just because he seems to be that way during the week and the way he talks about injuries and who's playing and who's not does not mean he medals control on who is gonna be active on game day and who plays the most because if that were true you wouldn't see guys like Elliott and even right now lamb got all that money and they aren't hardly going to him in the second-half at all some of it the defense dictating it but seriously the coaches are making these calls but I get your point...

 

[blueblood70]

IMO, the guys who start and who play fall into several camps:

1. They were drafted high
2. They were acquired in free agency
3. Jerry has a special place for them in his heart (Zeke is a great example and not Zeke's fault)

I am saying Jerry has a heavy hand in who plays and who sits and this pattern has repeated itself over the decades. And as you said the end result is we have some talented backups who just need some reps to see if they can become great players. The Dallas head coach is more of a figure head and eventually a scapegoat.

You'd be wrong Jerry doesn't have a heavy hand in it he may make hints or ask why a player didn't get as many snaps but I watched Ezekiel his job he taken this year his snaps were down he's not even coming out and starting just because they named him running back 1:00 they have not hardly used in the last three weeks matter of fact they should probably bench him because I don't understand why you wouldn't use him on that play that Rico fumble Jerry does not have a heavy hand in it and you and anybody else in here that wants to agree with you would be conspiracy therapist yes he is the owner and he is the GM so he does make personnel decisions but he does not tell Mike McCarthy and Mike Zimmer who should start and how many snaps they should play because I've already saw even with lamb lamb's hardly getting any snaps in the second-half he's being used as a decoy he's not getting hardly any targets most of his yards are early in the first quarter and some in the second quarter but if it was about money and it was about Jerry medley he would not be being ignored in the second-half so much go look at the second-half snaps for CD lamb he just paid that man big time money and he is not making them use them why because there's other guys on this team he's also has hopes for like jalen tolbert it's not about the money it's not about favoritism he allows the coaches to play whoever they want again I'm not saying he doesn't come in and ask the coaches why a player is not being utilized more or less but when it comes to game plans and game day he had zero input and I'm telling you that right now don't argue with me all day that is one of the oldest and busted narratives around here...

Not 1 EX player or coach has ever come in and stated that that's what's happening around there that Jerry's making decisions on active game day rosters and snap counts..

 

[Bobhaze]

We have been decimated with injuries on the defensive side of the ball. Partway through the Steeler game we lost another defensive end, however, even with the decimated defense, and the lack of playmakers on offense, I am seeing some encouraging signs from some of our young talent.

Tolbert, who was in camp every day looks to be developing quite a rapport with Dak Prescott. While there may or may not be friction between Dak and CD lamb, Dak & Tolbert have significantly more reps due to their work training camp. I am hopeful that Tolbert will continue to develop and become a great receiver for us.

On the defensive side of the ball, I was very impressed with our back ups and the job they did against the Steelers. Granted, the Steelers are not a great offense, but they have a top 10 running game, which was stuffed even with a lot of back ups in place for us. Again, I have high hopes that these are known younger players can develop into something special.

Great front offices Have a way of drafting bang for the buck players or through free agency that are very productive when their name is called. In the salary cap era, the best teams are the ones who find these diamonds in the rough players with a smaller cap.

If our backups are playing this well, I wonder what the season would have looked like if we hadn’t traded away a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and instead got a great young college running back.

We are about to play the lions and some other stronger teams, so we’ll see how these younger players continue to develop.

Anytime you can develop young players who are have cap friendly paydays, it gives your team a chance to have the delicate mix of highly paid, high performing vets and youngsters who can contribute a lot as role players…it gives you a chance to be good .

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

People are way too optimistic about this defense after playing NYG and Pitt.

QBs who can throw the ball more than 10 feet are going to have a field day if Dallas doesn't hit on blitzes.

 

[CCBoy]

I see this as yet another element that was added to the strengths of this team...

The addition of KJ Henry last week, having poached him from the Cincinnati Bengals' practice squad, was made to work in rotation with Kneeland, Chauncey Golston, Carl Lawson and Tyrus Wheat.

Henry was inactive against the Steelers to allow time for him to be ramped up by defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, but if there were any plans on allowing him one more week of inactivity, they're probably torched now. The young defensive end will be needed against the Lions, if only as insurance against another injury such as what was suffered against the Steelers.

The optimism side of the scale has to be rooted (aha) in what Golston, Lawson and Wheat were able to do against Justin Fields and the Steelers offense last week. Each of the three stepped up in eye-popping fashion in both the pass rush and in run defense against a mobile quarterback and impact running back in Najee Harris.

Lawson delivered three quarterback pressures while Golston and Wheat both had two, each had one-half sacks (1.5 combined) and seven combined run tackles with a couple of stuffed runs to round out their late night in the Steel City.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/marshawn-kneeland-to-miss-time-cowboys-de-options-explained

 

[gtb1943]

You'd be wrong Jerry doesn't have a heavy hand in it he may make hints or ask why a player didn't get as many snaps but I watched Ezekiel his job he taken this year his snaps were down he's not even coming out and starting just because they named him running back 1:00 they have not hardly used in the last three weeks matter of fact they should probably bench him because I don't understand why you wouldn't use him on that play that Rico fumble Jerry does not have a heavy hand in it and you and anybody else in here that wants to agree with you would be conspiracy therapist yes he is the owner and he is the GM so he does make personnel decisions but he does not tell Mike McCarthy and Mike Zimmer who should start and how many snaps they should play because I've already saw even with lamb lamb's hardly getting any snaps in the second-half he's being used as a decoy he's not getting hardly any targets most of his yards are early in the first quarter and some in the second quarter but if it was about money and it was about Jerry medley he would not be being ignored in the second-half so much go look at the second-half snaps for CD lamb he just paid that man big time money and he is not making them use them why because there's other guys on this team he's also has hopes for like jalen tolbert it's not about the money it's not about favoritism he allows the coaches to play whoever they want again I'm not saying he doesn't come in and ask the coaches why a player is not being utilized more or less but when it comes to game plans and game day he had zero input and I'm telling you that right now don't argue with me all day that is one of the oldest and busted narratives around here...

Not 1 EX player or coach has ever come in and stated that that's what's happening around there that Jerry's making decisions on active game day rosters and snap counts..

baghdad bob said things like this

 

[Bobhaze]

People are way too optimistic about this defense after playing NYG and Pitt.

QBs who can throw the ball more than 10 feet are going to have a field day if Dallas doesn't hit on blitzes.

Yeah this D will have their hands full with the lions Sunday. Will certainly tell us a lot about this team vs a quality opponent.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Yeah this D will have their hands full with the lions Sunday. Will certainly tell us a lot about this team vs a quality opponent.

This is true but Goff has 5TDs and 4 INTs, so he hasn't exactly lit things up. However, he has a pair of RBs AND WRs on paces for 1000 yard seasons each.
As for OP take regarding the season.......I'm lowering my expectations and take ONE game at a time until we are out of playoff contention.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/det/detroit-lions

 

[rambo2]

Anytime you can develop young players who are have cap friendly paydays, it gives your team a chance to have the delicate mix of highly paid, high performing vets and youngsters who can contribute a lot as role players…it gives you a chance to be good .

The future looks good.

 

[rambo2]

Yeah this D will have their hands full with the lions Sunday. Will certainly tell us a lot about this team vs a quality opponent.

I can't wait to see what you come up with after this one.

 

[ArtClink]

Yeah this D will have their hands full with the lions Sunday. Will certainly tell us a lot about this team vs a quality opponent.

"So you're sayin' there's still a chance!"