Seeing the color yellow

[Ranching]

If you're seeing the color yellow, stop pissing in the snow.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Take the hit now. Kick Dak out and not sign anybody, I don't care. Trade whatever capital we have for picks.

Sorry but there are ways. You just have to decide that you've had enough. Whether they see it that way is a different story but don't give me the "Jerry has options" tune. That's not even true from a neutral standpoint. The 90s success started with a one win season. And they had the balls to pull through. After firing a legendary coach.

Sorry but this is nothing compared to that. Jerry just has lost all his guts.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think the I hate Dak threads are far worse everyday. I'm neutral. Dak stays I'm fine. He goes-I'm fine. I just want to win a SB. I'm just trying to get guys to see whatever Dallas does. Extending Dak "team cap wise" is the most plausible Financially. And money runs the world and the NFL.... it's going to be a very painful bandaide pull coming-either way.

I understand that. I am about the same.

Though I prefer he be gone, take the cap hit now. Give fans the excitement of something, and possibly better. Otherwise if extended, it could very well be 5 years of the same stuff. Then be in the same situation with a big cap it, again.

However, if he does stay, and since not a one of us can do anything about it. Then I will support him, as I did with all our past QB's. Does not mean I may like it, but I will not allow it to consume me either. I have more important things to do and want to do.
Heck, I did not like Quincey at QB. but I rooted for him, as I root for the team.

 

[IceStar-D7]

The cap hit to cut/trade Dak isn't nothing, but it's likely to be around the same cost ($24m) for 2024 as an extension would be. If the Cowboys want to get rid of Dak they can pretty easily, the question becomes do they actually want to move on.

Even if the cap hit is that low of which I think it's higher. You still are basically rebuilding. So if that's the case. You might as well start the whole rebuilding process. CeeDee has been with Dak for years and still get's confused. Good luck with Lance or any other lower type q.b. You really sit down and get into the options. There is no good one...

 

[Ranching]

Take the hit now. Kick Dak out and not sign anybody, I don't care. Trade whatever capital we have for picks.

Sorry but there are ways. You just have to decide that you've had enough. Whether they see it that way is a different story but don't give me the "Jerry has options" tune. That's not even true from a neutral standpoint. The 90s success started with a one win season. And they had the balls to pull through. After firing a legendary coach.

Sorry but this is nothing compared to that. Jerry just has lost all his guts.

Jerry is to old to blow it up....I can't see him doing it. We need a staff that won't baby the players. We also need a true QB coach that will be in Dak's ear the entire game and not let him sit on the bench with that deer in the headlights look. MM is a head coach and needs to be involved in the entire game, he can't be on the bench with Dak.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Even if the cap hit is that low of which I think it's higher. You still are basically rebuilding. So if that's the case. You might as well start the whole rebuilding process. CeeDee has been with Dak for years and still get's confused. Good luck with Lance or any other lower type q.b. You really sit down and get into the options. There is no good one...

Indeed. You can't start a half arsed rebuilding process. It's either now or not at all in the foreseeable future.

I'm a little bit more critical of Dak than you two, but I can absolutely comprehend where you're coming from. I won't exactly root for the guy until the play offs but I would accept him as our QB. BUT don't give me that "we have a good team" after regular season wins crap. They don't mean **** anymore. We know this team can reach the play offs. But that could have been achieved with Cooper Rush. It's ALL about the playoffs and nothing else. Only in a complete rebuilding process I would celebrate each regular season win.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Even if the cap hit is that low of which I think it's higher. You still are basically rebuilding. So if that's the case. You might as well start the whole rebuilding process. CeeDee has been with Dak for years and still get's confused. Good luck with Lance or any other lower type q.b. You really sit down and get into the options. There is no good one...

Yeah that was a typo it should be $25M the Cowboys would be on the hook for in 2024 if the cut/trade Dak. It really just depends on what you think you have in Lance. He's now spent a full season with the Cowboys, if they feel he can turn into something then you aren't really rebuilding. Now they may have seen him in practice for the last 20 weeks and regret making the trade to begin with IDK. To start the season though we all would have said that guys like Jordan Love and CJ Stroud were lesser QBs too. Ultimately they're both still playing and look like the future of the NFL. You also have retreads like Goff and Mayfield still alive in the playoffs.

People get freaked out by the idea of moving on from a QB, however in 2024 we are seeing that it's easier than ever to find a replacement QB. I don't know if the Cowboys get rid of Dak, but I also dont think moving on from the guy means an automatic rebuild either.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Jerry is to old to blow it up....I can't see him doing it. We need a staff that won't baby the players. We also need a true QB coach that will be in Dak's ear the entire game and not let him sit on the bench with that deer in the headlights look. MM is a head coach and needs to be involved in the entire game, he can't be on the bench with Dak.

Nice post!!! Nobody has hit it like you just did. I been saying and wondering after all these years why hasn't Jerry gone out and got a Quarterback Whisperer to help Dak. When Kitna was here .IMHO...He helped Dak out a ton. Dak cannot read zones at times...Check out all the teams we lost to this year. Tough defenses that employ zones and different coverages. Dak destroys man to man...

 

[JustChip]

You guys know how much I hate Jerry as a GM. But in this instant I feel for him. No good options available. Even though he caused this scenario for himself.

I don’t hate Jerry. He treated me fairly in the move from Texas Stadium to AT&T. But I am disgusted with him as a GM and certainly don’t feel sorry for him. I can’t change the culture & decisions, only he can. And you’re spot on that it’s of his own making.

 

[Streifenkarl]

Switching over to Lance without a rebuild changes nothing even if he develops as hoped. They need to change the culture. So coaches, coordinators and key players out. If a rebuild is an option.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Indeed. You can't start a half arsed rebuilding process. It's either now or not at all in the foreseeable future.

I'm a little bit more critical of Dak than you two, but I can absolutely comprehend where you're coming from. I won't exactly root for the guy until the play offs but I would accept him as our QB. BUT don't give me that "we have a good team" after regular season wins crap. They don't mean **** anymore. We know this team can reach the play offs. But that could have been achieved with Cooper Rush. It's ALL about the playoffs and nothing else. Only in a complete rebuilding process I would celebrate each regular season win.

All due respect... Cooper Rush will get you 500.....maybe....If this were true Dak would of been gone. Money wise alone....

 

[MikeT22]

Jerry said he'd give nearly his life for a Super Bowl.

Don’t tease me

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Not getting into politics but it's like kicking the deficit down the street every year. Sooner or later the bill is going to come due. As you well said. The hit is coming. Just at what level...

Sometimes its better to take the hit sooner rather than later.

 

[thunderpimp91]

All due respect... Cooper Rush will get you 500.....maybe....

Honest question, how many games do you think the Cowboys would have won with Rush at QB this year? I just don't see how many games are really different. They almost certainly lose the Seattle game without Dak as he played lights out and the Detroit & Charger games are probably up in the air.... other than that I don't really see any wins on the schedule I think would have been different with Rush in the game. Most of the Cowboys wins were total blowouts with the defense giving up 20 or fewer points in 11 of those wins. 7 of those wins they gave up 13 or fewer points.

 

[Ranching]

Nice post!!! Nobody has hit it like you just did. I been saying and wondering after all these years why hasn't Jerry gone out and got a Quarterback Whisperer to help Dak. When Kitna was here .IMHO...He helped Dak out a ton. Dak cannot read zones at times...Check out all the teams we lost to this year. Tough defenses that employ zones and different coverages. Dak destroys man to man...

Kitna and Mark Sanchez before him. If he stays, he would benefit greatly from a QB whisperer. I don't get why they don't see.it.

 

[Streifenkarl]

All due respect... Cooper Rush will get you 500.....maybe....If this were true Dak would of been gone. Money wise alone....

Cooper Rush gave us 4-1 wins in a season against competent teams. So I do think this team would still finish above .500 with him. Not 12-5 of course, but reach the playoffs. And since the result in post season couldn't be any worse we wouldn't lose a thing.

(By the way, I don't think Rush is as good as Dak. But If we are mediocre with Rush and a little bit above mediocrity with Dak it doesn't make a difference in the end)

 

[Creeper]

Bs, they could release Dak now and absorb the hit.

It's also entirely possible they could find a trade partner with an extension in mind.

It's a matter I'd like our next coach to weight in on, unfortunately I don't believe MM is going anywhere.

I've been through this a few times already. Yes, they can cut him. They can cut him right now and get a $2.4 million CAP save. And he is off the books next year. It would be a clean slate going into 2025.

But, it also means taking $59 million in dead money! That means The Cowboys CAP for paying/signing players will be at least $59 million less than the announced CAP. That's almost 25%! And it doesn't include over $7 million in other dead money from players they cut in 2023. So let's say the CAP is announced at the expected $242 million. The Cowboys would have $176 million to spend on players. Their current CAP liabilities are over $264 million for 2024. Of course they can find room by extending CeeDee and some of the older players but that will get them under the CAP and very little more. Look at the list of Cowboys free agents. Armstrong, Fowler, Gilmore, Lewis, Gallimore, Hankins, Biadasz, and more. These are players that made big contributions. You have to find replacements for them. And, to make things worse, Jerry traded away his 4th, 5th, and 6th round draft picks already. Even if he hits on his 1st 3 picks, depth will still be a major problem in Dallas. AND, they will not have a starting QB they know is capable of helping this team.

If you think we ca take that much in dead money and be anything but a basement dwelling team, put down that crack pipe.

Again, It can be done but you have to accept the team will struggle badly for a year or two - or indefinitely.

Of course you can make Dak a June 1 cut and save about $32 million which will give them lots of CAP room, but that will be after June 1 when free agency is over. And they still won't have a QB. The Cowboys need to get under the CAP and sign their own free agents well before June 1.

I can make an argument for cutting Dak and taking the hit in 2024. They can extend CeeDee this year, and Micah next when Dak is off the books. They can pray Lance improves, or they can draft a QB. Either way, I think Dallas will be a sub-.500 team for at least the next 2 years. And if Lance isn't the answer it may take a lot longer. It's a risk that some say they are willing to take. Maybe getting a top 3 or 4 draft pick is the only way to fix this team. My gut tells me when the Cowboys are losing more than they are winning people will not be sitting back relaxing because the team is rebuilding. They will be criticizing other players, draft picks, the new QB, the new coaches, Jerry, the ball boy, the cheerleaders, whoever because like all fans they want to win and losing sucks. I know this because we have been there before when Troy Aikman retired. It took years and a bunch of awful QBs before we found Romo which was lucky. I remember being on the message boards and reading fans complaining about how bad the team was and being the doormats of the rest of the league. I don't think fans have changed. You want that? with no promise of things getting better for years?

And what if the culture is the real problem and not just Dak? All that turmoil and nothing will change. And keep in mind, this only addresses DAk. That pathetic excuse for a defense we saw Sunday has not even been discussed yet.

In my opinion, the Cowboys should extend Dak, not because I love him but because it is really the only option that keeps them on a winning path, but at the same time continue to develop Lance, or any other QB they can find to take over for Dak. But Dak's new deal has to allow Dallas to trade him. And it has to be a fair price. If he asks for $55 -$60 million, I am out on him. I bite the bullet on the next few seasons and move on. Dak is never going to lift his team so we need a team to lift him and that is going to cost money. If Dak is willing to take a team friendly deal, then I get to work building a defense that can stop the run. We have the CBs to play the pass already. I would start reworking the OL and I would get a true #2 WR. Of course we need RBs although I think with a better offensive line, we can get away with any number of RB around the league of in the draft.

I said after last season, the Cowboys needed to build the roster to run the football and stop the run on defense. They did neither, and here was are again. So my suggestion has not changed. The Cowboys have to make the QB less of a part of the offense. I would recommend this for every team simply because QB contracts are increasing to the point where they take too much CAP room and a team becomes too dependent on them .

 

[IceBowler]

Hypothetical. Dak is not leaving Dallas by saying ok...I 'll leave. Pipe dream. Dallas is not going into next season taking a 60 million dollar cap hit. I doubt you could even field a team with that kind of hit coming from one player. This isn't Madden here. Jerry has no financial option but to extend Dak's contract. Fans don't want to hear it but it's Jerry's only move.

Agreed. Business is business. So, extend Dak for say, the next 60 years, bring in a young guy .. whoever, and tell DAK he's the backup. Betcha he opts outta here against that "No Trade" clause ..
Can't hurt to try.

 

[CWR]

I've been through this a few times already. Yes, they can cut him. They can cut him right now and get a $2.4 million CAP save. And he is off the books next year. It would be a clean slate going into 2025.

But, it also means taking $59 million in dead money! That means The Cowboys CAP for paying/signing players will be at least $59 million less than the announced CAP. That's almost 25%! And it doesn't include over $7 million in other dead money from players they cut in 2023. So let's say the CAP is announced at the expected $242 million. The Cowboys would have $176 million to spend on players. Their current CAP liabilities are over $264 million for 2024. Of course they can find room by extending CeeDee and some of the older players but that will get them under the CAP and very little more. Look at the list of Cowboys free agents. Armstrong, Fowler, Gilmore, Lewis, Gallimore, Hankins, Biadasz, and more. These are players that made big contributions. You have to find replacements for them. And, to make things worse, Jerry traded away his 4th, 5th, and 6th round draft picks already. Even if he hits on his 1st 3 picks, depth will still be a major problem in Dallas. AND, they will not have a starting QB they know is capable of helping this team.

If you think we ca take that much in dead money and be anything but a basement dwelling team, put down that crack pipe.

Again, It can be done but you have to accept the team will struggle badly for a year or two - or indefinitely.

Of course you can make Dak a June 1 cut and save about $32 million which will give them lots of CAP room, but that will be after June 1 when free agency is over. And they still won't have a QB. The Cowboys need to get under the CAP and sign their own free agents well before June 1.

I can make an argument for cutting Dak and taking the hit in 2024. They can extend CeeDee this year, and Micah next when Dak is off the books. They can pray Lance improves, or they can draft a QB. Either way, I think Dallas will be a sub-.500 team for at least the next 2 years. And if Lance isn't the answer it may take a lot longer. It's a risk that some say they are willing to take. Maybe getting a top 3 or 4 draft pick is the only way to fix this team. My gut tells me when the Cowboys are losing more than they are winning people will not be sitting back relaxing because the team is rebuilding. They will be criticizing other players, draft picks, the new QB, the new coaches, Jerry, the ball boy, the cheerleaders, whoever because like all fans they want to win and losing sucks. I know this because we have been there before when Troy Aikman retired. It took years and a bunch of awful QBs before we found Romo which was lucky. I remember being on the message boards and reading fans complaining about how bad the team was and being the doormats of the rest of the league. I don't think fans have changed. You want that? with no promise of things getting better for years?

And what if the culture is the real problem and not just Dak? All that turmoil and nothing will change. And keep in mind, this only addresses DAk. That pathetic excuse for a defense we saw Sunday has not even been discussed yet.

In my opinion, the Cowboys should extend Dak, not because I love him but because it is really the only option that keeps them on a winning path, but at the same time continue to develop Lance, or any other QB they can find to take over for Dak. But Dak's new deal has to allow Dallas to trade him. And it has to be a fair price. If he asks for $55 -$60 million, I am out on him. I bite the bullet on the next few seasons and move on. Dak is never going to lift his team so we need a team to lift him and that is going to cost money. If Dak is willing to take a team friendly deal, then I get to work building a defense that can stop the run. We have the CBs to play the pass already. I would start reworking the OL and I would get a true #2 WR. Of course we need RBs although I think with a better offensive line, we can get away with any number of RB around the league of in the draft.

I said after last season, the Cowboys needed to build the roster to run the football and stop the run on defense. They did neither, and here was are again. So my suggestion has not changed. The Cowboys have to make the QB less of a part of the offense. I would recommend this for every team simply because QB contracts are increasing to the point where they take too much CAP room and a team becomes too dependent on them .

I'm aware of his cap situation and you would have to make him a June 1st cut. They'd then have to run with Lance and/or draft pick. It's that or you re-sign him.

My preference would be to go the direction of our NON EXISTENT new head coach.

Since it looks more and more like our delusional FO is going to bring everyone back this is all moot.

Dak will be re-upped. Bank on it. We're also in agreement with what they should do. Unfortunately what i expect is them to double down. In that case I'd prefer a complete blow up, knowing we are going to suck for a couple years. We will NEVER have a better path than this year and they couldn't get it done. I'd be naive to think tinkering here and there accomplishes anything more.