Semi-Stupid Question

[peplaw06]

They were running back through the plays of the week on Sportscenter this morning, and replayed the Harrison INT return at the end of the first half. I saw Fitzgerald run into Antrel Rolle on the sideline and slow down for the first time, though so many had mentioned it here.

And I was just wondering, what actually would have happened if someone on the Cardinals sideline say jumped out there and tackled Harrison? No time on the clock, defensive penalty, I guess Pittsburgh would have got a FG try. Maybe the guy gets thrown out. The coach comes out and says his player was despicable, yells at him for a while.

But if everything played out exactly the same, except that Arizona ended up winning, what would have happened to that guy? I'm sure it would have been worth it. Just a crazy thought I had.... any thoughts?

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

hmmm, the city of Pittsburgh might burn the guys house down.

Hed be a hero in Arizona, but Zona only has 14 fans compared to the monster fan base Pittsburgh has. hed be in trouble. ha

 

[Shake_Tiller]

They were running back through the plays of the week on Sportscenter this morning, and replayed the Harrison INT return at the end of the first half. I saw Fitzgerald run into Antrel Rolle on the sideline and slow down for the first time, though so many had mentioned it here.

And I was just wondering, what actually would have happened if someone on the Cardinals sideline say jumped out there and tackled Harrison? No time on the clock, defensive penalty, I guess Pittsburgh would have got a FG try. Maybe the guy gets thrown out. The coach comes out and says his player was despicable, yells at him for a while.

But if everything played out exactly the same, except that Arizona ended up winning, what would have happened to that guy? I'm sure it would have been worth it. Just a crazy thought I had.... any thoughts?

I believe it would have been the same as when the Alabama player tackled the Rice running back (Dickie Moegel?) on his way to a touchdown in the Cotton Bowl game. The officials would have awarded Pittsburgh the TD, the player who made the tackle would have been ejected and probably suspended for at least a year, and not much else would have changed.

 

[Future]

I don't think they would have given him the TD b/c there were Zona players near him pretty much the whole time.

 

[BigBoy63]

They were running back through the plays of the week on Sportscenter this morning, and replayed the Harrison INT return at the end of the first half. I saw Fitzgerald run into Antrel Rolle on the sideline and slow down for the first time, though so many had mentioned it here.

And I was just wondering, what actually would have happened if someone on the Cardinals sideline say jumped out there and tackled Harrison? No time on the clock, defensive penalty, I guess Pittsburgh would have got a FG try. Maybe the guy gets thrown out. The coach comes out and says his player was despicable, yells at him for a while.

But if everything played out exactly the same, except that Arizona ended up winning, what would have happened to that guy? I'm sure it would have been worth it. Just a crazy thought I had.... any thoughts?

He would have been suspended, then released by the cardinals, then after a little while there would be a breaking news update on sportscenter saying the player would be wearinng a star in the following season...:laugh2:

I jus had to do it.

 

[silver]

the are no semi-stupid questions. only semi-stupid people.

 

[peplaw06]

the are no semi-stupid questions. only semi-stupid people.

:laugh2: that's me

 

[dwmyers]

I believe it would have been the same as when the Alabama player tackled the Rice running back (Dickie Moegel?) on his way to a touchdown in the Cotton Bowl game. The officials would have awarded Pittsburgh the TD, the player who made the tackle would have been ejected and probably suspended for at least a year, and not much else would have changed.

You almost got it right. His name was Dick Meagle. And I had the pleasure of meeting him when I was at Rice. I'm a shade under 6' and I was taller than he was. That's probably the only physical advantage I had over Dick, despite the difference in ages.

David.

Update: actually we're both right. Dick was known as Dickie Moegle during his playing days, but people mispronounced his name. He had it changed to Maegle so that people could pronounce it properly. For more see the "Dicky Maegle" article in the Wikipedia.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The player probably would have been suspended indefiently by Goddell and the refs probably would have given Pitt the TD.


Even if Pitt didnt get the TD, there was no way in hell the refs were going to let Zona win. Thus, Zona would have gotten raped even worse than they actually did in the second half.

The refs were going to make sure Rooney won another ring. I believe this 100% that the Steelers are "protected" by the NFL.

 

[peplaw06]

I don't think they would have given him the TD b/c there were Zona players near him pretty much the whole time.

That's what I thought initially too. They couldn't have awarded him a TD because there's no guarantee he scores there, although he did have a convoy of blockers with him.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Steelers get 14 points and Fitzgerald and Darnell Dockett ejected

 

[dcfanatic]

The player probably would have been suspended indefiently by Goddell and the refs probably would have given Pitt the TD.


Even if Pitt didnt get the TD, there was no way in hell the refs were going to let Zona win. Thus, Zona would have gotten raped even worse than they actually did in the second half.

The refs were going to make sure Rooney won another ring. I believe this 100% that the Steelers are "protected" by the NFL.

Why?

What good would it do?

The players are still playing football on the field.

And you don't think an official would have come forward by now to say he was pushed into doing some stuff to help a team win a game?

The officials aren't millionaires.

But one book deal would change all that in a heartbeat.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Why?

What good would it do?

The players are still playing football on the field.

And you don't think an official would have come forward by now to say he was pushed into doing some stuff to help a team win a game?

The officials aren't millionaires.

But one book deal would change all that in a heartbeat.

You know that irrational theories don't need an actual, sound, reasoning and base. People just come up with stupid things all the time to say cause they're pissed off that someone they don't like won something so they have to try and take it away from them with BS and crying.

I'm sure they love it when Dallas has won championships when fans of other teams say, "Well they must be cheating in some way for Dallas."

Please.


As for the actual question on the thread I'm actually pretty interested to know exactly what they'd do in that situation. I haven't the faintest clue what would happen to said player, of to the play in question, but it's an interesting thing to think about. I wonder if there is anyway we could find out what the official ruling would be in a situation like that.

 

[AdamJT13]

To answer the question in the original post, it would fall under Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3: Palpably Unfair Act (Player) -- "A player or substitute shall not interfere with play by any act which is palpably unfair. Penalty: For a palpably unfair act: Offender may be disqualified. The Referee, after consulting his crew, enforces any such distance penalty as they consider equitable and irrespective of any other specified code penalty. The Referee could award a score."

So, the refs probably would have awarded the touchdown and disqualified the player who did it.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

To answer the question in the original post, it would fall under Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3: Palpably Unfair Act (Player) -- "A player or substitute shall not interfere with play by any act which is palpably unfair. Penalty: For a palpably unfair act: Offender may be disqualified. The Referee, after consulting his crew, enforces any such distance penalty as they consider equitable and irrespective of any other specified code penalty. The Referee could award a score."

So, the refs probably would have awarded the touchdown and disqualified the player who did it.

Yeah but what if the player had made it look kind of accidental and got in the way just enough to stop the TD?

Strictly as a hypothetical, it seems to me that might work the first time or two until the refs caught on and started handing out very tough penalties as a deterrent.

 

[jazzcat22]

I would not have won $500 in the football pool if that happened.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yeah but what if the player had made it look kind of accidental and got in the way just enough to stop the TD?

Strictly as a hypothetical, it seems to me that might work the first time or two until the refs caught on and started handing out very tough penalties as a deterrent.

My guess is they'd still award the touchdown but maybe not disqualify the player.

I'm not sure how they'd make it look like they "accidentally" went onto the field and disrupted the play, though.

 

[hairic]

My guess is they'd still award the touchdown but maybe not disqualify the player.

I'm not sure how they'd make it look like they "accidentally" went onto the field and disrupted the play, though.

Imagine Fitzgerald ran into an elderly assistant coach on the sideline and turned him into a projectile launched on the field. Accident and injury = referee sympathy.

 

[Hostile]

To answer the question in the original post, it would fall under Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3: Palpably Unfair Act (Player) -- "A player or substitute shall not interfere with play by any act which is palpably unfair. Penalty: For a palpably unfair act: Offender may be disqualified. The Referee, after consulting his crew, enforces any such distance penalty as they consider equitable and irrespective of any other specified code penalty. The Referee could award a score."

So, the refs probably would have awarded the touchdown and disqualified the player who did it.

The question I have about that is was the TD ever certain or could the refs believe he might have eventually been tackled? He did break several tackles even the last few yards. I'm not sure they would give them the TD. Maybe.

At the very least this question is an interesting loophole. If he got tackled on say the 35 yard line, they could tack on the 15 yards for sure. But is there any guarantee Harrison was going to score?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

The question I have about that is was the TD ever certain or could the refs believe he might have eventually been tackled? He did break several tackles even the last few yards. I'm not sure they would give them the TD. Maybe.

At the very least this question is an interesting loophole. If he got tackled on say the 35 yard line, they could tack on the 15 yards for sure. But is there any guarantee Harrison was going to score?

It was entirely uncertain whether he would score, IMO. But the key is the refs would likelyknow and remember the rule and its implications.