Shanahan comment about Romo

[5Stars]

In the eyes of the Romo lovers, he's never thrown an interception, he's never been responsible for a loss. People who call themselves football smart, just can't seem to understand that when you use the term, TEAM GAME, then you have to exclude his stats. Because a team game doesn't personalize a single person's stats. All stats are team oriented. People LOVE saying team sport yet turn around and say, Romo, Romo, Romo. Doesn't sound like they are talking about the team, seems like they are praising one person. And if he's carrying the team, why couldn't he carry this team to the Super Bowl? Why can't he carry this team to the playoffs every year? And no matter what team we surround him with, HE is still here. And no matter who plays around him, it's not enough. He needs an All-Star defense, and All-star running back, and 5 All-Stars across the line in order to succeed. Meanwhile, other QBs find a way with what they have.

Every year Romo lovers has a new excuse. 1 year it was Owens, then it was Flozell, then it was Newman, and Ellis, Gurode, Free, and Pack Man, Bennett, and Wade Phillips, and the offensive line, then the defense, now the running back. It's always something with this guy. And his fans look for that 1 or 2 games a year where he's unstoppable, which all QBs go through at some point during a season, and when he has that type of game, his lovers lose their mind. What is mind boggling is people who always act as if it's NEVER Romo's fault. This makes people look silly. He had an amazing game, but his brain won't allow him to come through when we need him and just simply finish games. He just doesn't have the stomach for big moments. It's been proven time and time and time again. And all the lovers want to do is look at what others did. There are some guys on this board, and I know exactly who they are, these people will trash everyone on the team but Romo. If Romo threw 5 interceptions in a row with no QB pressures and receivers wide open, they would find a way to blame something else. Loyalty doesn't mean you have to be stupid.

Manning has NO defense, but he finds a way. If you score 48, you should win right? Except Manning needed 51 so that's what he got, or Romo gave him.The point is, neither defense was going to help the other side, so it was up to both QBs to simply make plays without stupid mistakes, and he almost ALWAYS fails.. He didn't use his pathetic defense as to why he couldn't win, but the Romo lovers do this. What's sad is, I've written this same post every year for 4 or 5 years, and I've mentioned 5 years ago exactly what I'm saying today. How did I know the future? I didn't, but what I did know back then was that all Romo was going to do is what Jerry does to fans every year. He gets them excited about something and everyone's on board, only to fail at the end of the season. Jerry and Romo are the same. Jerry = All talk no action. Romo = all stats no championships.

You hate him, huh?

lol

 

[Red Dragon]

So who gets the blame for Denver's loss in the playoffs? The safety who gave up the game tying TD or the 4 time MVP QB who threw back across his body for the pick?

I hate to say both, but both bear the blame, although I'd give about 2/3 the blame to the safety and 1/3 to the QB in that situation. It does need to be pointed out though that that long touchdown to Jacoby Jones took place on a third down, not fourth down, meaning that even if Rahim Moore had batted the ball down, the Ravens would still have at least one more last chance.

 

[DFWJC]

You hate him, huh?

lol

Lol

Pretty baffling how someone can think to say something is a team game then you must throw out stats altogether.
It is not remotely an either/or proposition.

I will say this, when a player makes a mistake, he should be held accountable to some degree.
Just not 10x what he should be and with specific isolated selectivity, like the haters choose to do.

 

[car351]

I hate to say both, but both bear the blame, although I'd give about 2/3 the blame to the safety and 1/3 to the QB in that situation. It does need to be pointed out though that that long touchdown to Jacoby Jones took place on a third down, not fourth down, meaning that even if Rahim Moore had batted the ball down, the Ravens would still have at least one more last chance.

I dunno, I guess that's where I would hafta respectfully disagree I guess. See, I remember the blown opportunities by QBs in their moment as much as their gaudy career stats. Remember Favre's across his body pick to the Saints costing Minny another Superbowl chance? What about the '07 NFC championship out pass pick at Green Bay propelling the Gment to their '07 SB appearance? Peyton's SB pick six to Porter against the Saints?. I mean, to me, and I totally understand the whole TEAM concept thing, but the QB of a team touches the ball with every single snap of the offense. He should bear responsibility if his decision and/or throw costs the outcome of a game and this is REGARDLESS of whether 'he should have been in that predicament' to begin with. If he has the ball last, don't throw a pick to lose it, that's all.

 

[5Stars]

I dunno, I guess that's where I would hafta respectfully disagree I guess. See, I remember the blown opportunities by QBs in their moment as much as their gaudy career stats. Remember Favre's across his body pick to the Saints costing Minny another Superbowl chance? What about the '07 NFC championship out pass pick at Green Bay propelling the Gment to their '07 SB appearance? Peyton's SB pick six to Porter against the Saints?. I mean, to me, and I totally understand the whole TEAM concept thing, but the QB of a team touches the ball with every single snap of the offense. He should bear responsibility if his decision and/or throw costs the outcome of a game and this is REGARDLESS of whether 'he should have been in that predicament' to begin with. If he has the ball last, don't throw a pick to lose it, that's all.

I totally agree with you. Romo is part of the team. The Cowboys lost the game. But, that is how the ball bounces...

That's what football is all about.

 

[Red Dragon]

I dunno, I guess that's where I would hafta respectfully disagree I guess. See, I remember the blown opportunities by QBs in their moment as much as their gaudy career stats. Remember Favre's across his body pick to the Saints costing Minny another Superbowl chance? What about the '07 NFC championship out pass pick at Green Bay propelling the Gment to their '07 SB appearance? Peyton's SB pick six to Porter against the Saints?. I mean, to me, and I totally understand the whole TEAM concept thing, but the QB of a team touches the ball with every single snap of the offense. He should bear responsibility if his decision and/or throw costs the outcome of a game and this is REGARDLESS of whether 'he should have been in that predicament' to begin with. If he has the ball last, don't throw a pick to lose it, that's all.

Peyton Manning did win the game before Rahim Moore lost it, though, if that makes sense. He gave the Broncos a 35-28 lead that by all accounts should have been the final score.

 

[car351]

Peyton Manning did win the game before Rahim Moore lost it, though, if that makes sense. He gave the Broncos a 35-28 lead that by all accounts should have been the final score.

That's where our fundamental difference of opinion lies. Maybe the Broncos should have closed it out. My point is, the game went to overtime and Denver had the ball. Peyton is in control. He had the outcome of the game in his hands no matter if he should no have been in that situation. He had another opportunity. To throw back across your body, breaking every fundamental rule of quarterbacking 101, and as a 4 time MVP no less, is practically inexcusable. He had the ball last.

 

[KJJ]

What is your point about Romo being off-balance and surrounded by defenders if you don't think that had any effect on either the direction or velocity of the pass, KJJ? And if it did affect the direction and/or velocity of the pass, what difference does it make where or when the ball arrived?

My point is he made a bad decision by not only forcing the ball into coverage he went to the wrong receiver. Do you honestly believe going to a rookie TE who had only 4 receptions all season and was surrounded by defenders was the receiver to target in such a critical situation? Romo being off balance probably had an affect on the accuracy of the throw but not the velocity. The more I look at the play the more I'm convinced that pass never had a chance to be completed to Escobar even had Romo not been stepped on.

 

[KJJ]

Nope, merely an extension of what you've been arguing.

You clearly don't know what I'm arguing or you wouldn't be asking questions that don't make any sense.

 

[birdwells1]

That's where our fundamental difference of opinion lies. Maybe the Broncos should have closed it out. My point is, the game went to overtime and Denver had the ball. Peyton is in control. He had the outcome of the game in his hands no matter if he should no have been in that situation. He had another opportunity. To throw back across your body, breaking every fundamental rule of quarterbacking 101, and as a 4 time MVP no less, is practically inexcusable. He had the ball last.

Yeah imo Peyton came up small in the moment last year but thats not the first time, that's why he's considered the best regular season qb in nfl history.

 

[percyhoward]

My point is he made a bad decision by not only forcing the ball into coverage he went to the wrong receiver. Do you honestly believe going to a rookie TE who had only 4 receptions all season and was surrounded by defenders was the receiver to target in such a critical situation? Romo being off balance probably had an affect on the accuracy of the throw but not the velocity. The more I look at the play the more I'm convinced that pass never had a chance to be completed to Escobar even had Romo not been stepped on.

If throwing to a receiver who has a defender chasing him on a crossing route, and no other defenders within 7 yards, is forcing the ball into coverage, then NFL quarterbacks "force the ball into coverage" and complete the pass on a regular basis.

 

[Kevinicus]

You clearly don't know what I'm arguing or you wouldn't be asking questions that don't make any sense.

You're right it doesn't make sense, but is what you've been saying, I just applied it to the season as opposed to a game.

 

[Kevinicus]

My point is he made a bad decision by not only forcing the ball into coverage he went to the wrong receiver. Do you honestly believe going to a rookie TE who had only 4 receptions all season and was surrounded by defenders was the receiver to target in such a critical situation? Romo being off balance probably had an affect on the accuracy of the throw but not the velocity. The more I look at the play the more I'm convinced that pass never had a chance to be completed to Escobar even had Romo not been stepped on.

Not the velocity? To quote John Little, "You're bloody lost mate."

 

[KJJ]

If throwing to a receiver who has a defender chasing him on a crossing route, and no other defenders within 7 yards, is forcing the ball into coverage, then NFL quarterbacks "force the ball into coverage" and complete the pass on a regular basis.

Escobar was surround by 3 defenders Romo made a bad decision. Answer the question would you have targeted a rookie TE who's only had 4 catches all season in a critical situation like that?

 

[KJJ]

Not the velocity? To quote John Little, "You're bloody lost mate."

The velocity had nothing to do with the int it was a bad decision. The defender who picked off the ball was already in position to make the play just prior to Romo releasing the pass. That play had disaster written all over it.

 

[KJJ]

You're right it doesn't make sense, but is what you've been saying, I just applied it to the season as opposed to a game.

It's your interpretation that isn't making any sense. You're applying your own spin.

 

[KJJ]

If throwing to a receiver who has a defender chasing him on a crossing route, and no other defenders within 7 yards, is forcing the ball into coverage, then NFL quarterbacks "force the ball into coverage" and complete the pass on a regular basis.

Even Garrett said Romo shouldn't have targeted Escobar on the play.

But coach Jason Garrett did not second-guess the decision.

He was direct and said Romo should not have targeted a pass to rookie tight end Gavin Escobar, instead, he should have dumped a pass off to running back DeMarco Murray who was running underneath.


http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...ett-romo-should-have-thrown-to-demarco-murray

 

[TimHortons]

Yeah I agree, I suspect that Romo suffers from LeBron James disease. The minute that there is an expectancy for him to be great in big moments he shrinks. I think he can overcome this, he just need to be in a big game and have something good happen in that moment. He plays too tight and thinks too much so he doesn't play like the Romo we're accustomed to seeing.

Apperantly you missed the last 2 NBA Championships

 

[birdwells1]

Apperantly you missed the last 2 NBA Championships

He was never placed in the "moment" against the Thunder, the Heat was never threatened so that allowed LeBron to be LeBron, kinda like Romo against Philly in the playoffs.
Against the Spurs, the monkey was now off his back so he played like LeBron, compare that guy to the guy that played against the Mavericks and it's night and day. Thats what I mean when I said that Romo needs something good to happen for him , ala LeBron hitting the 2 free throws to clinch game 2 against the Thunder.

Those free throws were huge for his confidence and shut up a lot of naysayers.

 

[Kevinicus]

The velocity had nothing to do with the int it was a bad decision. The defender who picked off the ball was already in position to make the play just prior to Romo releasing the pass. That play had disaster written all over it.

wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Even ESPN showed how a small amount of extra velocity would have put the ball through to Escobar. The defender was in position only if you think having to dive to catch up to an Escobar that is reaching back behind him at an underthrown ball (and a bad route) is in position. How can you argue a play if you don't even know what happened?