Sharrif floyd?

[Cowboy_Ace]

I know this topic has been beaten to death, but I think that he is really talented nd has uber potential. That said I've been I huge gators fan so I've watched him alot. He's powerful nd quick but he's more of a run stopper. Yes I was upset we didn't draft him, but that may just be the homer in me... Thooo saying all that the guy on the gators we should keep in eye on for next yrs draft is dominique easley.

His sophomore yr he didn't have the stats but he was in the backfield so quick I was amazed, but he injured his knee late in the year. He played end mostly this yr but I expect him to have a huge yr this upcoming yr. if he regains his quickness from his sophomore yr I think he'd be perfect for the kiffin def.


I know waaaayyyy too early to be thinking of the draft but I just wanted to throw something out there in this truly "off" season. Lol

 

[JDSTAR]

Big fan of his. Like his attitude too. I will be looking out for him this year

 

[DFWJC]

I would have taken Floyd for sure at 18.

But Dallas ended up with Frederick and T Williams in exchange for him, so Im counting on that offsetting it.

Of course, some could argue that we could have had Floyd AND Frederick. We'll never know for...so well just stick with what we do know.

:starspin

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Would have pulled the trigger on Floyd myself however he's not the ideal fit for the Kiffin system and Dallas needed to fix the Center position like no other.

 

[speedkilz88]

If he indeed is more of a run stopper then they made the right choice.

 

[Fredd]

I would have taken Floyd for sure at 18.

But Dallas ended up with Frederick and T Williams in exchange for him, so Im counting on that offsetting it.

Of course, some could argue that we could have had Floyd AND Frederick. We'll never know for...so well just stick with what we do know.

:starspin

the options aren't Frederick & williams
vs
frederick and floyd

it is Frederick, Escobar and williams
vs frederick and floyd

it is really Floyd vs Williams and Escobar in the scenario that you list (that some people believe could have happened).....and, I am on the side of the fence where I don't believe frederick would have been there in the 2nd...I will take the WR AND TE vs the DT

 

[TheRomoSexual]

the options aren't Frederick & williams
vs
frederick and floyd

it is Frederick, Escobar and williams
vs frederick and floyd

it is really Floyd vs Williams and Escobar in the scenario that you list (that some people believe could have happened).....and, I am on the side of the fence where I don't believe frederick would have been there in the 2nd...I will take the WR AND TE vs the DT

Nevermind, misread.

 

[Cowboys22]

Any scenario talking about Floyd and Frederick is just pure fantasy. No one can say for certain he would have been available. There have been several reports that he was Baltimore's guy at 32 all along and the fact that they traded for a center after the fact kind of lends credence to those reports. The only scenario that counts is Floyd vs Frederick and Williams. Personally, I would be fine with either choice but I'm happy the way it turned out. Without the trade down, you would have to remove one of our draftees from the overall draft. Who would you be happy not having? Escobar? Webb? Williams? Wilcox? Randle? One or more of them would not be a Cowboy.

 

[speedkilz88]

If that's true about Baltimore, they must think the Cowboys have their number. There have been a lot of guys that the Cowboys took that they supposedly wanted. Dez a couple years ago and I believe both Johnson and Wilber last year.

 

[DFWJC]

The known is that we actually got Frederick and Williams instead of Floyd (or Sly Williams, Eric Reid, Bjorn Werner or someone else at 18).

It's true that any scenario other than what actually happened beyond that is is hypothetical.

I'm looking forward to seeing how it'll work out. One thing for sure is I'm at least glad we probably added a starter to the oline in the draft. Can't say I would have used that extra pick for Williams , but now I'm a fan because he's a Cowboy.

 

[LatinMind]

the options aren't Frederick & williams
vs
frederick and floyd

it is Frederick, Escobar and williams
vs frederick and floyd

it is really Floyd vs Williams and Escobar in the scenario that you list (that some people believe could have happened).....and, I am on the side of the fence where I don't believe frederick would have been there in the 2nd...I will take the WR AND TE vs the DT

i dont think Frederick wouldve been there when Dallas drafted. Just because kiper and guys like him had him rated lower doesnt mean teams did. Fluker was rated by these people has a later first round pick and look where he went. Teams wanted OL this draft.

 

[DFWJC]

i dont think Frederick wouldve been there when Dallas drafted. Just because kiper and guys like him had him rated lower doesnt mean teams did. Fluker was rated by these people has a later first round pick and look where he went. Teams wanted OL this draft.

Just and FYI...

Mel Kiper had Fluker going 11th to San Diego and all 6 of the lineman that went before us going before us.
But he assumed we would take Sly Williams at 18 if he was there (mocked Floyd real early).

Mike Moyock had Fluker going 12th. He had Star falling to us...which almost happened. Like mayock, he had Floyd going 3rd.

Todd McShay also had all the lineman gone before us, and had Fluker going 12th in his final mock. He had us taking Tichardson at 18 and had Floyd going 3rd to Oakland.

So by the time the draft had come around, the main guys all had pushed Fluker way up and had all the lineman gone before us. The all thought we would go Dline and they all though Floyd would go to Oakland.

After Oakland shook things up and traded down (they loved CB Hayden but knew they could get him later) you can look at team needs and players available and it's easy to see it only took maybe two teams to pass on Floyd to drop him all the way to us.

As far as freddy being there at 47, none of us know.
The fact that once you got past the mid 1st round people quit taking lineman for awhile says it was possible. Guys like Terron Armstead (rated higher than Freddy) dropped all the way to the late 3rd round.

 

[speedkilz88]

Just and FYI...

Mel Kiper had Fluker going 11th to San Diego and all 6 of the lineman that went before us going before us.
But he assumed we would take Sly Williams at 18 if he was there (mocked Floyd real early).

Mike Moyock had Fluker going 12th. He had Star falling to us...which almost happened. Like mayock, he had Floyd going 3rd.

Todd McShay also had all the lineman gone before us, and had Fluker going 12th in his final mock. He had us taking Tichardson at 18 and had Floyd going 3rd to Oakland.

So by the time the draft had come around, the main guys all had pushed Fluker way up and had all the lineman gone before us. The all thought we would go Dline and they all though Floyd would go to Oakland.

After Oakland shook things up and traded down (they loved CB Hayden but knew they could get him later) you can look at team needs and players available and it's easy to see it only took maybe two teams to pass on Floyd to drop him all the way to us.

As far as freddy being there at 47, none of us know.
The fact that once you got past the mid 1st round people quit taking lineman for awhile says it was possible. Guys like Terron Armstead (rated higher than Freddy) dropped all the way to the late 3rd round.

FYI, they didn't until the very last and that was because they got wind that those teams were going to take them that high. It makes them look good but had nothing to how they had them originally evaluated.

 

[DFWJC]

FYI, they didn't until the very last and that was because they got wind that those teams were going to take them that high. It makes them look good but had nothing to how they had them originally evaluated.

Mock drafts are how you think teams will pick and not how you have players evaluated.

But yes, Fluker moved up the charts the last two weeks. A ton of mocks had Dallas taking him at 18 early on.
BTW, this is how it always is....risers and fallers near the draft based on word getting out ,closer scrutiny, or combine stuff..

As it turned out, Floyd was the big surprise, as everyone still seemed to think he would go real early.

But if you look at how it went once Oakland passed on him, it's hard to fault many teams for picking who they did.

When the Jets took Sheldon Richardson ahead of him at 12, that was first team to pass on him since Oakland that had a need at DT greater than a need for oline, DE, or CB.

Then Carolina took Star ahead of him at 16. That would not surprise too many out there.

Dallas and the Giants both could have have used him, but I guess the need at oline trumped it. At least Dallas got an extra thrid round for passing...the Giants did not.

So the next 4-3 team needing a DT was Minnesota, and they stole him at 23. Great deal for them.

 

[CF74]

I dunno maybe it's just me but I don't get the Floyd luv. Dude only had 3 sacks in college. What does that translate to in the Pro's? Negative 5?

No to mention so many teams passed on the guy he fell pretty far....

 

[DFWJC]

I dunno maybe it's just me but I don't get the Floyd luv. Dude only had 3 sacks in college. What does that translate to in the Pro's? Negative 5?

No to mention so many teams passed on the guy he fell pretty far....

The only team other than Oakland (who loved DJ Hayden) to pass n him before dallas was the Jets--who preferred Richardson over Floyd or Star Lotulelei. That's it...just one team really with a big need at DT. The rest had top level Olineman, pass rushers or a Cb that they preferred and needed.

But you may be right. Floyd could end up being just and regular player. I do think there was some risk involved with him.

 

[CF74]

The only team other than Oakland (who loved DJ Hayden) to pass n him before dallas was the Jets--who preferred Richardson over Floyd or Star Lotulelei. That's it...just one team really with a big need at DT. The rest had top level Olineman, pass rushers or a Cb that they preferred and needed.

But you may be right. Floyd could end up being just and regular player. I do think there was some risk involved with him.

Yeah it just seems to me the premium pick is pass rusher vs run stuffer, clearly the league has shifted...

 

[Cowboy_Ace]

My point of this thread was more about easley than not drafting floyd... Easleys first step his soph yr was incredible... He got back there so fast that he couldn't make a play sometimes it was incredible!

 

[Risen Star]

I would have taken Floyd for sure at 18.

But Dallas ended up with Frederick and T Williams in exchange for him, so Im counting on that offsetting it.

Of course, some could argue that we could have had Floyd AND Frederick. We'll never know for...so well just stick with what we do know.

:starspin

You really don't know how it would have worked out. Nobody does. We could have gotten Floyd, Frederick and Williams. Maybe missed out on Wilcox. Who knows? You'd have to see every team's board and what they would have done.

Do I think we got great value in the trade? No. But I didn't expect to.

 

[Risen Star]

It seemed like a lot of teams moving down in this draft failed to get trade chart value.