Sheduer dropping like a lead weight

[Praxit]

Not to mention that Shiloh fired Daddy as his agent and hired Drew Rosenhaus this weekend.

Not a boring weekend in the Sanders household, lol

....ya, I was really surprised with the outcome. I remember many here, wanted to get him pronto.

NFL pulled out the bullhorn.

 

[FanofJerry]

The Browns have already stocked up for the 2026 Top QB’s as they have two first round picks. That did not happen by accident.

OK ok...what's the angle? Are you joking?

Im Genuinely not smart enough to see it...

I just happened to watch Moneyball for the first rime last night...caught most of it.

I see that Billy Beane's right hand man is now the GM of the Browns...

So many are saying the Watson contract was bad...but was given the contract....

What is the plan that this analytics guy has in place?

Again...genuinely not smart enough.


Send shedeur(sp) other Qb prospects plus picks for manning? Baseball style?

 

[Rayman70]

What is there to learn?

He is into marketing and selling a brand...something big corps do and make money off of doing.

Deion and him want the best for Shedeur(sp)...what is wrong with that?

He isn't perfect. Twitter spats, throwing his lineman under the bus. That's what all corps do when faced with adversity. Especially when in legal battles.

Why is he not allowed to protect himself?

The only legit answer is this "it's the nfl draft, you go where you are taken"

But, who wants to go to or wants their child going to a team like what Daniel Jones had to deal with for 2 or 3 years in New York? Jones literally could not get a pass off for 2 years? It ruined his career.


Your gonna say that "that's just how it is"...which is lazy and inconsiderate. Why should a player risk his whole upbringing to go to a trash squad and most likely not receive a second contract because of the GM? You can't answer it honestly.

Sure, Jones got his second contract...but he was ruined by New York.

Kids using their platform isn't going away. It's a smart business decision. You can't honestly answer why it's OK for 'higher tiers' to do it, but not for the player.

You're side stepping a bunch of critical information and relying on "that's just how it is"

You're conflicted at worse.

I will agree, he has displayed some drama. He definitely seems like the type to hold out and demand tonnes of money if he produces. But that's business. But only 'owners' are allowed to do that from your view point....why?

It may not be going away, but it doesn't make it right. CLEARLY the NFL seems to agree. Don't hate the messenger. It's not my life. He has to live with the consequences good and bad . As we all do. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you ought to. It requires critical thinking's and thoughtfulness.

 

[Rayman70]

....ya, I was really surprised with the outcome. I remember many here, wanted to get him pronto.

NFL pulled out the bullhorn.

None of us should be surprised. I would have taken a flier on him if he wasn't picked .

 

[Pass2Run]

When I started and titled this thread, it was only the beginning of round 2. I couldn't fathom him dropping out of round 1 let alone plummeting to round 5. People like to make fun of draft gurus, but these guys never miss this badly. They evaluate college players 365 days a year and talk to NFL scouts and personnel guys to gauge opinion. They might think a guy is first round talent and maybe he slips to round 2 or 3 if there is an injury involved. But I've been a draft fan since they started televising the draft in the early 1980's. I've seen them all. I have never seen a QB predicted to go top 10 by just about everyone fall to round 5.......... this is truly unprecedented. There will be books written about it and maybe even a movie once the whole story comes out.

It's really not all that interesting. He dropped because of his helicopter dad, entitled ego, attitude and likely because of how Deion treated the Colorado players when he arrived (they are just kids after all) all so he could get his son drafted in round 1.

 

[FanofJerry]

It may not be going away, but it doesn't make it right. CLEARLY the NFL seems to agree. Don't hate the messenger. It's not my life. He has to live with the consequences good and bad . As we all do. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you ought to. It requires critical thinking's and thoughtfulness.

You're propagating a monopoly

 

[Pass2Run]

Caption this
If I'm the Browns ..........I don't need this baggage. I'm cutting him now and moving on

This is exactly why. On top of the fact that he's more of a college QB than an NFL one, who wants to go through a QBs dad to coach their QB?

Deion doesn't even see what's wrong with this. It's time to let go, Deion. Most of us don't care for you anymore. And I for one see the fact that, wherever you coached, it was much less about teams and much more about getting your kids drafted.

Karma, capital K.

 

[Pass2Run]

This kind of helicopter parenting is probably a chunk of the reason he dropped so far. If you draft shedder, you are brung Dieon into the building with him. The Raiders were told flat out by Brady not to draft him. Brady tutored the kid and was very familiar with him. Pittsburgh and NYG spent a ton of time and resources evaluating him. They passed.

So, if the sentiment in the NFL was such, how did all of these draft publications and prognosticators miss so badly? Kiper was obviously the most irate b/c he's been doing this the longest and was apparently lied to about sentiment around the league on this kid........ lied to by a LOT of people.

I'm not gonna lie. If it was a scout/GM or whatever, it would be a lot of fun lying to Mel Kiper. Just to watch him go parrot what you say only to eat it later.

This is sheer entertainment for me, perhaps a bit of schadenfreude, but entertaining none the less.

It should also tell you something that the Cowboys didn't draft him.

If you hire an employee and his dad is the shot caller about how he does his job, how hard he works, do you still hire him?

Somehow, I knew he'd fall.

 

[gtb1943]

And you put Dak in some of those guys jock straps. That’s where our debate starts and ends. What are Dak’s weaknesses and strengths? The runner up in the MVP? How many times has Lamar Jackson won it or finished in the top 2-3? Any fan can watch him play and know he’s never leading a team to a SB. He and Dak are limited in certain areas of their game that will never allow it to happen.

Much more likely Jackson will make it then Dak and in the end you have to eat that

 

[gtb1943]

What is there to learn?

He is into marketing and selling a brand...something big corps do and make money off of doing.

Deion and him want the best for Shedeur(sp)...what is wrong with that?

He isn't perfect. Twitter spats, throwing his lineman under the bus. That's what all corps do when faced with adversity. Especially when in legal battles.

Why is he not allowed to protect himself?

The only legit answer is this "it's the nfl draft, you go where you are taken"

But, who wants to go to or wants their child going to a team like what Daniel Jones had to deal with for 2 or 3 years in New York? Jones literally could not get a pass off for 2 years? It ruined his career.


Your gonna say that "that's just how it is"...which is lazy and inconsiderate. Why should a player risk his whole upbringing to go to a trash squad and most likely not receive a second contract because of the GM? You can't answer it honestly.

Sure, Jones got his second contract...but he was ruined by New York.

Kids using their platform isn't going away. It's a smart business decision. You can't honestly answer why it's OK for 'higher tiers' to do it, but not for the player.

You're side stepping a bunch of critical information and relying on "that's just how it is"

You're conflicted at worse.

I will agree, he has displayed some drama. He definitely seems like the type to hold out and demand tonnes of money if he produces. But that's business. But only 'owners' are allowed to do that from your view point....why?

And the GMs and Owners CHOSE to not pay much for his brand.

See how that works?

 

[FanofJerry]

Most QBs

This is exactly why. On top of the fact that he's more of a college QB than an NFL one, who wants to go through a QBs dad to coach their QB?

Deion doesn't even see what's wrong with this. It's time to let go, Deion. Most of us don't care for you anymore. And I for one see the fact that, wherever you coached, it was much less about teams and much more about getting your kids drafted.

Karma, capital K.

Most QBs don't succeed with NFL coaching, though

Deion sees this. He is not being a jerk just to be a pompous jerk.

NFL is high standard. Doesn't mean they are perfect or unquestionable.

NFL wants unquestioned standards.

Blame it on being cocky, race culture, whatever...fact is...it's not a good science.

Everyone will dogpile this comment suggesting that NFL knows what it's trying to do....yet numbers say most qbs fail at their coaching.


Deion sees this. Doesn't think NFL is the end all say all for QB knowledge.

Get over it. Sure, he is selling his son, but it's rooting in something that makes sense...THAT NFL HASNT FIGURED OUT A WAY TO COACH THEIR QBS PROPERLY.

It's throwing noodles at a wall. Why hate someone for seeing past the BS? Just to hate?

Like it or not, it's true. Deion claims when he was playing a qb and wr did not get along, but come.game day....they produced.

Talent produces. Counter to character. Yet NFL wants character. No wonder he doesn't like the qb standards for nfl

 

[Rockport]

It was the whole package; Sheduer and his father.
The kid was arrogant and dismissive of others; you add that to the simple fact that he is not all that a QB and then throw the anchor that is his father on top of it all and its no wonder he sank

Kiper and others have shown their total incompetence here very clearly

You’re always so positive.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I'm not gonna lie. If it was a scout/GM or whatever, it would be a lot of fun lying to Mel Kiper. Just to watch him go parrot what you say only to eat it later.

This is sheer entertainment for me, perhaps a bit of schadenfreude, but entertaining none the less.

It should also tell you something that the Cowboys didn't draft him.

If you hire an employee and his dad is the shot caller about how he does his job, how hard he works, do you still hire him?

Somehow, I knew he'd fall.

Yeah, but Mel wasn't alone on an island. Nobody had sheduer dropping past Pittsburgh and most had him in the top 10. This is an unprecedented drop. This has never happened with a player mocked top 10 dropping to round 5 with no injury.

 

[atlantacowboy]

It's really not all that interesting. He dropped because of his helicopter dad, entitled ego, attitude and likely because of how Deion treated the Colorado players when he arrived (they are just kids after all) all so he could get his son drafted in round 1.

Well, now you are the one alone on an island. This drop is the biggest story of the draft. It's being talked about everywhere.

 

[FanofJerry]

H

Yeah, but Mel wasn't alone on an island. Nobody had sheduer dropping past Pittsburgh and most had him in the top 10. This is an unprecedented drop. This has never happened with a player mocked top 10 dropping to round 5 with no injury.

He was railroaded.

That's why Cleveland took a qb before him.

It's collusion

 

[atlantacowboy]

H

He was railroaded.

That's why Cleveland took a qb before him.

It's collusion

That makes no sense. Why would they do that?

 

[atlantacowboy]

The Browns have already stocked up for the 2026 Top QB’s as they have two first round picks. That did not happen by accident.

The #1 pick next year isn't being traded if it's Arch Manning. I doubt J-ville or cleveland is going to finish with the worst record. They may take a QB high next year but that depends on what they think of their 2 rookies. You don't spend 2 picks on rookie QBs if the plan is to draft a QB next year.

 

[rags747]

What is there to learn?

He is into marketing and selling a brand...something big corps do and make money off of doing.

Deion and him want the best for Shedeur(sp)...what is wrong with that?

He isn't perfect. Twitter spats, throwing his lineman under the bus. That's what all corps do when faced with adversity. Especially when in legal battles.

Why is he not allowed to protect himself?

The only legit answer is this "it's the nfl draft, you go where you are taken"

But, who wants to go to or wants their child going to a team like what Daniel Jones had to deal with for 2 or 3 years in New York? Jones literally could not get a pass off for 2 years? It ruined his career.


Your gonna say that "that's just how it is"...which is lazy and inconsiderate. Why should a player risk his whole upbringing to go to a trash squad and most likely not receive a second contract because of the GM? You can't answer it honestly.

Sure, Jones got his second contract...but he was ruined by New York.

Kids using their platform isn't going away. It's a smart business decision. You can't honestly answer why it's OK for 'higher tiers' to do it, but not for the player.

You're side stepping a bunch of critical information and relying on "that's just how it is"

You're conflicted at worse.

I will agree, he has displayed some drama. He definitely seems like the type to hold out and demand tonnes of money if he produces. But that's business. But only 'owners' are allowed to do that from your view point....why?

You sell a brand when you have a good product, Sanders is far from a good product, lots of flaws to his game. When you have A++ talent you can be a loudmouth and be Legendary. If the talent level is not A++ then nobody wants or cares to see your private Legendary draft room that you had constructed at daddy’s house. He was on a two month long interview process and the Sanders team absolutely blew every opportunity.

Go interview for a large corporation for a six figure salary and show up in your t shirt and slippers and see how far u get.

 

[rags747]

The plan

OK ok...what's the angle? Are you joking?

Im Genuinely not smart enough to see it...

I just happened to watch Moneyball for the first rime last night...caught most of it.

I see that Billy Beane's right hand man is now the GM of the Browns...

So many are saying the Watson contract was bad...but was given the contract....

What is the plan that this analytics guy has in place?

Again...genuinely not smart enough.


Send shedeur(sp) other Qb prospects plus picks for manning? Baseball style?

The plan is that they have two first round picks next year when there will be more talented qb’s coming out than this years crop. That’s the plan…

 

[FanofJerry]

You sell a brand when you have a good product, Sanders is far from a good product, lots of flaws to his game. When you have A++ talent you can be a loudmouth and be Legendary. If the talent level is not A++ then nobody wants or cares to see your private Legendary draft room that you had constructed at daddy’s house. He was on a two month long interview process and the Sanders team absolutely blew every opportunity.

Go interview for a large corporation for a six figure salary and show up in your t shirt and slippers and see how far u get.

You hit it on the head...

T-shirt and slippers means nothing to production.

It's a pony show.

No serious texh company is turning down the best programmer in the world over a t-shirt and sandals act.

You've been checkmate.

I'll go further. No bank is turning down the best mathematician in the world over a shirt and shoes.

You're reaching.