Should Leonard Davis be in Cowboys sights at RG?

[dbair1967]

Davis really isn't fat. He has a huge frame and barely has any gut.

hey thats great, but he's still a penalty ridden turnstyle on the field

David

 

[silverbear]

I believe out of all the offensive lineman this year L. Davis and D. Dockery has the most upside out of all of em....

For sure, they have the most BACKside of any of 'em...

 

[silverbear]

hey thats great, but he's still a penalty ridden turnstyle on the field

David

Chuckle... YOU were the one who said "just say not to extremely fat, lousy OL's"...

Then when called on that ludicrous piece of "analysis", you try to change the argument...

Yeah, Davis has a problem with false starts-- at tackle... there's a reason for that, he can be beaten by speed rushers, and he's trying to get off the snap in time enough to negate such a rush... but at guard, he won't HAVE to jump the snap count...

Anyway, your characterization of Leonard Davis as "extremely fat" clearly demonstrates that your knowledge of this player is superficial at best... so why should we accept ANYTHING you have to say about Leonard Davis??

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Chuckle... YOU were the one who said "just say not to extremely fat, lousy OL's"...

Then when called on that ludicrous piece of "analysis", you try to change the argument...

Yeah, Davis has a problem with false starts-- at tackle... there's a reason for that, he can be beaten by speed rushers, and he's trying to get off the snap in time enough to negate such a rush... but at guard, he won't HAVE to jump the snap count...

Anyway, your characterization of Leonard Davis as "extremely fat" clearly demonstrates that your knowledge of this player is superficial at best... so why should we accept ANYTHING you have to say about Leonard Davis??

GOOD POINT

 

[5Stars]

I'll like to replace Kyle Kosier with Derrick Dockery and Replace Marco Rivera w/ Leonard Davis.

Wow, I wonder why...

Nah, I already know why you would want those players replaced Dockery and Davis...I googled their profiles, saw their picture...that told me all I need to know about why YOU would want these guys...

 

[dbair1967]

Chuckle... YOU were the one who said "just say not to extremely fat, lousy OL's"...

Then when called on that ludicrous piece of "analysis", you try to change the argument...

Yeah, Davis has a problem with false starts-- at tackle... there's a reason for that, he can be beaten by speed rushers, and he's trying to get off the snap in time enough to negate such a rush... but at guard, he won't HAVE to jump the snap count...

Anyway, your characterization of Leonard Davis as "extremely fat" clearly demonstrates that your knowledge of this player is superficial at best... so why should we accept ANYTHING you have to say about Leonard Davis??

he has been fat at a multitude of times in his career...have you not been watching him?

and he is a human turnstyle and has been a penalty machine...the guy's been a huge bust, and yet some STILL want to give this guy some ridiculous contract and think he'd be an "upgrade"

David

 

[silverbear]

he has been fat at a multitude of times in his career...have you not been watching him?

He's been at close to this same weight since he came into the league... if he was "fat", he would have been pushing 400 pounds (since he's in the 365-370 range in that pic, and is obviously not fat)...

and he is a human turnstyle and has been a penalty machine...the guy's been a huge bust,

While he hasn't lived up to his lofty draft status, it's quite asinine to label him a "bust"... he's only started every game he's played in the NFL... that would be 91 starts in 6 years...

Sorry, but there's no way that a guy who has started every game he's played for his team for six freakin' seasons can be called a "bust"...

You just don't seem to be able to grasp WHY Davis has been a "penalty machine"... it's because he lacks that first step quickness that you need to be able to deal with the league's best speed rushers at LT... he has good speed, runs the 40 in around 5.25 seconds, so he's quick enough to get out and pull for you... but he surely does have trouble with good speed rushers... he knows he has trouble with them, which is why he's constantly trying to anticipate the snap count, trying to get off the line as quickly as he possibly can...

But at GUARD, those defensive linemen won't be able to blow right past him on a speed rush... and since that's the only real problem he has, it is quite logical to believe that he'd be better off playing guard than he has been playing tackle...

It wouldn't hurt to put him on a line with a bit better talent than that joke of a line in 'Zone, either...

Kevin Gogan was an extremely marginal player early in his career with the Boys, playing tackle... and for the same reasons as Davis early in his career, he was just too slow to deal with the speed rushers at tackle... then he made the same move that Davis will almost certainly make with his new team, and all of a sudden, he's a Pro Bowler...

You like to issue pronouncements about players as if you're delivering the Sermon on the Mount, but we have CLEARLY shown in here that you really don't know that much about Davis, given that you labelled him "extremely fat"... it seems you saw 6-6, 365 pounds, and just ASSUMED he had to be fat...

Given that you were in error on that, why should we take anything you say about Davis seriously??

 

[BourbonBalz]

I'm not saying this as a way of being in favor or Davis one way or another. However, the FAT issue is ridiculous. Have you guys taken a look at OL lately? How about over the past two decades? Remember Nate Newton? Kevin Gogan? Larry Allen? Everyone on our OL in our heydays of the 90's had a big gut except Step. Best I remember, we were pretty successful with them. Now, we did run a power, drive-blocking scheme then, which is what I think we should return to now. My point is, fat OL are nothing new by any stretch, especially at guard.

 

[dbair1967]

He's been at close to this same weight since he came into the league... if he was "fat", he would have been pushing 400 pounds (since he's in the 365-370 range in that pic, and is obviously not fat)...



While he hasn't lived up to his lofty draft status, it's quite asinine to label him a "bust"... he's only started every game he's played in the NFL... that would be 91 starts in 6 years...

Sorry, but there's no way that a guy who has started every game he's played for his team for six freakin' seasons can be called a "bust"...

You just don't seem to be able to grasp WHY Davis has been a "penalty machine"... it's because he lacks that first step quickness that you need to be able to deal with the league's best speed rushers at LT... he has good speed, runs the 40 in around 5.25 seconds, so he's quick enough to get out and pull for you... but he surely does have trouble with good speed rushers... he knows he has trouble with them, which is why he's constantly trying to anticipate the snap count, trying to get off the line as quickly as he possibly can...

But at GUARD, those defensive linemen won't be able to blow right past him on a speed rush... and since that's the only real problem he has, it is quite logical to believe that he'd be better off playing guard than he has been playing tackle...

It wouldn't hurt to put him on a line with a bit better talent than that joke of a line in 'Zone, either...

Kevin Gogan was an extremely marginal player early in his career with the Boys, playing tackle... and for the same reasons as Davis early in his career, he was just too slow to deal with the speed rushers at tackle... then he made the same move that Davis will almost certainly make with his new team, and all of a sudden, he's a Pro Bowler...

You like to issue pronouncements about players as if you're delivering the Sermon on the Mount, but we have CLEARLY shown in here that you really don't know that much about Davis, given that you labelled him "extremely fat"... it seems you saw 6-6, 365 pounds, and just ASSUMED he had to be fat...

Given that you were in error on that, why should we take anything you say about Davis seriously??

and despite all your glowing reviews of Davis, the Cardinals new HC just came out and said he wasnt worth anywhere near the money to resign didnt he? and how many times had Dennis Green came out and questioned his work ethic and his conditioning?

wasnt Davis the 2nd pick overall in the draft? its nice he's started all those games, but he's also been a starter for a team with arguably the worst OL in football for 5yr or so...that isnt much of an accomplishment, it just means 1) he hasnt been hurt and 2) they dont have anyone else...they didnt spend the 2nd pick of the draft to find a guy that can babysit a position for a few yrs, they used the 2nd pick of the draft on him with the idea he'd be a dominant, all pro calibar player...he clearly has been nothing but mediocre...if they had used a 3rd rd pick on him and got the same results, he wouldnt be a "bust", but for where he was drafted, he clearly is a bust

I've seen him play some, and the guy has been lousy for years...

David

 

[dbair1967]

I'm not saying this as a way of being in favor or Davis one way or another. However, the FAT issue is ridiculous. Have you guys taken a look at OL lately? How about over the past two decades? Remember Nate Newton? Kevin Gogan? Larry Allen? Everyone on our OL in our heydays of the 90's had a big gut except Step. Best I remember, we were pretty successful with them. Now, we did run a power, drive-blocking scheme then, which is what I think we should return to now. My point is, fat OL are nothing new by any stretch, especially at guard.

Larry Allen was never fat in his prime...Tunei wasnt fat...niether was Erik Williams in his prime...nor John Gesek...Ray Donaldson was at the end of his career when we got him and he wasnt fat either

David

 

[BourbonBalz]

Yea, they were all built like body builders. :bang2:

 

[BourbonBalz]

Donaldson had an *** the size of my pickup. Nate's gut was the size of a 42 inch Sony, yet he moved with the best of them. Nuff said.

 

[silverbear]

and despite all your glowing reviews of Davis, the Cardinals new HC just came out and said he wasnt worth anywhere near the money to resign didnt he?

And if he wants LT money, he's not worth that... if he puts an exorbitant price tag on his services, I won't want the Boys pursuing him...

wasnt Davis the 2nd pick overall in the draft?

Yes, he sure was... which means he hasn't lived up to his POTENTIAL... which is NOT the same thing as saying he's a "bust", not when he's been a fixture on that offensive line since he came into the league...

A bust is somebody who never makes it in the league, after having glowing scouting reports...

I've seen him play some, and the guy has been lousy for years...

Since he's not "extremely fat", as you characterized him, you'll pardon me if I suggest you couldn't have been paying very close attention...

I know you'd like us all to forget that fatal flaw in your "analysis", but after that doozy, anything else you have to say on the subject is utterly lacking in substance... you did that to yourself...

 

[silverbear]

Larry Allen was never fat in his prime...Tunei wasnt fat...niether was Erik Williams in his prime...nor John Gesek...Ray Donaldson was at the end of his career when we got him and he wasnt fat either

Actually, Donaldson WAS pretty porky in his time with the Boys... he could still play a little, but he had a serious case of Dunlap's Disease...

You know, the condition in which your belly done lapped over your belt...

Now, you are right about the others, they weren't real fat... but offensive linemen have gotten steadily bigger since then...

 

[dbair1967]

And if he wants LT money, he's not worth that... if he puts an exorbitant price tag on his services, I won't want the Boys pursuing him...



Yes, he sure was... which means he hasn't lived up to his POTENTIAL... which is NOT the same thing as saying he's a "bust", not when he's been a fixture on that offensive line since he came into the league...

A bust is somebody who never makes it in the league, after having glowing scouting reports...



Since he's not "extremely fat", as you characterized him, you'll pardon me if I suggest you couldn't have been paying very close attention...

I know you'd like us all to forget that fatal flaw in your "analysis", but after that doozy, anything else you have to say on the subject is utterly lacking in substance... you did that to yourself...

ok fine SB...lets just totally disregard what his own coaching staff has been saying about him...

he doesnt look fat in that pic somebody posted in this thread...but he has been fat and out of shape alot of his career...its part of the reason he hasnt been any good on Sunday's...

you can homer for the guy all you want, but all the stuff I posted about him are sentiments his own coaches echoed, and the new coaches in Arizona want nothing to do with him

David

 

[silverbear]

ok fine SB...lets just totally disregard what his own coaching staff has been saying about him...

he doesnt look fat in that pic somebody posted in this thread...but he has been fat and out of shape alot of his career...its part of the reason he hasnt been any good on Sunday's...

Sniff... sniff... what IS that smell??

Smells like... well, it smells like bovine fecal matter to me... kind of a "who ya gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" approach...

you can homer for the guy all you want, but all the stuff I posted about him are sentiments his own coaches echoed,

Then you ought to be able to share some quotes proving your point...

and the new coaches in Arizona want nothing to do with him

Tightwad Bill Bidwill is the reason for that, and I suspect you know it... the coaches had little to no say in that decision...

 

[Sabu1]

Can Davis get out in space, pull effectively and consistently get to the second level? If he can do that, than I would be interested in him.

 

[silverbear]

Can Davis get out in space, pull effectively and consistently get to the second level? If he can do that, than I would be interested in him.

I believe he's plenty agile enough to do so, which is why I'd like to see the Boys pursue him...

However, that would be part of the Boys moving to a bigger offensive line, and the rumblings I've read here lately suggest they're gonna keep more or less the same profile for their offensive linemen... in that case, Dielman is closer to what they'd be looking for...

 

[Sabu1]

I believe he's plenty agile enough to do so, which is why I'd like to see the Boys pursue him...

However, that would be part of the Boys moving to a bigger offensive line, and the rumblings I've read here lately suggest they're gonna keep more or less the same profile for their offensive linemen... in that case, Dielman is closer to what they'd be looking for...

If Davis can do those things, I don't see why Dallas wouldn't go after him. I don't see why his size would be a problem as long as he's versatile and mobile. And considering how much Dielman and Steinbach would cost, Davis could be Dallas' best guard option in FA.

 

[silverbear]

If Davis can do those things, I don't see why Dallas wouldn't go after him. I don't see why his size would be a problem as long as he's versatile and mobile. And considering how much Dielman and Steinbach would cost, Davis could be Dallas' best guard option in FA.

Him, or Derrick Dockery...