Should Undrafted Underclassmen Lose Their College Eligibility?

[DallasEast]

Arkansas head coach Bret Bielema thinks undrafted players shouldn't lose their remaining college eligibility and have an opportunity of returning to school. He's reasons are partially selfish but I think he's right in my opinion. The possibility does exist that even more underclassmen would declare for the draft each year knowing they have the option of going back to school if they aren't drafted. However, the league has measures in place already that inform underclassmen of their chances of being drafted in the early rounds, later rounds or not at all.

Even though I don't have the annual numbers of underclassmen entering the draft, I believe the league would benefit from having more of them return to college, refine their talent and skills more, and re-declare for the draft as seniors. There would still be a large influx of underclassmen in the draft pool each year but a larger percentage of seniors, better equipped to more quickly succeed at the professional level, would be available in the mid-to-late rounds also. I think that possibility would boost the overall talent level of each team's roster in the short-term faster than it does presently.

Story links:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...w-undrafted-underclassmen-to-return-to-school
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...enting-changes-to-address-underclassmen-issue

 

[YosemiteSam]

I say yes. If they are drafted that team owns their rights whether they decide to sign or not. (meaning if they go back to school like they do in baseball, they cannot be redrafted) Also, if they do not sign that year, they must accept UDFA contract rather than a draft slotted contract once they are ready to sign since they cost the team a draft pick and then choose not to sign.

I'm my true opinion, the NCAA should be dismantlement. They are a horrible bain to the students. They are the reason tuition is so expensive in the US, (making a non-education product out of education and getting rich as hell while the students starve and ban from making/accepting any moneies) they are the reason the kids can't support themselves and live on roman noodle.

IMO, the students should get a cut of the monies these schools are earning. Most of the money they make is on the backs of these students.

 

[erod]

Of course they should lose their eligibility.

Otherwise, most players will just declare themselves eligible for the draft every year.

What's next? They don't like where they are drafted, or what round, and they decide to just stay in school?

Slippery slope.

 

[erod]

I'm my true opinion, the NCAA should be dismantlement. They are a horrible bain to the students. They are the reason tuition is so expensive in the US, (making a non-education product out of education and getting rich as hell while the students starve and ban from making/accepting any moneies) they are the reason the kids can't support themselves and live on roman noodle.

IMO, the students should get a cut of the monies these schools are earning. Most of the money they make is on the backs of these students.

Actually, you have it completely opposite. The football team makes hundreds of millions of dollars for the university, which subsidizes other sports and lowers tuition.

The reason tuition is skyrocketing is that state funding has been cut because there are so many huge welfare and healthcare demands on states now that they had to cut back on university funding. Plus, kids are being pushed so hard to go to college these days that demand is at an all-time high. Private schools can now charge ridiculous amounts because of that demand, too.

 

[DFWJC]

NCAA basket ball is pretty screwy but I do like how they handle the draft.

I'm fine with letting a player temporarily declare to explore their draftability, and then have a final back-out or go-forward date sometime before the draft.
They have to be older in football anyway.

But no, I don't like the idea of an open return policy. For starters, it would affect recruiting and scholarship limits. Not to mention the other uncertainties and chaos.

 

[DFWJC]

I say yes. If they are drafted that team owns their rights whether they decide to sign or not. (meaning if they go back to school like they do in baseball, they cannot be redrafted) Also, if they do not sign that year, they must accept UDFA contract rather than a draft slotted contract once they are ready to sign since they cost the team a draft pick and then choose not to sign.

I'm my true opinion, the NCAA should be dismantlement. They are a horrible bain to the students. They are the reason tuition is so expensive in the US, (making a non-education product out of education and getting rich as hell while the students starve and ban from making/accepting any moneies) they are the reason the kids can't support themselves and live on roman noodle.

IMO, the students should get a cut of the monies these schools are earning. Most of the money they make is on the backs of these students.

Football is on a separate budget, Sam.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Football is on a separate budget, Sam.

lol. No, the hundreds of millions of dollars that UT is making is going into UT's pockets.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Actually, you have it completely opposite. The football team makes hundreds of millions of dollars for the university, which subsidizes other sports and lowers tuition.

The reason tuition is skyrocketing is that state funding has been cut because there are so many huge welfare and healthcare demands on states now that they had to cut back on university funding. Plus, kids are being pushed so hard to go to college these days that demand is at an all-time high. Private schools can now charge ridiculous amounts because of that demand, too.

You're drunk. Go look at the tuition in Europe (ie, no NCAA and sports control) and compare it to the tuition in the US.

 

[erod]

You're drunk. Go look at the tuition in Europe (ie, no NCAA and sports control) and compare it to the tuition in the US.

Lol, go look at the taxes in Europe. There's your tuition right there.

That's why everybody there lives in a shoe box.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Lol, go look at the taxes in Europe. There's your tuition right there.

That's why everybody there lives in a shoe box.

I think you live in a box because the EU provides a **** load more for EU people than the US provides for the US people. The US is the country that has the Student Loan Debt Crisis.

University of Texas Austin tuition. (in state) $26k, out of state $51k

Oxford University (UK) tuition: $13k (US dollars)

Riddle me this. Why is college tuition so expensive?

Here is some light reading for you.

Here is some more information. (where the **** is the other $75M going? Definitely not student tuition!!!)

Total Football Expenses            Total Football Revenue
Texas $25,896,203                  $103,813,684

Is the following necessary? No it is not. It's the NCAA that caused this.

Top compensation in University of Texas at Austin
Name                        Title                        Department              Compensation
Charles Rena Strong         Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $5,085,228
Stephen W. Patterson        Athletic Director   Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,642,000
August E. Garrido           Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,202,500
Shaka Smart                 Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,134,840
Vance J. Bedford            Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $820,000
S. Claiborne Johnston       Dean                Dell Medical School              $708,750
Karen Aston                 Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $701,813
Steven Shawn Watson         Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $650,000
William C. Powers           Professor           School Of Law                    $601,342
Gregory Joe Wickline        Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $595,000

 

[erod]

I think you live in a box because the EU provides a **** load more for EU people than the US provides for the US people. The US is the country that has the Student Loan Debt Crisis.

University of Texas Austin tuition. (in state) $26k, out of state $51k

Oxford University (UK) tuition: $13k (US dollars)

Riddle me this. Why is college tuition so expensive?

Here is some light reading for you.

Here is some more information. (where the **** is the other $75M going? Definitely not student tuition!!!)

Total Football Expenses            Total Football Revenue
Texas $25,896,203                  $103,813,684

Is the following necessary? No it is not. It's the NCAA that caused this.

Top compensation in University of Texas at Austin
Name                        Title                        Department              Compensation
Charles Rena Strong         Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $5,085,228
Stephen W. Patterson        Athletic Director   Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,642,000
August E. Garrido           Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,202,500
Shaka Smart                 Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $1,134,840
Vance J. Bedford            Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $820,000
S. Claiborne Johnston       Dean                Dell Medical School              $708,750
Karen Aston                 Head Coach          Intercollegiate Athletics        $701,813
Steven Shawn Watson         Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $650,000
William C. Powers           Professor           School Of Law                    $601,342
Gregory Joe Wickline        Assistant Coach     Intercollegiate Athletics        $595,000

And for that cheap education, you get to live in 800 glorious square feet, have almost no chance to acquire wealth, and be completely dependent militarily on the US.

 

[yimyammer]

Of course they should lose their eligibility.

Otherwise, most players will just declare themselves eligible for the draft every year.

What's next? They don't like where they are drafted, or what round, and they decide to just stay in school?

Slippery slope.

so what if they do this? what would it matter?

It would only add one extra year where they could declare, not get drafted and return to college.

Whats the downside here? Who is harmed?

 

[irishline]

I think you live in a box because the EU provides a **** load more for EU people than the US provides for the US people. The US is the country that has the Student Loan Debt Crisis.

University of Texas Austin tuition. (in state) $26k, out of state $51k

Oxford University (UK) tuition: $13k (US dollars)

Riddle me this. Why is college tuition so expensive?[/code]

The average professor at the University of Texas Austin makes $183,830 a year (twice the national average). There were 3,090 of them last fall. That $568,034,700 salary somewhat dwarfs the 13 million in your list and I am fairly sure it doesn't pull in the revenue from events either.

(by the way that 13 million in your list equals less than $26 per enrolled student - there were 50,950 of them this year - not sure that effects that 26k in state tuition much)

By contrast the highest paid professor level at Oxford (not average) makes $95,243.15 a year before taxes (this of course is after the mandatory $9,848.16 National Insurance Fee and the $15,239.31 National Pension Program Fee the University pays the UK government).

There are many factors as to why tuition is higher in the US. The cost of a sports program is a small part of it.

http://faculty-salaries.startclass.com/l/12687/The-University-of-Texas-at-Austin

https://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/finance/epp/payroll/scales/academicsalaryscales/acscales2016a/

 

[erod]

so what if they do this? what would it matter?

It would only add one extra year where they could declare, not get drafted and return to college.

Whats the downside here? Who is harmed?

So Dallas drafts a guy in the 4th round, and he's mad he didn't get drafted in the 2nd (loss of money), and goes back to school.

Dallas ends up with no 4th round pick.

 

[speedkilz88]

An easy way for it to work is if the underclassman that have declared aren't taken on the first two days of the draft then all their names are withdrawn from the draft. I guess they could have a separate hardship designation for those that don't want to go back regardless and stay eligible for the whole draft and udfa.

 

[yimyammer]

So Dallas drafts a guy in the 4th round, and he's mad he didn't get drafted in the 2nd (loss of money), and goes back to school.

Dallas ends up with no 4th round pick.

Maybe I didn't read the post correctly. I thought the issue being discussed was if the player went undrafted, then he had the option to return to college. I don't see a problem with that but I do see a problem with your scenario and that obviously cannot be allowed to happen.

 

[csirl]

You're drunk. Go look at the tuition in Europe (ie, no NCAA and sports control) and compare it to the tuition in the US.

Tuition in Europe is free, including in private and Ivy League standard universities.

 

[csirl]

And for that cheap education, you get to live in 800 glorious square feet, have almost no chance to acquire wealth, and be completely dependent militarily on the US.

Average income in a lot of European countries is higher than U.S. .You also don't have the large scale third world poverty you see in the bad parts of many U.S. cities. Also social mobility is easier - getting elected isn't about deep pockets.

 

[DallasEast]

Maybe I didn't read the post correctly. I thought the issue being discussed was if the player went undrafted, then he had the option to return to college. I don't see a problem with that but I do see a problem with your scenario and that obviously cannot be allowed to happen.

You didn't read it incorrectly. Heck, it's in the title of the thread.

 

[Stryker44]

Yes - they betrayed their schools.