SI Conor Orr: Cowboys win over the Eagles impressive

[CowboyRoy]

One could make the argument that Hurts would have committed fewer turnovers, which was the key factor in the Cowboy’s victory.

Huts would have ran all over our defense.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

It's always the same thing from commentators when Dallas beats a good team...excuses and excuses for the most part. They all picked Dallas to lose pre game and when we win they say we should've beat that team without their qb. It's comical.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Armstrong and Parsons is dinged up

Also missing Brown and Lewis.

 

[Dakota]

I agree......Hurts or no Hurts.
BTW....he doesn't play defense

He missed the part about 4 turnivers within the 40 and one pic 6 by them. Net difference of 13 pounts. Do we still win without the turnovers? Maybe.

 

[Dakota]

So what’s changed since last season? We’re still consistently inconsistent. Fans forget everything after a win..it’s a fascinating phenomenon. No way Dallas wins in Philly playing like that.

Don't say that maybe Philly will have 8 turnovers. Keep it positive.

 

[mmohican29]

I am really struggling with this Hurts was hurt line of thinking. The game would have been different but I don't see how it makes a difference in the outcome of the game. Minshew threw for 355 yards. The Eagles never punted. How could Hurts have done better? Would he have thrown less than 2 INTs? He threw 2 the week before.

The key is the way the Cowboys moved the football. I suspect that if Hurts played, the Eagles would have run the ball more. They would have taken more time off the clock and lowered the score of the game some. The Cowboys played the Eagles with Hurts at QB earlier in the season and held them to 268 total yards! That's 85 yards less than Minshew threw for. I am not suggesting that Minshew is as good as Hurts, but Minshew had a great game for him and the question is could Hurts have done better? I don't think so.

After the first game, we all talked about Dak being out of the game, but the sports nation at large kind of ignored that. I don't remember much being said about if Dak had played the outcome would have been different. I remember thinking it, but the media glossed over it.

The point is, it is impossible to say the outcome would have been different if Hurts played. The game may have been played differently but the outcome might have been the same. The Eagles offense put up 26 points the first time they played and 27 the last time. Hurts threw for all of 132 yards in the first game.

Having said that, the Cowboys pass defense was just awful. They gave up too many easy throws to the Eagles, just like they gave up too many easy throws to the Jags. It has become a trend lately. I know they are down two starting CBs, but it is not just missing Brown and Lewis. Diggs have been off his game lately too.

I said the same. Hurts absence worked to their advantage. His presence would have slowed down the game significantly and given the Defense more opportunity 3rd and short/3rd and 4-5, for stops.

Philly could not stop Dallas @ all with a fully healthy Defense (- the nickel CB who wasn't faring any better).

If we play again and even more aggressively, we might hang 50 on them if they turn it over more than 2x.

 

[phildadon86]

I loved the win but the fact of the matter is that the other team didn’t have their player who is a front runner for the league MVP. The impressive part was definitely hanging 40 on them.

Ok I’ll play.

if you look at Daks numbers against Philly. Him missing the first game is a fair trade. Dak has owned Philly since 2019. Hasnt lost to the nfc east in 19 straight starts. So while the eagles missing hurts is obviously huge. That vaunted offense only managed 27 points against the Dallas defense when they were healthy. Dak wins that game too. With hurts in. Just looking at his overall PPG. Cowboys offense scored 40 on their defense missing Maddox. I’m so sick of Philly getting the excuse and Dallas missing half their defense doesn’t get the same treatment.

 

[nate dizzle]

He missed the part about 4 turnivers within the 40 and one pic 6 by them. Net difference of 13 pounts. Do we still win without the turnovers? Maybe.

No, we wouldn't have won without the 4 turnovers.

 

[plymkr]

No, we wouldn't have won without the 4 turnovers.

One problem with that statement. We forced 3 of those turnovers. It's not like they hiked it and then handed our defense the ball. Of the 4 TOs
1. Bland wrestled the ball away from WR. It was a good pass and Bland wanted it more.
2. Kearse made a great play on the ball and that ball was thrown well. Kearse just made the play.
3. Parsons got penetration, blew the play up and Carlos hit the ball forcing the fumble.
4. This one I'll give you. QB botched handoff to RB that Kearse picked up. That was gift.

I agree we don't win if all the TOs were gifts. But 3 of the 4 was our defense took it away and not a mistake by the Eagles' offense. So IMO we created a chance to win by literally taking the ball away. I feel you give the defense, and the whole team, credit for that as opposed to using the TOs to minimize the win.

 

[nate dizzle]

One problem with that statement. We forced 3 of those turnovers. It's not like they hiked it and then handed our defense the ball. Of the 4 TOs
1. Bland wrestled the ball away from WR. It was a good pass and Bland wanted it more.
2. Kearse made a great play on the ball and that ball was thrown well. Kearse just made the play.
3. Parsons got penetration, blew the play up and Carlos hit the ball forcing the fumble.
4. This one I'll give you. QB botched handoff to RB that Kearse picked up. That was gift.

I agree we don't win if all the TOs were gifts. But 3 of the 4 was our defense took it away and not a mistake by the Eagles' offense. So IMO we created a chance to win by literally taking the ball away. I feel you give the defense, and the whole team, credit for that as opposed to using the TOs to minimize the win.

I'm not using the TOs to minimize anything, or saying they were gifts? Just that we wouldn't have won the game without them.

 

[plymkr]

I'm not using the TOs to minimize anything, or saying they were gifts? Just that we wouldn't have won the game without them.

Ok and I agree with you. We would have lost without our defense making 3 big plays to keep us in the game. So yes, I completely agree with what you're saying. After the Dak pick 6 our whole team focused up and played better, and with playing better our defense got TOs and Dak was on point. One thing I'm excited about is how Dak, and the rest the team, responded after spotting them a 10 point lead.

 

[BourbonBalz]

What does Conor Orr know that I don’t? Serious question.

That game was sloppy as all heck and we barely eeked out a home win despite getting 4 turnovers against their backup QB.

Glad we won but the game wasn’t encouraging or all that impressive. There were some impressive individual performances.

 

[Praxit]

..if you noticed. Dallas D did get to Minchy.

He either made quick play or chucked it to sideline.

I saw at least 3 blitzes get there, but players were on wrong angles. So he, scooted out.

 

[Kevinicus]

Ok I’ll play.

if you look at Daks numbers against Philly. Him missing the first game is a fair trade. Dak has owned Philly since 2019. Hasnt lost to the nfc east in 10 straight starts. So while the eagles missing hurts is obviously huge. That vaunted offense only managed 27 points against the Dallas defense when they were healthy. Dak wins that game too. With hurts in. Just looking at his overall PPG. Cowboys offense scored 40 on their defense missing Maddox. I’m so sick of Philly getting the excuse and Dallas missing half their defense doesn’t get the same treatment.

FIFY

 

[Hawkeye19]

Dallas exposed the Philly D. That is the story.

Should we face them again, they will take solace that they will have Hurts back (who we beat twice last year)— but how exactly are they planning on fixing a D that just got destroyed AFTER Dak spotted them a gift pick 6?

 

[phildadon86]

FIFY

I thought I saw somewhere 19. My bad.

 

[ESisback]

I loved the win but the fact of the matter is that the other team didn’t have their player who is a front runner for the league MVP. The impressive part was definitely hanging 40 on them.

And Dallas didn’t have their leading tackler, LVE. They also didn’t have Hankins (DT), Sam Williams (DE), and their day one starting DBs Lewis and Brown! It also didn’t help that star CB Diggs was recovering from the flu. None of this was mentioned by the pundits.

 

[Cas2800]

Eagles fans didn't discount their win against the Cowboys earlier this year when they beat us with our back up.

 

[Kevinicus]

I thought I saw somewhere 19. My bad.

Almost. Looked like 19-1 if I counted right.
Loss was in the middle. The Eagles game in late 2019.

 

[phildadon86]

Almost. Looked like 19-1 if I counted right.
Loss was in the middle. The Eagles game in late 2019.

Still a pretty amazing record even if you hate the guy lol.