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he doesn't need to do a 360 and turn into a Bill Parcells', fire-breather, re-incarnate, all he has to do is have the team go back to fundamentals and stress those in practice, which includes hitting, but also such things as formations, I mean how many times were we/Witten called for illegal shifts? quite a few times, also better communication among the D and O players, too many times they were confused heading from the snap, and plays were coming in too late

I think what got Wade into trouble last year was largely allowing the players to police themselves, and no group assembled and enabled by Jerry Jones can be allowed to do that

in the end, all Wade has to do is lean into his players a little more and start coaching, the talent is there

giving Jason Garrett a swift kick in the *** probably can't hurt either
 

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iRoot4Losers;2547630 said:
he doesn't need to do a 360 and turn into a Bill Parcells', fire-breather, re-incarnate, all he has to do is have the team go back to fundamentals and stress those in practice, which includes hitting, but also such things as formations, I mean how many times were we/Witten called for illegal shifts? quite a few times, also better communication among the D and O players, too many times they were confused heading from the snap, and plays were coming in too late

I think what got Wade into trouble last year was largely allowing the players to police themselves, and no group assembled and enabled by Jerry Jones can be allowed to do that

in the end, all Wade has to do is lean into his players a little more and start coaching, the talent is there

giving Jason Garrett a swift kick in the *** probably can't hurt either
What you say is true, but the biggest problem Wade faces to me is that I don't believe the players have once ounce of respect for him. He may change his way of doing things, but can Wade ever regain the players respect (if he ever had it to begn with)?
 

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windward;2547729 said:
Good post, Bob.
He really disappoints me when he does that. I have more fun giving him crap than I do praising him.
 

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iRoot4Losers;2547630 said:
he doesn't need to do a 360 and turn into a Bill Parcells', fire-breather, re-incarnate, all he has to do is have the team go back to fundamentals and stress those in practice, which includes hitting, but also such things as formations, I mean how many times were we/Witten called for illegal shifts? quite a few times, also better communication among the D and O players, too many times they were confused heading from the snap, and plays were coming in too late

I think what got Wade into trouble last year was largely allowing the players to police themselves, and no group assembled and enabled by Jerry Jones can be allowed to do that

in the end, all Wade has to do is lean into his players a little more and start coaching, the talent is there

giving Jason Garrett a swift kick in the *** probably can't hurt either


we need a "not holding my breath" emoticon
 

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The problem with Wade is just like Chris Collinsworth said, the players don't care what Wade thinks, and when he says something they wonder what Jerry thinks. Brady James was practically laughing at Wade's new approach. Wade is just there so Jerry can stick his hand up his butt and wiggle him around whatever way he wants. And the players to the fans know that Wade is just a puppet.
 

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I agree with what you're saying, but....





DWhite Fan;2547954 said:
What you say is true, but the biggest problem Wade faces to me is that I don't believe the players have once ounce of respect for him. He may change his way of doing things, but can Wade ever regain the players respect (if he ever had it to begn with)?
^^^^
I agree with him even more.
 

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Let those players not care...and leave them at home. Problem solved.
 

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I really do think all of the yelling and screaming that some coaches do is entirely overrated. I think the major issue is like what was said he allowed his players to police themselves. In essence, he treated them as if they were consummate mature professionals.

He needs to set requirements for film study sessions. He needs to give exams constantly on gameplans as well as the gamebooks. If they don't meet these requirements then he needs to ride their ***** a la Garrett on Bennett during training camp. You don't need to yell at someone to keep at their throat but you do need to keep on them time after time after time.

He needs to not stop with the players though. He needs to keep his thumb on his assistant coaches as well. Similar to what a principal does he needs to constantly be up on what they are focusing on in meetings and in parctice and if he doesn't like something assert his authority.

I the end. I get the impression that there was a lot of nonchalant attitude from the coaches concernign the players thinking they would do the work without being monitored. They were wrong. In addition, the hands on approach also makes them aware more quickly of when issues are cropping up between the players. When yoiur asking them whats going on all the time things like that have a habit of cropping up. Angry people seldom keep their peace for long. Although the ones that do are the ones you need to worry about.

In the end its a lot more work for the coaching staff. That is a good thing.
 

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Hostile;2547960 said:
He really disappoints me when he does that. I have more fun giving him crap than I do praising him.

I'm like the Lions

FuzzyLumpkins;2548143 said:
I really do think all of the yelling and screaming that some coaches do is entirely overrated. I think the major issue is like what was said he allowed his players to police themselves. In essence, he treated them as if they were consummate mature professionals.

He needs to set requirements for film study sessions. He needs to give exams constantly on gameplans as well as the gamebooks. If they don't meet these requirements then he needs to ride their ***** a la Garrett on Bennett during training camp. You don't need to yell at someone to keep at their throat but you do need to keep on them time after time after time.

He needs to not stop with the players though. He needs to keep his thumb on his assistant coaches as well. Similar to what a principal does he needs to constantly be up on what they are focusing on in meetings and in parctice and if he doesn't like something assert his authority.

I the end. I get the impression that there was a lot of nonchalant attitude from the coaches concernign the players thinking they would do the work without being monitored. They were wrong. In addition, the hands on approach also makes them aware more quickly of when issues are cropping up between the players. When yoiur asking them whats going on all the time things like that have a habit of cropping up. Angry people seldom keep their peace for long. Although the ones that do are the ones you need to worry about.

In the end its a lot more work for the coaching staff. That is a good thing.

thank you fuzzy

it just seemed to me like Wade was content to just ride it out and let everything sort itself out, but at least he decided to take an active role in calling the D, albeit a year and a half too late

next year, hopefully, he gets the whole part about coaching a team down, and starts doing it

it's our only hope, it may drive away some players, but as Newman's comments point out, it's alot that want it
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2548143 said:
I really do think all of the yelling and screaming that some coaches do is entirely overrated.


Not really. Parcells has won 2 Super Bowls and been to 3. Jimmy got the Boys some Super Bowls. Belichick has been to 4 and won 3. Shanahan has 2 Super Bowls wins to his name. How many Super Bowls has Captain Cream Puff lead a team to?
 

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Batman;2548150 said:
Not really. Parcells has won 2 Super Bowls and been to 3. Jimmy got the Boys some Super Bowls. Belichick has been to 4 and won 3. Shanahan has 2 Super Bowls wins to his name. How many Super Bowls has Captain Cream Puff lead a team to?
Parcells, Jimmy, and Shahan havent sniffed any SBs during this era.


The only name in that list that matters is Belichick and their players arent like our players. Their locker room isnt like our locker room. The guy won a SB in his second year, so nobody's gonna challenge him. Wade couldnt even get this team into the playoffs in his second year after being the #1 seed last year.
 

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since Wade is remaining as HC don't count on any postseason success next season.
 

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Good post Bob. Without a doubt the first step is to take practice more seriously. Secondly, I'd like to see a little more clarity in the coaching staff, meaning cleaning up people's roles. I don't think Garrett should be given so much free reign and what exactly does Stewart do again?

One of the biggest tasks Wade has, though, is getting this team to play like a team. When essentially every member of the team admits they're lacking cohesion and stuff, you know it's a problem.

Remember Bradie saying at the start of the season how they couldn't win like the Patriots? How they couldn't win in such a team manner, that they'd have to find their own road? That quote still haunts me. That MUST change next season.

Talent is nice, but it rarely wins in sports. Teamwork, camaraderie, understanding your roles -- all that is more important in bulk. Sure, you need the superstar here and there perhaps, but I'm not convinced we have the guys willing to do the dirty work around the stars. Seems like everyone thinks they're a star and expects to be treated as such; almost like the Dream Team of years past.
 

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Batman;2548150 said:
Not really. Parcells has won 2 Super Bowls and been to 3. Jimmy got the Boys some Super Bowls. Belichick has been to 4 and won 3. Shanahan has 2 Super Bowls wins to his name. How many Super Bowls has Captain Cream Puff lead a team to?

Belichek isn't a yeller. Jimmy hasn't done a damn thing without Jerry and Parcells well just think us in 2004.

You don't have to yell at someone to hold them accountable.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2548188 said:
Belichek isn't a yeller. Jimmy hasn't done a damn thing without Jerry and Parcells well just think us in 2004.

You don't have to yell at someone to hold them accountable.

I agree the yelling is overrated. Dungy isn't really a yeller and outside of Belichick, there's not really someone that exudes winning in today's game as much as he does.

I think Wade's problem isn't that he doesn't yell -- it's that whether yelling or not, this team has all the marks of a team that lacks accountability, attention to detail, focus and preparation.

So, whatever it takes to get those things, Wade must change in some form or fashion to make it possible. Yelling, in and of itself, won't get it done. But I think his whole coaching philosophy and what he emphasizes is going to have be reshuffled.
 

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Wade is just a guy who lets you do your thing until you **** up

that's easy to get 'round
 

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Bob, fuzzy, and theo all agree?

Hell hath frozen over.
 
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