Singleton/Carpenter/Burnett VS Ellis

[TtownCowboy]

So how'd everybody think our LBer by committee did w/out Ellis? Do we play the same game on DFense w/Ellis in or are we more 5-2-4 w/Ellis and Ware straight blitzing vs. scheme blitzes from any and everywhere? If they keep this defensive philosophy w/Ellis gone then it may be a blessing in disguise that he is gone. Hate me if you want to but our D looked more lights out yesterday than they ever have w/him in. Roast away.

 

[btcutter]

So how'd everybody think our LBer by committee did w/out Ellis? Do we play the same game on DFense w/Ellis in or are we more 5-2-4 w/Ellis and Ware straight blitzing vs. scheme blitzes from any and everywhere? If they keep this defensive philosophy w/Ellis gone then it may be a blessing in disguise that he is gone. Hate me if you want to but our D looked more lights out yesterday than they ever have w/him in. Roast away.

I think we matched up much better with the Colts when Al/Carp/Burnett is in. Ellis would have been exploited with their multiple WR formations. Nevertheless, Ellis is still very valuable at passrushing and generate heat on QB.

 

[Clove]

I thought Hatcher was the best overall pass rusher on the field yesterday. He got in Manning's face numerous times. I actually thought Hatcher brings more pressure consistantly than Ellis or Ware, he just can't close the deal.

 

[TtownCowboy]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

 

[Clove]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

I really like Ellis and everything he's about. But because he's such a warm person and a solid DE, people don't want to think that we can actually get better in that area.

He is the best pass rusher, but not the most consistant. Ware is the most explosive passrusher. Hatcher brings something serious to the table and I want to be the first to get on his bandwagon.

I also think that Carpenter and Burnett are going to be huge huge huge. Carpenter is a strong person, and just has this knack for being involoved in the play as does Ayodele.

 

[Future]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

I think we definitely are. He held the defense back with his inability to play in space. Now having that a guy opposite from ware who can play in space, we can move people around and change things up.

Although I like Ellis, and think he will be missed in the nickel, we are better off without him. He just does not fit in the 3-4.

 

[Doomsday101]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

I felt using the roations would help Dallas overcome the loss of Ellis but there was nothing good about losing a player like Ellis.

 

[ZeroClub]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

The defense might have been better off yesterday, but I think it is too early to tell about the rest of the season.

The often mentioned weakness of the 3-4 scheme is in its ability to stop the power running game. Ellis combats this weakness. Because the Colts aren't schemed to exploit the weakness, the Cowboys weren't in the position to miss Eliis.

But when the Cowboys face a more powerful running team, it could be a different story. I hope not. I like the speed that the other guys bring. But we need to see a few more games before we know, IMO.

 

[TtownCowboy]

I felt using the roations would help Dallas overcome the loss of Ellis but there was nothing good about losing a player like Ellis.

It may still be a little early to tell, but we can agree to disagree. We looked better getting pressure on the QBack yesterday than we have all year, and this is w/out Ellis in. Yesterday we were supposed to get spanked by Peyton and company, per some on this board, because of the loss of Ellis' pass rush. I believe we actually played the above better w/out him.

 

[FLcowboy]

So how'd everybody think our LBer by committee did w/out Ellis? Do we play the same game on DFense w/Ellis in or are we more 5-2-4 w/Ellis and Ware straight blitzing vs. scheme blitzes from any and everywhere? If they keep this defensive philosophy w/Ellis gone then it may be a blessing in disguise that he is gone. Hate me if you want to but our D looked more lights out yesterday than they ever have w/him in. Roast away.

It's been stated on other threads that the Defense petitioned the coaches to let them play more aggressively. The coaches agreed to try it. Now, maybe the coaches didn't let them play aggressively when Wllis was in there because he might give up the big play, and with Burnett, Carpernter, and Singleton playing to their strengths, they pretty much removed the downside. Just a thought.

 

[TtownCowboy]

It's been stated on other threads that the Defense petitioned the coaches to let them play more aggressively. The coaches agreed to try it. Now, maybe the coaches didn't let them play aggressively when Wllis was in there because he might give up the big play, and with Burnett, Carpernter, and Singleton playing to their strengths, they pretty much removed the downside. Just a thought.

I heard the same, just not sure how true. If that is the case they need to let them play like that the rest of the season and all game long. IMHO the defense plays better aggressive and attacking than they do in protect mode.

 

[Doomsday101]

It may still be a little early to tell, but we can agree to disagree. We looked better getting pressure on the QBack yesterday than we have all year, and this is w/out Ellis in. Yesterday we were supposed to get spanked by Peyton and company, per some on this board, because of the loss of Ellis' pass rush. I believe we actually played the above better w/out him.

I was not one who made any such claim but I do know that any time a team loses a member of the starting unit it is not a good thing for the team we are better with a guy like Ellis on the team than without him. Dallas was able to rotate guys in and they did a great job but your post comes off as if Ellis was somehow the problem and I don't think that was the case at all.

 

[mmurray21]

Singleton was great and Burnett played well again. I think Carpenter is a liability against the run and doesn't make enough plays in the passing game to get on the field. I don't think he was even on the field in the 4th Quarter when the Colts were trying to get it going.

 

[Jon88]

It just seems we had a lot of "the sky is falling" types around here after the Ellis injury, and I'm wondering if we're actually better off now that he's off the field. Nothing against Ellis, I like him and all.

I agree. It was like nuclear bombs hit every major city in the US. He was a great pass rusher, but man was he slow in the open field. We'll be fine.

 

[TtownCowboy]

I was not one who made any such claim but I do know that any time a team loses a member of the starting unit it is not a good thing for the team we are better with a guy like Ellis on the team than without him. Dallas was able to rotate guys in and they did a great job but your post comes off as if Ellis was somehow the problem and I don't think that was the case at all.

This is where we disagree. I think we may actually be better rotating guys in and out as opposed to Ellis being in so much. I do believe he's been a liability in at OLB because of it being a new position for him. I liken it to Bledsoe vs Romo starting. A lot of people on this board, many in the media, and possibly our owner were saying by going w/Romo we were giving up the season. I didn't agree w/that then and I believe we may end up better in all areas of LBer play w/Ellis not playing now. IMHO

 

[Doomsday101]

This is where we disagree. I think we may actually be better rotating guys in and out as opposed to Ellis being in so much. I do believe he's been a liability in at OLB because of it being a new position for him. I liken it to Bledsoe vs Romo starting. A lot of people on this board, many in the media, and possibly our owner were saying by going w/Romo we were giving up the season. I didn't agree w/that then and I believe we may end up better in all areas of LBer play w/Ellis not playing now. IMHO

Losing a player is not a good thing and having Ellis as part of the rotation would only make us stronger not weaker and would add we only got 1 sack from that position which was from Jay Ratliff when we lined up in the 4-3. I think Ellis along with those other players is better than without Ellis

 

[TtownCowboy]

Losing a player is not a good thing and having Ellis as part of the rotation would only make us stronger not weaker and would add we only got 1 sack from that position which was from Jay Ratliff when we lined up in the 4-3. I think Ellis along with those other players is better than without Ellis

So you don't think our Defense put more pressure on the QB yesterday than we normally do? Especially a QB that was supposed to pick us apart. I guess I just see something different. It seemed our D got more pressure and looked better yesterday than it has all year. Now I'm not blaming our defensive woes on Ellis. Maybe they gameplanned different w/Ellis out. If that is the case the only way we play better w/Ellis in is if they game plan the way they did yesterday. Do you think, and this was in the original post that Dallas would have played the same way ie: schemes/blitzing had Ellis been in. I don't think they would have. I think we would have played a lot of 5-2-4 not trying so much to disguise our blitzes and coverages as we did w/him out. We'd have rushed Ellis and Ware as we have for the most part all year. I hate Ellis got hurt but I still believe he's been a liability in the OLB position.